What kind of door lock is the most secure against buglery?

[justpassnthru]

I meant the kind of "bar" used on the inside to prevent the door from being swung inward.

Like this:

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Granted, that doesn't help you when you're at work and such, but they'll give you more time when you ARE home to grab some tools to "deal" with the situation.

I tried both of those on a garage door, 3 years ago! If someone wants in bad enough, they'll get in. The garage door was kicked and the door jambs splintered (offset locks-etc.) and my little dog, ultimately is what chased the intruders off.

The contractor looked at the door and said, "It was only hanging on by a screw hinge; I wonder why they stopped?" My Little Dog was barking toward the garage, the night before!

Surveillance camera's seem to be the only thing that really works, for me! Those aren't even tamper proof. jpt

 

[supermanlives]

my pad in city has steel security door that opens outward. solid wooden front door and frame is extra strong. and bigass german shepard waiting to greet ya. and a great neighbor ex marine with several ak47s modified. great guy

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I'm gonna have to agree with h.s.

 

[Mister_D]

I'm gonna have to agree with h.s.
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Going to have to third this Have a couple of these in my yard, and even my friends don't come in unless I'm there.

Beautiful pups you have there hash

 

[username474]

Have you tried looking for hurricane doors/shutters? They normally are mounted on the outside of the house, but it seems like they could be adapted to mount on the interior.

Yeah that's the closest thing I have found, and what I am going to try to work with.

 

[username474]

I meant the kind of "bar" used on the inside to prevent the door from being swung inward.

Like this:

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Granted, that doesn't help you when you're at work and such, but they'll give you more time when you ARE home to grab some tools to "deal" with the situation.

I don't know why no is making anything like your top picture that
can open and close remotely after you have left house. One on the top and bottom would make it kick/ram proof.

 

[redlaser]

As others have said security measures really only slow down a determined thief. And some will move on to other targets if its too much work, and some will use power tools like foomar mentioned. I do landscape work and some of my customers have low seven figure homes, all with some sort of alarm systems. One lady was telling me how she was surprised that someone had cut a 14-16 inch hole through her outside wall into her living room in the back of their house while they were out of town. The hole was cut a few inches under a window and whoever cut it hit a wire going to the window, apparently setting off the alarm. Not sure what happened after that, whether the cops got them or what, I'm guessing not or she would have said.

 

[the gnome]

I went thu the belsaw home school of locksmithing courses when i was s teenager.....most cylinder locks are easily picked quickly with a *picking gun type of tool*,
for the better cylinder locks a screw gun with a 3/8" bit, drill out the cylinder and its done.
buying time as said before is what your doing with most any lock/security system.
I live in florida... hurricane alley and we have the roll down shutters.
these are what I would use as *one of several* components of security.
they can easily be modified against forced entry but again,
any type of small circular saw with a metal blade I will get through fairly quick.
but it would be a very noisy process.


a dog as said is one of the best,
but even they can be put down easily and quietly.
a friend had a pit bull and was going to crop his ears and tail,
1/2 a 10mg valium, to ease the dog killed him it in less than 20 minutes.
a tranquilizer gun will do it,
but you say who the heck has one of those?
if the intruder knows there's $20K for the taking....
in a big percentage of burglaries, the thief knows what he's after.
if they know they can grab $20K in less than 5minutes it's pretty much a done deal.
the random thieves are easily put off but sturdy time consuming, noisy type of situations as are most thieves.

multi types of layered of security will work the best imo, do
dogs, sturdy doors(like a fire door mentioned earlier) with hardened steel type of bar locking systems.
the more time and noise involved with a break in is what thieves don't like.
if the dogs are unseen behind a door, that's a good one.

what I'd like to do, on along with setting up multiple noisy/time consuming breakin features is having signs of beware of the Dogs and set up an audio system set to a noise type sensor that actives a recorded loop of big, bad sounding dogs snarling, barking like they want your BLOOD lol.

either that or have your grow next to the po po station

 

[MJBadger]

a friend had a pit bull and was going to crop his ears and tail,
1/2 a 10mg valium, to ease the dog killed him it in less than 20 minutes

I would like to throw the bastard over the fence with them Dobies .

I know a grow house in UK , he had one rip then invested in interior steel shutters heavy outward facing door & reinforced mesh panels across all downstairs windows inside . He`s had crowbar marks on the door frame since while he was away for a day but no-one got in .

 

[the gnome]

I would like to throw the bastard over the fence with them Dobies .

? why...?
he loved the dog and didn't want the cropping to hurt as much, I
mean i probably would have done it too.
at the time I couldn't believe only 5 mg of V killed the dog but hey.
he held the dog for over an hour when left.
his wife said it was a long time before he went to get the shovel
he felt rotten about it for a long time

 

[RonSmooth]

? why...?
he loved the dog and didn't want the cropping to hurt as much, I
mean i probably would have done in his position.
at the time I couldn't believe only 5 mg of V killed the dog but hey.
he held the dog for over an hour then left.
his wife said it was a long time before he went to get the shovel
he felt rotten about it for a long time

Why crop the dogs ears in the first place? For the look?

Why did he feel the need to give the dog valium? Was he going to do it himself? Why not let the vet give it something?

He either didn't really love the dog or he lacks the intelligence required to be a good dog owner.

Sorry. Just hate seeing shelters filled with pitbulls that people got as an accessory and ditched it when they found out they actually had to care for it. Cropped ears, heavy metal chain collars etc...

But if I had to get by dogs, I would drug the dogs. A benzo or Z med stuffed in something. Cant imagine any dog not grabbing a nice piece of raw meat. I would never needlessly harm a dog or any animal or rob anyone. I would eat a piece of meat with a xanax in it though!

If you had to get through a heavy security door I think any guard dog worth anything would be waiting for you. And not in the mood to see what you have to offer before it rips your jugular vein out.

 

[the gnome]

the kid made a mistake
we were both kids at the time in our late teens.
HE made the mistake and HE paid dearly for it.
not near enough for some tho eh.
the only positive thing I can see now is he didn't have friends like some peeps.

christ i can't believe where this has gone
get back to locks and doors....
hope my suggestions helped someone and who ever can keep up on the lowlife that accidently killed his dog...


call peta while your at it

 

[RonSmooth]

the kid made a mistake
we were both kids at the time in our late teens.
HE made the mistake and HE paid dearly for it.
not near enough for some tho eh.
the only positive thing I can see now is he didn't have friends like some peeps.

christ i can't believe where this has gone
get back to locks and doors....
hope my suggestions helped someone and who ever can keep up on the lowlife that accidently killed his dog...


call peta while your at it

You brought it up.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Make your door so it opens outside impossible to kick in, and did anyone mention MAgnetic locks?

Peace

 

[foomar]

Replaced many locks and doors as a business , usually after a break in or amateur attempt.

From experience any kind of rimlock is useless , a quality 5/7 lever double throw mortise deadlock resists best on a traditional door.

The break point was where the hinges or catchplate were fixed to a timber frame , often softwood , which was inherently weak and unsupported.


To be serious you need a steel frame bolted and bonded to the brick structure , more work on timberframe builds.

Steel door with welded hinges and dogging bolts , multiple locking lugs , German lockset , faced with wood to blend in.

UK price is from around £1000 fitted for this type , with some DIY skills , woodworking tools and a welder you can do it for half that or less.

If it does not matter what it looks like , standard factory steel doors and frames are very strong and relatively cheap , usually a dimpled powdercoat finish that's a bit too industrial for some settings , but the available sizes do not match all domestic door openings.




Definitely worth a little hassle and cost to reinforce what you already have , dogging bolts to backup the hinges , add another hinge if only two in place , add extra and deeper frame fixings, reinforce inside the frame with angle iron around the lock area to floor , fit a steel repair set before the damage , add steel plate or routed in angle iron on back or door to support lock and so on .

 

[supermanlives]

my sign says nevermind the dog ,beware of owner!!!! with a gun pic. lol

 

[AlterEgo860]

Yeah, after reading, I realize locks are at most a 30s delay. But, lock is also the only viable defense when I am not home. Latch, steel bar and all that works when I am inside, not when I am outside.

I wonder what those guys who doesn't live on grow sites do. Pray?

lol security cameras set to motion detection.. with an email and text showing a picture and time stamp .. is number 1 ...

number 2 .. FAKE TVS.. we had 1 up until the other day.. and now we have 2 .. 1 for each floor of the house. people usually don't break in unless they think its empty anyways.. most crooks are pussies..

3 . have the grow hidden.. anything related to the grow hidden..
and locked up .

if u don't talk about growing with anyone.. and don't fuck anyone over.. and don't even speak to scumbags.. u shouldn't have to worry ..

 

[supermanlives]

if theres a guy with a bugle then ya need sound proofing. lol

 

[The OrigF/clred]

i re-inforced a few door frames for the same concerns you've got, and btw, home invasion robberies are on the rise - they'll come in when you're home

best lock i found, in terms of difficulty of picking was a tubular lock (and they make deadbolts using them) - by tubular, think of the lock you see on vending machines

2nd - as others have said, re-inforcing the frame - and as someone posted the hinge side is usually pretty weak. I take a 3/8" diameter Stainless steel bolt, maybe 1.5" length, with 3/4" of it threaded length, cut off the head and using a chop saw to grind the cut end so it's beveled like the bolt on your knob set is. I drill the hinge on the door side (and the door) and thread it into the door side thru the hinge. The hole to accept that beveled end, on the frame hinge side i drilled slightly larger than 3/8" and still had to file some with a round file so the door would close properly - but now it's re-inforced on that side.

One heads up - the break in artists have learned to use a car jack to jack a door frame so it'll spread enough to let the door open. On garage doors, they've learned to pry the center of the garage door, at the top, so they can slip a coat hanger thru and grab the emergency release cord, then they can open the door easily. I screwed a 48" pc of steel plate (a little thicker than duct work sheet) to the top of the garage door, on the inside center, to keep a coat hanger from being to head toward the emergency cord

as someone else also said, i learned a long time ago, that the victims are usually known to the burglar - ie a plumber's helper that came in with his boss on a job, etc or could be a friend of a friend, overhear you say to your bud that you and your wife unit are headed to the xxx concert friday night - bingo, he now knows when you're not going to be home.

you can build a bank vault for a home, but if they really want in, they'll be waiting in the bushes when you come home at night - discretion really is your best defense (and a dog).

fwiw

 

[Smokin Joe]

What kind of door lock is the most secure against buglery?
The kind that is linked to the firing mechanism of a double barrel 12ga