Study finds pesticides transfer to marijuana smoke

[Smoking Lamp]

I think NEEM oil and extracts need to be studied more, imho. I have used a variety of brands, organic and non [I started as a newb too], mostly I have had poor results. Plants all seem to be burning even @ watered down concentrations.

I gave it up and went DIY natural. Habanero's, sage, rosemary, catnip, asarum caudatum, parsley and of course a couple flakes of Dr. Bronners.

Pests in general do not like rotations of this combo. Really surprised myself even. Fermentation not Aeration.

 

[MileHighGuy]

Neem is very well researched and continues to be.

Just google Neem and Health, Neem For skin.

I've heard these two books mentioned a few times:

Neem: A Treatise

Neem: India's Miraculous Healing Plant

Neem oil is DIY natural...

and I like all your other DIY stuff too. How do you ferment your sprays?

To me, this Neem reference is just as bad as warning you about the effects habenero's might have on you... They could burn your skin and your eyes and cause upset stomach etc.

But Habaneros and other peppers are also very medicinal and also very good as a pest spray.

Bottom line, neem has proven to be awesome for medicine and insecticide.

 

[TheCleanGame]

Found that article online from your blog.

You only discuss the extract products... and Not Neem Oil. (Not sure if you are putting neem oil in the same category or not)

I'm unable to. The one and only time I used a bottle of Einstein's Neem oil was before I'd developed an understanding of what the aza products do.

You provide Zero Documentation.

Bummer dude... neither does 90% of the awesome information on this website. Funny that.

I've grown clean for 10 years and the only time I'm certain of the source of the issue it was side by side aza and non-aza treated plants. Time will prove it to everyone else. I've since switched back to my former methods and no problems have arisen.

That article is shit, and I'm not sure if it's based on really good intention or if it was written purely to spark controversy.

How eloquently put. My apologies for having such a terrible writing style. The intention is to inform. I'm also autistic which puts a serious cramp in my ability to write clearly. Harlequin helped with that when I was using it. Very much.

Emergency rooms are not going to be full of neem ingestion sufferer's

Full? No... but I would bet that I've been standing in line more than once for pain meds... next to other young adults with the same issues in line for pain meds. These days I don't doubt that it was related... back then I wasn't aware yet so I can't tell as I didn't ask the right questions.

Good Luck with your blog

Thanks... though the vibes from your post are not congratulatory. It's there to cut down on the number of times I have to re-type the same information over and over.

I'm sure your 1 facebook follower will be stoked to throw his azamax away.

I don't facebook. I just get traffic from it. Thanks for visiting anyway.

Keep it Clean!

 

[Raho]

Skip has touched on it in a couple of his posts and it seems most people do not note the observation that the labels on neem indicate it has been found safe to use on vegatables and fruits.
I have never seen a label or a study indicating that neem (or it's derivatives) have been tested at all for safety when smoked/burned.

When neem is applied to food produce, much of it is washed off before consumption.
We all wash a tomato or apple before eating it right?

Unless someone can provide links to the scientific studies testing what happens to neem products when burned, I will maintain doubts about it's safety for our application.

I believe there is a good chance burning it changes it significantly, and that inhaling the smoke of burning neem or any other insecticide not tested for our application (smoking) should be considered an unknown risk.

I find the correlation of symptoms between neem side effects and cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome to be compelling enough to consider ways to avoid it.
Right now I use it in veg only.
If anyone has ever seen a study on smoking neem, I'd like to see it.
Otherwise, I would assume that neem has NOT been thoroughly tested for our purposes.

 

[ozzieAI]

thanks OO for posting that article...confirmed what i suspected...

If anyone has ever seen a study on smoking neem, I'd like to see it.

i strongly doubt anyone is smoking neem oil as it breaks down quickly...

Azadirachtin, a major component of neem oil, is rapidly broken down. Microbes and light break down the pesticide in soil, water and on plants. The half-life of azadirachtin in soil ranges from 3 - 44 days. In water, the half-life ranges from 48 minutes to 4 days. It also rapidly breaks down on plant leaves; the half-life if 1 - 2.5 days. The remaining components of neem oil are broken down by microbes in most soil and water environments.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/neemgen.html

Otherwise, I would assume that neem has NOT been thoroughly tested for our purposes.

neither are the majority of commercially available pesticides used in cannabis cultivation... are you happy to smoke them?

i acknowledge that some/few people maybe sensitive to neem oil but i have never met one.

here is a good place to start your neem education: http://www.slideshare.net/ginosmit/...rch-report-the-divine-tree-azadirachta-indica

here is another, less wordy neem resource: http://www.ublcorp.com/files/Biological_Insecticides.pdf

TCG: show us the proof...

 

[supermanlives]

I think NEEM oil and extracts need to be studied more, imho. I have used a variety of brands, organic and non [I started as a newb too], mostly I have had poor results. Plants all seem to be burning even @ watered down concentrations.

I gave it up and went DIY natural. Habanero's, sage, rosemary, catnip, asarum caudatum, parsley and of course a couple flakes of Dr. Bronners.

Pests in general do not like rotations of this combo. Really surprised myself even. Fermentation not Aeration.

been using neem for years . no issues at all. diy natural works well to . I got some b huts for the buggies when needed along with other erbs.

 

[TheCleanGame]

The symptoms of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome are remarkably similar.

Indeed they are.

When I first read about Cannabis Hyperemesis I was sure the people were just suffering from azadirachtin exposure.

Turns out that it happens to people who use super high THC cannabis with no CBD in it. It also happens to people that use THC-like chemicals that also have no CBD in them. (Spice type research chems)

Since I didn't have problems with the strains I was growing before I used aza products and only had problems from the plants that were treated with aza... it's not a hyperemesis issue for me. It's aza.

Anyone who thinks aza products are safe... go mix up a 5ml/gallon solution and go dunk your arm in it for 5 minutes and don't wash it off. LOL Better yet... spray some plants the day before harvest like the label says. LOL Should make for some 'fine' cannabis.

Naysayers? Whatever duuude. I know what I know and paid dearly to know it. Figure it out yourselves. LOL

I'm outta this thread. LOL

Keep it Clean!

 

[Granger2]

Eating a peanut or breathing peanut dust can be deadly for a tiny percentage of people. The rest of us just fart. For almost anything you can name, there will be a tiny % of people who are alergic.

I'm willing to take TCG's word that he is adversely affected by neem/azadiractin. I guess it's natural for organic growers to feel threatened when one of the few tools they have is criticized. I'm going to have to re-think and research my use [usually 1 spraying, first week 12/12] of Azasol.

 

[ozzieAI]

Anyone who thinks aza products are safe... go mix up a 5ml/gallon solution and go dunk your arm in it for 5 minutes and don't wash it off.

like MHG i use pure neem oil mixed with aloe vera on my skin as an insect repellent, on my scalp and on any cuts/infections without any problems...only solutions

LOL Better yet... spray some plants the day before harvest like the label says. LOL Should make for some 'fine' cannabis.

why would you spray the day before harvest?

I'm willing to take TCG's word that he is adversely affected by neem/azadiractin.

i am too...but i can not for the life of me find any evidence of this anywhere...hence my question

I guess it's natural for organic growers to feel threatened when one of the few tools they have is criticized.

not feeling threatened, just looking for clarity and confirmation...which no one has been able to supply...

it seems that aza derived products seem to be the main issue with intolerance...not pure neem oil per say....i would dearly love to get to the bottom of this issue...

also consider that the article talks about pesticides...they don't mention which ones...so theoretically neem/aza could be one of those they found...

edit: just watching vid and aza wasn't one of the pesticides they checked for...

 

[MileHighGuy]

Indeed they are.

When I first read about Cannabis Hyperemesis I was sure the people were just suffering from azadirachtin exposure.

Turns out that it happens to people who use super high THC cannabis with no CBD in it. It also happens to people that use THC-like chemicals that also have no CBD in them. (Spice type research chems)

Since I didn't have problems with the strains I was growing before I used aza products and only had problems from the plants that were treated with aza... it's not a hyperemesis issue for me. It's aza.

Anyone who thinks aza products are safe... go mix up a 5ml/gallon solution and go dunk your arm in it for 5 minutes and don't wash it off. LOL Better yet... spray some plants the day before harvest like the label says. LOL Should make for some 'fine' cannabis.

Naysayers? Whatever duuude. I know what I know and paid dearly to know it. Figure it out yourselves. LOL

I'm outta this thread. LOL

Keep it Clean!

I wouldn't defend azamax at all.

I just don't want new organic growers running away from neem oil all scared because good quality neem oil is awesome... One of those products that can integrate into your garden and your life.

Personally I feel that the extract products are a rip off and praying off of those that don't know better. Neem oil is cheaper and more effective.

The challenge becomes that people tend to prefer the Concentrates because they are easy to emulsify and don't have a funky odor.... my belief is that many rookie growers are spraying these products heavily to treat infestation instead of before hand to act in prevention.

Who knows what chemical solvents these companies are using to create their extract products and how consistent they are. I will always trust nature... just like I would rather smoke a complete and balanced bowl over taking a THC pill anyday... I'd rather use neem over a concentrated extract.

I probably shouldn't have been so rude about your blog article.

When I read your posts complaining about the Terms Of Use, I expected your blog article to contain some sort of medical reference etc.

When I found your article, it was clearly just opinion and could have been easily copied and pasted here.... instead you just wanted to drive traffic to your site.

I really love the Neem Tree and have been learning much about it over the last couple of years.

I'm not trying to blindly cling to an organic practice because I depend on it. I could certainly use other methods of pest control.
But the Cakes, Oils and the products from the Neem and Karanja Trees are amazing and in my opinion should be a part of everyone's life. But I get weirder as I go on... Heck, now I'm making kefir every morning.... haha

So to me, and many others, the Neem Tree is an important medicinal plant that should be respected. It's similar to cannabis in it's importance and should be defended. Now... the extracts.... I'm not down for those anymore than THC pills etc.

If anything, these are the reasons that growing your own is so important.

EDIT: @ TCG: Have you tried kefir? You should consider it, it might help with your stomach issues.

Also here is another resource on Neem. Seems that it helps with stomach issues with many people. http://usingneem.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Neem-Booklet.pdf

 

[RetroGrow]

Check it out.

http://www.times-standard.com/local...e-you-smoking-study-finds-pesticides-transfer

Thanks for posting. I re-posted in the Broad Mite thread. There is where you will find the biggest abusers. Now watch as same crew pile on the negative reps. The fact is, some of these growers don't care about people's health. They only care about money.

 

[NorCalDreaming]

I have neem that I use in my toothpaste, mouthwash and in powdered form for internal health.

Neem is incredible.

Good point.

 

[ozzieAI]

i found the video linked in the article very educational and was heartened to see such an approach to this issue...just hope this sort testing and analysis continues to grow...

 

[NorCalDreaming]

i found the video linked in the article very educational and was heartened to see such an approach to this issue...just hope this sort testing and analysis continues to grow...

I look forward to when all meds must be tested and verified as such. I heard in CO some people simply go online and copy a test report and include it with their herb. Bacteria/yeast/mold testing is cheap. Unfortunately pesticide screens can easily run a few hundred dollars depending upon how many they look for in the panel. Some individual tests for a specific compound can easily be over $100. I can see how some would like to avoid paying for tests. I only smoke stuff I or friends grow so I know what's in/on it.

 

[Rromack]

"Azadirachtin, a component of neem oil, can be very irritating to the skin and stomach."
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/neemgen.html

"Gastrointestinal tract discomfort may produce nausea and vomiting."
http://datasheets.scbt.com/sc-257105.pdf

Could it be possible that some individuals are unaffected, while others may have some type of adverse reaction?

 

[ozzieAI]

Could it be possible that some individuals are unaffected, while others may have some type of adverse reaction?

that is likely the case, however neem has been used in toothpaste, skin lotions, shampoo etc for years now. so the incidents of reactions to aza must be confined to a few individuals.

interesting part of the vid is the transfer of pesticide via a pipe was so high with a filtered bong working very effectively to remove pesticide residue....

 

[Smoking Lamp]

The most ironic thing about organic and neem oil I find, is that organic is supposed to be about locally sourced or sustainable and relying on nature's processes to handle some of the day to day task.
When we ship Neem from 4-5000 miles away for organic purposes, all that oil used up to bring it here is about as much saved from people bitching about using synthetic - oil derived ferts.
Buy local organic and read up on natural ways to make acaricides and acarifuges.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

OGBIOWAR Foliar works much better than neem, and is more economical in the long run.
http://eurekaspringsorganics.com/organic-pest-control/ogbiowar-foliar-pack-4-oz

 

[EclipseFour20]

In reading the actual study, I think there is a bigger point that we are all missing--filtered smoking devices are capable of removing a significant amount of the pesticide residue...as evidenced by this graph--

The filtered device used was McFinn's Triple Filtered Water Pipe (probably this one-->)http://aqualabtechnologies.com/mcfinn-s-triple-filtered-four-arm-bubbler-set.html

The complete study, Determination of Pesticide Residues in Cannabis Smoke, is here--->http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2013/378168/

Think I found what I want for Christmas!

 

[Gelado`]

Me...I'll stick to growing organic, and I will continue to use neem oil as long as the half life of azadirachtin in water is a maximum of four days! I only use mine in the medium and stop weeks before harvest. My bud tastes great and I have no adverse effects from it. It's also a heck of a plant growth agent.