Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[lovekush®]

Chocodurban

Chocodurban

Hi sativa lovers, this phenotype does not have strong lemon odor but a low odor of spices.

Jah bless. LK

 

[zachrockbadenof]

I'm not telling you that you are wrong, just suggesting you might not want to give up just yet ;-)

raho... i'll never give up...

to quote that great American mike Tyson, rite before he bitoff part of holyfields ear...

I have not yet begun to fight...

 

[Raho]

I'm not so sure I agree... while the mind is a bit fuzzy... the weed we were buying in the late 60's/early 70's imo (remember fuzzy mind) was way better then what we have been growing for the last 10+yrs... we grow by seeds, as we are not in the 'elite' group to get clones, but every thing is a hybrid and imo , trying to get the effects of a 150day sativa by combining it with a 50day indica does not work... at least in all the seeds we have bought...

maybe the body's chem has changed and today's shit is better... but me and numerous smoking friends yearn for a bag of old Mexican/Colombian/Jamaican... a bag that was filled with seeds and twigs..

maybe that's the secret... pollinate the plants, and get oz's of seeds... altho we had a plant or plants a few grows ago that herm'd
and got 8 ozs of seeds from ssh/sd kush/chemdog and jack herer... and that shit was no better...

maybe need to take a roadtrip into the jungles of se asia... on 2nd thought we'll just keep smoking the shitty weed we got...

One of my friends just did exactly that (SE Asia ganja expedition.)
Another friend returned from Thailand with a batch of seeds he though showed promise 4 years ago and is working hybrids from them now. It is happening all around you even if you are unable to do it.

Just to add one more thing. Since you mentioned SSH.
Today. many people think of the Haze hybrid lines from MNS/Sensi as the peak of available sativa genetics. It is certainly great herb, powerful, tasty, etc. I've smoked many examples of Nev's, SSH, Jack Herer, etc. After a while, the phenos at the top of the range all begin to seem very similar, and frankly, they do not remind me of the best qualities of the seedy, stemmy herb we used to buy way back when. The NL and skunk have a big impact, but even beyond that, there is something missing in the line (for my head anyway.)

I would just like to suggest you go off the beaten MNS/Sensi path and see if the road less traveled introduces you to something that pushes your buttons.

Regarding the idea that heavily seeding the buds may bring back the effects you seek . . .
DJ Short suggests in his book that seeded weed has a character that is different than sinse, and that it may be related to "the magic" (my term.)
I tend to disagree. For all his intelligence, occasionally DJ says things in that book that are superstitious and silly, like saying that seeds that have a hard time cracking the shell produce some of the best plants. Really? Base selection on how the seed sprouts?

Imagine how an inexperienced kid, growing his first crop after reading that book would become excited about a plant that struggled with the shell, giving that plant priority in selection simply because of that issue, that in all likelihood is not linked in any way to the chemotype of the plant. Not cool.

Same thing with seeded bud.
I can see less resin, less flower mass, different maturation cycle, different ability to defend against environmental threats, etc.
However, I do not see how getting knocked up is going to change the chemotype of the plant.
I would expect dry sift from seeded buds and sinse (cuttings from the same mother plant grown identically in the same conditions) to be nearly identical.
Veg matter will be different, terpenes may be different, the amount of resin and the maturation cycle will probably be different, but different cannabinoid ratios of resin harvested at the same stage of maturity?
Not likely.

That's just my untested perspective on that.

 

[Happy Roots]

Is this sativa enough for you guys !?

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Is this sativa enough for you guys !?

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Yep.... that will do it....

 

[Madjag]

Hi idiit
The way you have presented those quotes makes it look like Kanga's Mullum (which he had several lines of) was "juicy fruit thai" which is a thai/afghan seed line made by others then worked and sold by Sensi Seeds as "Fruity Juice Thai."
Nev actually meant that it reminded him of that (possibly from similar thai origins), not that it was descended directly from his old seeds.

If you read a bit further, you see Bushweed (an authority on Kanga's work) respond and clarify that the bag that Nev received from Kanga was actually a mixed bag of buds, including oaxacan, ww, and other mullum HYBRIDS.


In other words, if you somehow manage to get an old pack of Sensi Fruity Juice and grow them out, it would not be accurate to go around describing whatever came out as Mullum, or even remotely related.
The evolutionary path that resulted in Kanga's mullum lines did not pass through Sensi Seeds (or the juicy fruit thai line.)

If you go to Thailand and try to buy some herb (and recent travelers please correct me if this has changed) you do not have people describing the gear as "Highland", "Lowland", "Juicy Fruit" etc like people in the US might describe a generic skunk, haze or indica line.
All you will get if you are lucky is the name of the place that it came from.
Those names (juicy fruit, etc.) were applied to the offspring of plants grown in the US, Aus, NL, etc. from (usually) unknown places in Thailand, and nobody knew what they were going to be like until they were grown and smoked.
The names they applied to the lines that resulted were created by foreigners to describe something that they had created (usually hybrids) and have zero relevance to the work of producers back where the original line came from.

So, if Nev says a thai line smells or tastes like "juicy fruit thai" he doesn't mean it came from that commercialized, hybridized seedline, created and branded in the west.
He means it reminds him of the qualities he used to see in that line.
Even this is a reference that only a small percentage of people doing this stuff today can even truly recognize, because the lines are largely diluted or gone, and you kinda had to be there back then to get understand it. To have actually experienced it.

One thing is for sure, the reference would be unrecognizable by the people that might produce seeds in Thailand today. The labels never came from there to begin with. They were made up elsewhere.

So, to sum up:

• Nev was sniffing/smoking a bag of mixed hybrids, not pure mullum.
• He described it as smelling/tasting like something similar to an old line he used to sell.
• He did not say juicy fruit was a component in the genetic line of mullum.

When Kanga said this in response to Nev's post:
He was explaining where the smells/tastes Nev described came from in his gear (thai smell/taste comes from mullum, pine smell/taste from Mex) he was not saying that those commercial western strain names were part of the Mullum pedigree.

I hope this makes sense.

I see people try to do this all the time, presumably so they can buy a few packs or commercialized western seeds and recombine them into a semblance of a unique genetic mixture that has been lost to the ages or is famous but unavailable. It doesn't work that way for the most part unfortunately.
The guys making crosses back then (when heirloom herb came to our shores direct by the boat load from the land of origin and the seed that people worked with came from the bottom of their baggies, not in a pack from Amsterdam.)

Kanga had some unique lines preserved, and that is why Nev was so excited about using them to work with. Because the pedigree was more accurate than most lines available, and efforts had been made over the years to keep it pure.

I hope you find this helpful.

Raho, your Passion for all of this is so tangible and tasty. You are definitely on track and headed to the Station.

Hold on to your seat.....the masses are coming, and the Trainmeister wants to stamp your ticket.

 

[Gert Lush]

It is certainly great herb, powerful, tasty, etc. I've smoked many examples of Nev's, SSH, Jack Herer, etc. After a while, the phenos at the top of the range all begin to seem very similar, and frankly, they do not remind me of the best qualities of the seedy, stemmy herb we used to buy way back when.

I'll second that!
I mean it makes sense too, they're just the combination of what? - 5 or 6 good phenos from more or less the same source. Hardly a world of diversity. Which is not to take anything away from them, in their pioneering role.
But things move on, yaknow...
And I do have MNS crosses with other sativas that are rather good.

For all his intelligence, occasionally DJ says things in that book that are superstitious and silly, like saying that seeds that have a hard time cracking the shell produce some of the best plants. Really? Base selection on how the seed sprouts?

And it's not just DJ.
There are many "acknowledged experts" who on ocassion sprout such diamonds. Many of them a lot closer to home. I can only hope they were really stoned at the time.

However, I am more than thrilled to see that the cannabis forums are at last starting to offer some serious myth-busting.

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Sometimes I think the yearning for the past eclipses the willingness to do what it takes to re-live it ;-)

Quote of the month, if not of the year!

 

[Gert Lush]

Chopping her now!

Chopping her now!

303 - From https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36181&page=536#8031

I'd have left her a couple of weeks more, but she's starting to bolt.
My fault, I guess, I was forced to move her from 14/10 to 12/12.
About 14-15 weeks, all told, but under a weird schedule which would be more like the equivalent of 16-17 weeks. The good thing is that despite the funny lighting regimes she never misbehaved or thew any nanners. Good 303, very good, pat, pat! I maintain a related grow-thread on the MNS site.

I reckon about an ounce from a 5 litre pot, so not too bad for a test grow.
Looking forward to tasting it!

 

[Gert Lush]

#7982 (303 x NepJamx303) has turned out to be a real treat, too!

 

[Raho]

raho... i'll never give up...

to quote that great American mike Tyson, rite before he bitoff part of holyfields ear...

I have not yet begun to fight...

Rite on Zach!
Follow your heart and the path will rise to meet you.
I liked when he said:

"Everybody has a plan, till they get punched in the face."
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He seemed so unstoppable back then. I felt sorry for his opponents. The ear bite made him seem weaker to me.

 

[Madjag]

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Sometimes I think the yearning for the past eclipses the willingness to do what it takes to re-live it ;-)

Boy I hear this one loud and clear. It took me too long to get back on that path, too many distractions along the way. I think that's why you don't hear people raving about these old strains, not many have the resources, patience, or will to see it through to the end in the proper style even with the available lines.

 

[Raho]

Boy I hear this one loud and clear. It took me too long to get back on that path, too many distractions along the way. I think that's why you don't hear people raving about these old strains, not many have the resources, patience, or will to see it through to the end in the proper style even with the available lines.

I'm still trying to get there myself brother (back on the path, not the genetics.)
A fortune cookie taped to my monitor says:
"Keep true to the dreams of your youth."
If it was only that easy

 

[symbiote420]

Dirty Mitten Mystery Sativa aka Elle, @ day 116, I really gotta give her a better name lol guess that'll come after the smoke, she's sparkling like diamonds now and smells like a metallic, spicy peanut oil ...???? Anyway the countdown has begun!!

 

[Siever]

Hey Gert,

That 303 strain looks very nice and very sativa. From which breeder is it? Rumour has it that it contains Papua New Guinea genetica. Do you know if this is true?

Siever

 

[Gert Lush]

That 303 strain looks very nice and very sativa. From which breeder is it? Rumour has it that it contains Papua New Guinea genetica. Do you know if this is true?

The seeds were originally from FET of Spice Brothers, alas available no more.
The ones I'm doing are from a repro. They breed fairly true as far as I've seen. Yes, it was based on PNG with some subsequent work in Oz.
There are a few old threads on ic if you care to search.

 

[BlOoDShAnTi I]

O.Haze

J.Lambsbread'60

Angola x Thai F2

 

[BlOoDShAnTi I]

Ethiopian Highland

 

[The Hatter]

I recently grew some Ace Panama. It's a 100% pure sativa cross of several Panamanian IBL strains. I believe there is also some Colombian Punto Rojo in there as well. I didn't get any shots of her growing which is a shame since she was a beautiful plant. She grew fast and was quite bug resistant but a bit finicky about nutes and ph. After roughly a month of veg and around 12 weeks of flower she stood about 6 ft tall minus the pot and without any training. The buds are extremely airy but heavily frosted and large. The main cola was a 2 foot long spiral of wispy blue tinted bud with dark rust colored hairs that was about 6 inches thick. I took her down a bit early with by most standards as I prefer cleaner and more energetic effects to more heavy and narcotic ones.

In flower she smelled extremely strongly of pure lemon pinesol, an absolutely amazing aroma. After drying and a little bit of a cure the lemon citrus smells have faded a bit and more complex woodsy incense undertones have become noticeable. They are wonderful aromas.

The effect is where this plant shines. It's happy and very upbeat with a very strong sense of well being and euphoria. It fills you with creative energy yet is still relaxed and fun at the same time. It's a bit like floating along on a warm sunny day in a hot air balloon. It is quite unique and was not what I expected. It's definitely different from a typical haze offering and has a much more friendly effect. I find it quite motivating in small doses. As far as quality of effect goes I would place her in my top 3 favorites of all time.


Potency is also very good. Although not the strongest I have tried it is certainly not to be underestimated and I have yet to find the ceiling.

As far as medical properties go, it is very good for depression in low doses and works well on migraines and nausea as well. I also get moderate pain relief which is rare in a pure sativa. Beware this strain is not good for insomnia. It may even keep one up at night.

All on all she is probably the best keeper I have found to date. Her effect alone would have ensured her a place in my garden for years to come.

Here are some quick pics of a few dried buds from midway up the plant after they have had a good hair cut.

 

[idiit]

^^ The Hatter

my experience with acf panama was it makes great hybrids. my panama/angola red and panama/choco chiba were both excellent. up, energetic, clean high effects. potent smoke. great for personal smoke. complex terpenes. good frost. no mold/bud rot issues in a wet cold flowering year. good sized colas; not too big, not too small. good yields. lemon smell was present in buds. i haven't posted pics. yet but simialr to pics.above, little denser in the hybrids. no long cure time necessary either. i was running a red leaning panama mom in the hybrids and did not take her to amber.