Just got the feeling of getting out for the first time

[OGShaman]

other than my extended vacation presently I am full time grower. I have quite an education . I am master mechanic with smog certs too , I also can weld, I also went to school for horticulture at cuyamaca colledge and got several certs there too.i am also ex steel worker, and I can list quite a few more certs too. I actually find growers I know to be quite accomplished folks with a vast education a lot in horticulture.

Sorry maybe I should have phrased that differently, but I meant to say that most full time growers "I know" grow because they don't really have other options to make a decent living. We have had a lot of manufacturing plants close around here and put people out of work in the last few years. Where I live though the powers that be think medical marijuana is a joke, and growing has very real and harsh consequences so it's not a career choice entered into lightly. I certainly couldn't see the risk vs. reward for someone with other options to make money. But again thats just my state, and someone from a med state might view it completely differently. Nobody gets 4k a pound here either. Especially not since our city is flooded with imported herb from Denver.

 

[Weird]

I have been in the IT industry since the mid 80's and it has undergone more changes, more bubbles and more loss of value than you can imagine.

Used to be a few workstations, a server and a few other peripherals, application integration would sell for 30k and at least half was pure profit.

yeah it sucks when the world around you changes but you will never get the world to conform to you and if you even think in the slightest you can your fucked

learn to swim or drown, that is life and the best strategy is to clear your mind and your expectations and re-assess things with an understanding the only malleable being you can guaranteed to gain a measure of control over, i.e. yourself.

 

[nachoconqueso]

I have been in the IT industry since the mid 80's and it has undergone more changes, more bubbles and more loss of value than you can imagine.

Used to be a few workstations, a server and a few other peripherals, application integration would sell for 30k and at least half was pure profit.

yeah it sucks when the world around you changes but you will never get the world to conform to you and if you even think in the slightest you can your fucked

learn to swim or drown, that is life and the best strategy is to clear your mind and your expectations and re-assess things with an understanding the only malleable being you can guaranteed to gain a measure of control over, i.e. yourself.

I agree. The phrase of the day is "adapt or die".

 

[Payaso]

Supply and demand always rules the market place, except when the government implements price controls.

Previously, government supported high prices by making it illegal, which increased demand, because it's basic human instinct to do things that are forbidden

Legalization in two states already has lowered pricing, free availability reduces desire, and demand. Agriculture is a business built on many variables that can't be controlled at a personal level, so you've either got to have deep resources to get you thru the lean times, or the ability to swiftly change with the demand/supply factors.

And yes, flooding the market with cheap crap doesn't help much when you're trying to create and vend elite strains to the masses who really don't give a damn about genetics, they just want to get high.

Enough ranting... sorry to do that but I see a lot of this type of grumbling around these parts.

 

[farmdalefurr]

I hate that shit, people not caring about what strains they're getting

few of my buddies get rid of all my stuff for me and none of them could really give a shit what strain it is

ill start talking about what their picking up and you can see that blank, glazed look spreading across their face

wish I personally knew ANYBODY around me that cared half as much about this plant as I do

although I have no complaint about prices around here though, high as ever really

 

[supermanlives]

I didn't get into growing for the money. I got into it for the love of the plant and the steady cheap supply of top shelf weed with no nasties used. I do my own quality control.i have dedicated 1000s of hours on research alone. to be honest it might be easier to just have a reg job as I can make top $$$ no problem. I also met a lot med folks getting screwed over by prices and quality and decieded to try an change that for some peeps.nothing I like better than undercutting a dispensary and providing a med person with high quality meds at reasonable rates.the people that need mj most have been raked over the coals as far as I am concerned in a lot of cases. some of the prices don't reflect compassion to me, more like we want your cash, I have no issues overcharging a reg stoner but a sick person hell no. the good feeling I get is worth more than money. peace

 

[HOVAH2.0]

If the thinking you had was of getting rich quick, yes you should get out. But, if the need is for self forfillment, life enrichment, gaining knowledge from the business of growing and you have a longterm commitment to the art, we need you!

Growing and saleing weed is the same as any other blackmarket item and the same rules and laws apply. Be it crack, whitegurl, tar, pills, or weed its building a rep for a good consistant product over a number of years, not days nor weeks. Cannibus doesn't owe anyone anything, its just a plant! Give and have love for the game!

 

[DinosaurCocks]

move to north dakota, it's always super dry there, and now what with all the rich oil dudes flooding the state...ud prolly do well, as long as you can get used to living in the center of like a billion acres of soybeens...pretty bleak and flat

 

[supermanlives]

i would move to texas first lol and that aint ever happening. been to the Dakotas no thanks. its ok with friends on bikes for a visit tho

 

[northernkush]

The green tsunami will be over soon? All those warehouse grows will be shut down I'm sure and then ONT will come back out west with a big increase in demand...I'm just assuming that is what will happen. I lived in the east for a long time and never heard of anything selling consistently for over 28

 

[Jericho Mile]

So I've been a small time grower for a long time now and I'm well known for producing the best in my area. I've challenged others and myself to show me better because I wanted to get better buds out there for everyone. I think I'm about done. Prices are plummeting, the market is flooded with complete garbage, and no one gives a damn. Growers are charging next to nothing and putting out a crap load of crap weed on the cheap. The sad part is its what the people want. How can I compete with that? I remember getting $4k/lb and it made the risk worth it plus everyone was getting higher quality at below market in my circle. Now to pique interest it's $2k in my area, but how low can I keep going? These guys keep pumping out lower and lower quality at higher yields and it's messing up the market. I don't know what to do anymore. I can buy enough shit weed for cheap that it'd last me a lifetime of personal, probably cheaper than the cost/risk of growing. With buyers disappearing and the old circle getting older there's almost no point anymore. I have a degree in molecular bio and I actually might make more as a lowly lab tech running PCRs all day. I love working with Cannabis and now that's gone. Sorry if this is lame, but I had to express it to people who might understand.

If you want to stay in....maybe change your business model. Become a broker rather than a grower. Guess it also depends on your circle...because some circles require better services for higher dollar...still to this day...even in california. Ain't like you can sit and wait for clientele...it's a mobile scene...thinking out loud

 

[pANicModE]

seems a lot of you are in this game for the wrong reasons! I myself grow bcuz I like to grow..i like to chuck pollen..i like to watch seeds germinate, veg, flower. if its all about $$$ then you in it for the wrong reasons!

 

[Yes4Prop215]

the market has changed drastically, and will continue changing and the key is saving $$ for the future and trying to adapt.

basically in med states like CA and CO, small time residential indoor grows are becoming barely profitable. the price of power and housing has increased, whereas prices for indoor have falling to 50% of what they used to fetch. You used to be able to make a 6 figure living off 10 lights in CA, no more. 40kw is the new 10kw for indoor farming.

people that are feeling the squeeze now should have saved up money from the getting was good, and invested that into infastructure to continue making money in the future. ive put most of my $$ into open sun and greenhouse investments that will pay off for at least a few more years. eventually full out legalization hits, permits, taxes, etc will be the big test that might shut down a good share of growers. im keeping my eyes peeled on canada, CO and WA to get an idea of what will happen in CA.

open sun farmers are seeing lower prices but its still good money for those flooding the country with "cali beasters" lol....LB prices are in the toilet but you can still pull a couple hundred bows out of a backyard if done properly and even at 1k a pop its still good money. feel sorry for all the bedroom and garage growers in CA, they will be falling off one by one...especially with CARE's new 400% usage guidelines, audits and super high 4th tier pricing.

my last observation, in CO many of the original mega indoor ops that are pushing 100+ lights are transitioning to greenhouse farming...i see GH as the way of the future, which is why thats my main next target for investing. same ones used for commercial agriculture, fully permitted and professional greenhouse structures, no PVC hoophouse bullshit....thats what id put my $$ on!

 

[supermanlives]

back east is looking sweet if your doing bad where ya at. I might even drift back that way after my extended vacation. small grows are always profitable . so much that I have had many small ones over a big one for so many reasons for quite a while. now I am hangin with Julian and crew and got 5 tiny plants total . lol. the deal is if ya know the right customers and your a good grower and got good stock you will always survive. I could move about anywhere setup shop and be doing fine in 6 months max. done it many times before.........peace

 

[Jericho Mile]

seems a lot of you are in this game for the wrong reasons! I myself grow bcuz I like to grow..i like to chuck pollen..i like to watch seeds germinate, veg, flower. if its all about $$$ then you in it for the wrong reasons!

you know....people are different dude...and there are many reasons to grow cannabis. Sometimes it involves making money...and that..is what the OP was having problems doing.

This Game suggests making money does it not? Otherwise...hey yup..it's just gardening...and most of us love doing that.

Nothing terrible about making money imo..............actually making money I see as a positive in most any scenario. Even if someone is just in it for the money...doesn't make it a wrong reason. It's just a reason...like going to work.

 

[farmdalefurr]

Any money good money

 

[AloeRuss]

I think it's who you know that counts. I am in SoCal and I just recently started growing for food. Still better then just being unemployed.
The prices did go down bad. From 4.5 where I remember it it went to 2.7 but if you know your stuff it's still a good chunk.