BlueDigiBerry F2

[oldbootz]

Hi bigshrimp,

yes i have thinned them all out already quite a bit at the bottom and also removed most of the main stem fan leaves and fans that were in the way of other smaller plants growth. i plan one more defoliation right after i see that they have put on some weight at about week 4-5 to get some airflow going in there again to prevent molds etc. im expecting to water once or twice a day at about week 6-7 when they are all getting quite large. im thinking of throwing a net over them to help with stability as i haven't staked the tub. i better get on that soon.

 

[VerdantGreen]

looking good bootz! i think you might have your work cut out taming the stretch on some of those.

hey frank thanks for stopping by! tbh i very rarely detect much other than vegging smell with the stem rub on a vegging plant. My Bb cut doesnt start to smell of berry until mid-late flower.. it goes through a few odour stages before that.

VG

 

[dank.frank]

bootz - looks like the thai in digi has found itself some satty traits to pair with and manifest in the F2 - that is one CRAZY look plant for being pure blueberry!

awesome!



dank.Frank

 

[Mikenite69]

Nice verdant g. It is very nice to see someone looking to bring that great blueberry smell of old back not the watered down versions that most banks offer now a days. I have been talking to dank frank and he directed me to this thread.

Solid work you guys I can't wait to see some of these things flowered out. I also been searching through tons of banks offerings to find that one special pheno and have yet to be satisfied.

Hey verdant green will these be heading to the bay? Or are they offered at the bay now? Thanks for any info. Peace mike

 

[VerdantGreen]

hey mike, thanks! there should be a few packs still up at the bay. if you look back a page or two you can see John Deer's flowering plants and descriptions. he must have harvested by now and we should get some some smoke reports etc.

VG

 

[Mikenite69]

Thanks for that info Verdant G I'll definitely have to check out the bay. I am more excited than a kid in a candy store right now.

Peace mike

 

[Gil Tokerson]

I've got 3 slow growing runty little guys that are going to get crowded out of the light. Then the other 8 are divided between some that are very branchy, and some with very little side branches. One of the branchy ones is a quadrifoliate. I'll post a group shot when I get a sec.

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Here's my group:


And the quadrifoliate:

 

[madalasatori]

Anyone got a smoke report?

I tried some blueberry for the first time recently and loved the mellow, smiley, slightly euphoric high. I want to find something with this high but have heard that DP's blueberry is hard work.

What are the chances of getting that unique blueberry high from these seeds?

Thanks, and massive reeespec' to VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

hi mandelasatori, john deere should check in with a smoke report at some point soon, and others should follow as the first grows are getting along nicely.
certainly the F1s had the classic blueberry high like you describe, as did the mother of the line and from what frank says, the digiberry too.
i'm a big fan of that high too, i also find it quite funtional and easy to get on and do things if you need to.
VG

 

[dank.frank]

Well, I will say this - I don't like to in any way present false information...

Chili_B said he is growing out some of the Bx2 Digi built of the same Bx1 male you used pollen from, ie my selection, and he says they are all a bit more indica than he was expecting...but that is in growth profile, not finished product.

The male, bred very, very true, for the terpene and cannabinoid profile of the Digi - which does posses the exact high we have been talking about and raving on...

In the crosses I have grown to the male, they have all been some what dominated by the male - and have all had the nuances that we are seeking - it's why I offered up the pollen for your project, because I truly KNOW it wasn't going to deviate the line from what we both enjoy...

That being said, a lot of the F2's that have been posted so far - AND given the quadrafoliate surfacing - all seem to be more consistent with the DP line of blueberry than the Digi side of things....NOT to say that is good or bad, but merely an observation.

It leads me to think, that the Digi side of the expression is more latent when paired to your female - and in the F2's - is a bit more, lost in the mix perhaps.

I've seen the same thing happen with MANY of the plant examples posted up from my CB x DB cross - which utilized a modern female built heavily upon DJ genes.

It would seem, the Digi, is much less refined, in regards to being "blueberry" - and the more refined / modern blueberry mothers her line is being crossed to - seem to dominate many of her attributes that otherwise come through very loud and clear in outcrosses that have no blue genes in them...

And again, this is neither good nor bad - as much as it is a brief review of what I have seen taking place with the male and how the lines from him have behaved.

When paired to non-blue genetics - he comes through VERY strong. When paired with the modern blue genetics - it seems to be a very balanced / less dominate type of surfacing from the Digi side of the equation - In reality, that means he blends in very well...

It tends to be a bit frustrating to me, honestly - because it becomes like many of the other blue line workings - which in many cases, take a bit of time, effort and sorting to REALLY find that crown jewel...

The blues are a love affair for sure - and take patience...but are supremely worth the time. Anyway....



dank.Frank

 

[Gil Tokerson]

I went through my room, and culled all the males but one.
Of the original 11, 3 were really slow and runty. They were basically crowded out, so I pulled them. Of the 8 remaining, only 2 were females. One is really branchy, and one is mostly a main stem with very little side branches. That one has the largest fan leaves I've ever seen. Like the size of a basketball.
The make that I kept is the quadrifoliate. Besides being quad, it's also the biggest, most vigorous plant of them all. It's really a beautiful plant. They all kind of have the same funky sweet smell so far. The coming weeks will show what they really have in them.
A side note: of the 5 males I culled, 3 of them had converted to trifoliate growth patterns. Obviously whatever carries these traits is strong in this line.

-gil

 

[Gil Tokerson]

A couple more observations:
They all have unusually thick stems. Hard to bend the main stem without snapping.
They all have a lot of double serrations on the leaves.
-gil

 

[VerdantGreen]

thanks for your thoughts frank! from my perspective the F1s seemed quite digi dominant but the mother seems to have shown through much stronger in the F2s.

Gil, i wonder if there is an environmental element contributing towards the manifestation of tri and quadrifoliates in your plants, havent had any reports of tri's or quads from the other grows of the BDB F2s, although there are not that many grows out there as yet.
also, trifoliate plants usually start tri and then grow out of it, whereas yours seem to be growing into it.
i may be compeletely off the mark with that thought, but if your plants are vigorous then being tri or quad can be a good thing for sure.

VG

 

[Gil Tokerson]

VG - I don't think it's environmental. I've grown several other strains in this same cabinet, but these are the first to show tri/quad. I use the Lucas formula (gh) in homemade bubble buckets under a 600 in a cool tube. Temps in normal ranges.
The 3+3 thread you directed me to mentioned these traits being common in dj shorts blue lines. The Oregon purple Thai was suspected to be the originator.
I don't know why they're changing from regular growth well into their life? A couple more developments:
-one of my suspected males turned out to be female, and has turned trifoliate!
-while taking cuttings from all the plants for back ups, I discovered 1 quadrifoliate branch on my branchy non-quad female!

So the new breakdown:
-1 quad male
-1tri female (just turned tri, and much smaller than her siblings)
-1 branchy female with 1 random quad branch
-1 non-branchy female with giant fan leaves (gonna be one big bud with no side buds)


I chopped the male, but I took cuttings, and I put 3 branches in a mini bubble bucket in a little file cabinet with a cfl on 12/12.

Pics next
-gil

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Group shot (male-back right)

#1 (non branchy)

#2 branchy

#3 female (spontaneous tri)

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Giant fan

Male quad main top

Quad male

Spontaneous quad branch on female #2

 

[Gil Tokerson]

These are all at 11 days 12/12. The male was the most perfect plant ever. Super vigorous, quad, very branchy, fast flowering. I hope he passes his greatness down! This will be my first time collecting pollen and dusting my girls. Besides the bdb, I've got an awesome lemon skunk that I'm gonna hit also.

 

[dank.frank]

lol - wtf Gil - lol

Your plant #3 looks the most like a DJ blue from the leaves I am seeing...has the right fan blade shape / separation and the purple petioles - any purple "veins" in the stem? But either way, the plant looks big time DJ line influenced.

That broad leaf male has got to be some sour bubble traits coming through in the line from the first digi outcross...any heavy burnt rubber smells coming off him?

I KNOW the digi line doesn't do that quad / tri bit that you are experiencing...I don't know what to think...hahaha!!! The serrations are a good sign...

Not to detract from VG's thread / work - but to give some further insight - Chili_B has sprouted a few Digi Bx2 seeds, built off this same male - and so you get an idea how he has bred back to the Digi clone:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6094121&postcount=250

You'll see how the fans look and the indica type influence but also the extreme double serrations and the consistency of traits in them...but more so to help you guys identify which plants are showing which influence...

VG - I agree your F1 flowers did look really influenced by the Digi - which is why I sit here and scratch my head when seeing these F2's behave like they are. I would be inclined to agree that something is going on with Gils environment...

Gil - not to say it being bad - but the blues are really sensitive - and heavy feedings can mask the traits at times and can make them behave funny. I know while sorting the Digi Bx1 line for females - if I over fed, certain phenos would really twist and act up - and loose quite a bit of there smell and even toss nanners. If I let them get root bound they'd act up too. I know DJ bred his lines towards plants that were more efficient with nutrients, ie require less than other lines.

It really doesn't look as if you are over feeding at all, they look super healthy, don't get me wrong - but SOMETHING is going on if you had so many males and are getting THIS MANY tris / quads. Even with it being an F2 line and having extreme pheno variance to be the norm in an F2 - to have so many quads and tris is an anomaly, in my opinion...

Now - for a grain of salt - MikeNite is currently sorting some DP blueberry beans and we've been talking in PM's and one of his ladies is showing tri - so it is certainly something coming from the DP / DJ side of the spectrum...

But why you are experiencing it at such a frequency is curious to me...

Anyway - thanks for letting me chime in so freely. I love watching you folks sort through the blues like this - big



dank.Frank

 

[Gil Tokerson]

I've only got a few grows under my belt, so it very well could be environmental. But I really don't know what could cause it? The only thing that could even be outside of normal ranges would be nutrients. But I keep it real simple when it comes to nutes. Straight Lucas formula, no additives. I change the rez every 2 weeks, and top off with ro water in between. Perhaps it's too strong? No signs of over feeding (burnt tips,etc)?

I took a new pic of each female from the top so you can see them all from the same angle:

Female#1 (giant fans/minimal side branching)


Female #2 (very branchy)


Female #3 (just turned trifoliate - slower and smaller than the others)


Let me know what you guys think.
-gil