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Is it possible that reality is not what you think?...yes?/no?...lol
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yeah...I understand...but, the thing to grasp is that a he/she only suffers because he/she believes and assumes that it is his/her body.
what makes a human body ours?
...isn't it simply a thought that makes it so?
The thought....this is my body, is the first thought that the human mind actually "imagines" and all other thoughts are based on this thought.
Since everything happens only in our imagination, this thought that we are a body also happened to arise in our imagination.
The problem with most folks, and why they continue to suffer and never be happy for long with anything, is because they are holding on for "dear life" to false beliefs and assumptions.
In what we call the physical world/Universe/Reality, or whatever one wants to call it, there is nothing but IMAGINATION working. This is a fact of our strange existence.
If you take away "imagination" - the world/Universe would vanish!
what makes a human body ours?
...isn't it simply a thought that makes it so?
The thought....this is my body, is the first thought that the human mind actually "imagines" and all other thoughts are based on this thought.
Since everything happens only in our imagination, this thought that we are a body also happened to arise in our imagination.
The problem with most folks, and why they continue to suffer and never be happy for long with anything, is because they are holding on for "dear life" to false beliefs and assumptions.
In what we call the physical world/Universe/Reality, or whatever one wants to call it, there is nothing but IMAGINATION working. This is a fact of our strange existence.
If you take away "imagination" - the world/Universe would vanish!
when you refer to imagination, I guess we should define imagination, so we are on the same page
from wiki (not best source but a start)
Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability to form new images and sensations that are not perceived through sight, hearing, or other senses. Imagination helps make knowledge applicable in solving problems and is fundamental to integrating experience and the learning process[1][2][3][4]
When I think of imagination, I think of problem solving.
A path we embarked some time ago.
At same time, I think this is what drives some people insane, their minds working all the time.
Some people say that through meditation you can leave the problem solving process and delve into simply being.
I am trying to assimilate what you are saying about.... taking away imagination and the universe world would vanish. I don't completely grasp this.
I don't think this is all imagined. I think there might be a big veil around our eyes (I can speak for myself) all the time.
I wonder about entheogens, plants that permit your mind to go elsewhere, and meditation. Other dimensions ? Higher awareness ? I wonder if there is not a way to calm the mind, and having a truer perception of the world. From my perspective, we make our own sense of the world, so yes in a way, we play with the mind and form something with it.
But still, the world exists, and even if we stop living, the world will continue. There are patterns and relations. There are things that make sense I believe, follow a certain logic.
Sure, I believe we have the power to change our thoughts, and through our thoughts changing our perception of the world (and maybe changing our world)
I dunno, to me it feels real, even if I don't feel much
I believe overstimulation might do that to someone
dissociation, don't know what's real anymore
loss of feeling
as for clinging onto dear life
sure man, it's part of the game
self preservance
I know that things can go out of balance though... clinging to a point where you are miserable for exemple
from wiki (not best source but a start)
Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability to form new images and sensations that are not perceived through sight, hearing, or other senses. Imagination helps make knowledge applicable in solving problems and is fundamental to integrating experience and the learning process[1][2][3][4]
When I think of imagination, I think of problem solving.
A path we embarked some time ago.
At same time, I think this is what drives some people insane, their minds working all the time.
Some people say that through meditation you can leave the problem solving process and delve into simply being.
I am trying to assimilate what you are saying about.... taking away imagination and the universe world would vanish. I don't completely grasp this.
I don't think this is all imagined. I think there might be a big veil around our eyes (I can speak for myself) all the time.
I wonder about entheogens, plants that permit your mind to go elsewhere, and meditation. Other dimensions ? Higher awareness ? I wonder if there is not a way to calm the mind, and having a truer perception of the world. From my perspective, we make our own sense of the world, so yes in a way, we play with the mind and form something with it.
But still, the world exists, and even if we stop living, the world will continue. There are patterns and relations. There are things that make sense I believe, follow a certain logic.
Sure, I believe we have the power to change our thoughts, and through our thoughts changing our perception of the world (and maybe changing our world)
I dunno, to me it feels real, even if I don't feel much
I believe overstimulation might do that to someone
dissociation, don't know what's real anymore
loss of feeling
as for clinging onto dear life
sure man, it's part of the game
self preservance
I know that things can go out of balance though... clinging to a point where you are miserable for exemple
"What is the source from which this thought that a body is myself originates?"
most folks ignore contemplating this question
why?
because their mind knows the answer
the source of origin is the mind
it imagined this belief, turned it into an assumption, and then into a rock-hard conviction
this is how the mind gets inside the imagined body and then tries to survive
like in those movies where evil spirits that "possess" other people's bodies...lol
the only thing is that our body is imagined and the mind is trying to live as if it is real
it's not real, and only an image in the imagination of the mind
most folks ignore contemplating this question
why?
because their mind knows the answer
the source of origin is the mind
it imagined this belief, turned it into an assumption, and then into a rock-hard conviction
this is how the mind gets inside the imagined body and then tries to survive
like in those movies where evil spirits that "possess" other people's bodies...lol
the only thing is that our body is imagined and the mind is trying to live as if it is real
it's not real, and only an image in the imagination of the mind
So if it's not your body, who's is it ?
If a body is not your self, then what is your self ?
I wouldn't say that I am just a body, and I would not categorize myself as just my self
we could very well be the same I
I could very well be everything
but for safety measures, I have to protect my own ass
If a body is not your self, then what is your self ?
I wouldn't say that I am just a body, and I would not categorize myself as just my self
we could very well be the same I
I could very well be everything
but for safety measures, I have to protect my own ass
imagination is what the mind imagines, this includes what we call perception, through the so-called 5 senses, plus thoughts, and emotions.
basically everything that is conceptual is created inside what is called the mind through what we're calling imagination
this includes everything that occurs inside and outside the so-called physical body
all these things are imagined, starting with the body itself...obviously
...you do know how our sense work?
this points at the fact that everything occurs in our mind.
the mind continues to work until one becomes conscious of who he really is.
if all your sesnses were taken away, would you perceive anything?
the answer is obvious.
how would you know there would be anything left?
you couldn't know, because the only reason there is something now is because you are perceiving it with your sense.
this is all just simply more imagination, believing that you can do something to change what is...because what is, is never good enough
this is the game the mind loves to play
the trick is not doing...but being
being aware of who and what you really are
the mind's favorite game is to chase happiness in the future
thus leaving one unhappy
but at the same time constantly running after the cheese/happiness
this is why it's really called the rat's race
because all we ever do is run
while being....is'ess
what is doesn't have to run or survive
only what isn't has to try to survive, and will always fail to do so at the end
...like death, in relation to our favorite body
a body is just a body, until the mind imagines and creates a thought that it's "my" body...then all hell breaks loose
false-self is the mind attempting to be "I"
...unsucessfully
true self - I
...the I that actually always exists, and that we are aware of and aware as
so, yes, we could very well be the same I
actually, it is the other way around
...I mean you don't have a problem with not being real in your dreams, do you?
...why would you have a problem not being real in this experience?
it's happening inside your mind, your senses are like cameras delivering data to your mind, and it's using imagination to create this experience
what's wrong with simply facing the truth?
wouldn't you agree that it's better than living like a rat that is constantly chasing one desire after another, never being happy in the long-term with anything and constantly being motivated by fear?
and don't forget that in the end...death
now that is a f*cked up scenario....dont u think?
Since the cause and foundation of all our thoughts is our basic imagination that a body is our "self," or who we "are" - we can destroy all our thoughts only by destroying this basic imagination, and since this basic imagination is an illusion – a mistaken knowledge about what we are – we can destroy it only by carefully contemplating it in order to discover the reality that underlies it.
We cannot kill an imaginary snake by beating it with a stick, but only by scrutinising it carefully in order to discover the reality that underlies it.
Likewise, we cannot destroy our imaginary feeling that we are a body by any means other than keen self-scrutiny or self-attention.
We cannot kill an imaginary snake by beating it with a stick, but only by scrutinising it carefully in order to discover the reality that underlies it.
Likewise, we cannot destroy our imaginary feeling that we are a body by any means other than keen self-scrutiny or self-attention.
they are unifying general relativity theory and quantum mechanics with the follow theory http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=rainbow-gravity-universe-beginning
you can understand the parallel easily if you look at the number system
infinite whole numbers and infinitesimal decimal numbers both experience the infinite within differing constraints, in this way our beings are also mirrored including our consciousness, the consciousness contained within us mirrors the conscious universe.
As this understanding unfolds within us, both individually and socially our perception regarding our own consciousness is changes and if one is intelligent to understand the grand symmetry of it all you can "access" other consciousnesses both general and quantum.
Depending on your body chemistry, brain wiring or drug intake this can take on its own face for each of us.
It is very possible we are the quantum conscious for the universe itself if it is indeed conscious, something I truly believe will be discovered. as will the understanding that we were created in the CONSCIOUS image of the universe the body living the vessel for it that it is to be experienced through
None of this is as fantastic as you may thing and there are already theories that code can be sentient (easily proven) meaning dna could be a program created by the universe to realize life within itself, life being generated by a fractal algorithm contained within dna
its easy to see how the universe in our head can be confused with the mind of the universe we are contained within
you can understand the parallel easily if you look at the number system
infinite whole numbers and infinitesimal decimal numbers both experience the infinite within differing constraints, in this way our beings are also mirrored including our consciousness, the consciousness contained within us mirrors the conscious universe.
As this understanding unfolds within us, both individually and socially our perception regarding our own consciousness is changes and if one is intelligent to understand the grand symmetry of it all you can "access" other consciousnesses both general and quantum.
Depending on your body chemistry, brain wiring or drug intake this can take on its own face for each of us.
It is very possible we are the quantum conscious for the universe itself if it is indeed conscious, something I truly believe will be discovered. as will the understanding that we were created in the CONSCIOUS image of the universe the body living the vessel for it that it is to be experienced through
None of this is as fantastic as you may thing and there are already theories that code can be sentient (easily proven) meaning dna could be a program created by the universe to realize life within itself, life being generated by a fractal algorithm contained within dna
its easy to see how the universe in our head can be confused with the mind of the universe we are contained within
actually, it is the other way around
...I mean you don't have a problem with not being real in your dreams, do you?
...why would you have a problem not being real in this experience?
it's happening inside your mind, your senses are like cameras delivering data to your mind, and it's using imagination to create this experience
what's wrong with simply facing the truth?
wouldn't you agree that it's better than living like a rat that is constantly chasing one desire after another, never being happy in the long-term with anything and constantly being motivated by fear?
and don't forget that in the end...death
now that is a f*cked up scenario....dont u think?
not being real in my dreams ?
I never said I felt I wasn't real in my dreams
some people believe that is where true life is happening
"what's wrong with simply facing the truth ?"
What do you mean ?
why do you say that ? I never said anything about not facing the truth
do you simply mean to cut off the thoughts ? and just be ?
see you also said that in the end.... death
for you death is the end
see, I don't agree with that, I think you are going two ways because, one you say you don't know anything, that it's all imagination, but now you say death = the end
btw I appreciate you taking the time to explain your perceptions/understanding to me
it can be hard to grasp
where did you find this kind of information ?
Interesting Weird.
What really intrigues me is that scientists are slowly but surely moving toward the one truth that has been voiced by many sages for many, many years.
My point is: Absolute consciousness is us and we are it.
Non-dual self-consciousness "I am" is the fundamental substance from which all distinctions are created.
Or another way of saying it, is that consciousness is aware "as" everything.
we are because but we aren't because we contain a mind that creates and houses a consciousness but we have the freewill to take ownership of it, or not
mini mes if you would
u got that right, and that's what this reality we are perceiving is - FICTION.
do you believe you are real in your dreams? or do you believe you are real here and now as the person you believe yourself to be? Or both? Or neither? Either way, it would all be concepts, beliefs, just another game the mind likes to play with our consciousness.
I meant the truth that what we perceive is actually occuring in our mind, and NOT outside our body in the physical world.
For those that have a difficulty with this, scientists have confirmed that it's all in your head...lol
I was stating what the majority of people believe that consider themselves to be a "body/mind" combo - that they will die at the end of their physical life, or at least that their body will die.
...what they believe happens to their soul/spirit I don't want to touch, that can take up a lot of spacer and be quite scary/hillarious, depending if you are the person that believes it...or not
always a pleasure, and yes it is a hard thing to grasp in the beginning, and I've been interested in this information for over thirty years, so the true answer here and there, books, articles, talks with people, contemplating who I really am...etc
