furrywall11
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UNREGISTRD
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Ive noticed this as well..Is your controller really in Celcius? Ive been running this oven for the past few weeks and have it working pretty well..Ive had it running at almost 130 and the temps are about 15-20 less on the middle shelf per my laser therm. And othertimes its Dialed perfect at 112 and makes shadda like a machine and the temps are within 5deg. The top shelf is def the coolest.. By a feel test I only feel a heating element on the bottom!
Ive found preheating the oven the night or day before your going to use it is the key.. I actually have Not turned it off for 4 days now and every batch today has came out amazing...
furrywall11
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I can get the really nice fully stable thin film pull n snap that's glossy like a jolly rancher and so clear that I can see right through it...almost as if it's been dewaxxed.... but, no luck making the kind that shatters and gets in your eye...
Yea, my controller is in C.... noticed pretty much the same things as you with the AI but, sometimes mine will be waaayyy off, like 35F off.... then I turn it off and let it cool down and start over. I'm wondering if cool ambient temps have anything to do with it..... we had our first snow tonight, so, if they do, that could come into play..
Yea, my controller is in C.... noticed pretty much the same things as you with the AI but, sometimes mine will be waaayyy off, like 35F off.... then I turn it off and let it cool down and start over. I'm wondering if cool ambient temps have anything to do with it..... we had our first snow tonight, so, if they do, that could come into play..
UNREGISTRD
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Awesome.. Ya i been making 30gm slabs all day that are fully stable not one little bubble and so clear if you put it over an advertisement you can still read the fine print..I luv this machine its a def game changer in our books..My controller is in F.. Id call AI and have em send you a new one..
I was like 30 off the other day as well and yes that was our first freeze too.. Seems we both are experencing the same thing with the unit. I almost shut it off the other day and started over too but I really think the longer its on the more it stabilizes. I gave up that day and left it on and its been on for the past few days and its kicking ass now. Ya the controller may say 112 after 45min but i can never seem to get thin film shadda the same day i turn on the oven. So thats tellin me something there..
CannabisTHC
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Edit: There is definitely 2 heating elements where I had read before buying a unit about a year ago on the right side and on the bottom.
analogcricket
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everytime i try to make shatter i fail. it always ends up autobuddering in the end. im not sure if its caused by uneven temps in the oven or related to scrapping the pyrex onto parchment paper before i put slabs in the oven.
analogcricket
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anyone notice a temp differences from warm days and cold nights?
RegisPhilburn1
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Is your oven outside?
I just leave mine on now. When i first start it up it takes about 2 hours to get consistent in the oven. I have solid steel plates for shelves that were custom made, and help distribute hat alot better than the wire racks. Ideally i would have some thick marble slaps cut to size and use those for shelves.
For those having trouble with shatter in this oven:
Always let your slab warm for 20-30min before pulling vac, and dont let the muffin get above 1". I fold in half after putting on parchment from dish or vessel and using an acrylic rolling pin (for silk screening) to roll the oil out into an even thin film, then before unfolding i set it in the oven for 5 min to warm so the unfold is more evenly spread. Once you are near bubble free on this side usually about 1-2 hours for me, release vac, wait 20 min, pull your slab out onto a cold surface. Let cool and with a separate new piece of parchment, flip the patty over onto the new parchment and pull lightly to get the slab off. Put it back in the oven to warm for 20-30 min and then pull vac. You will be surprised at how much more solvent there is. I usually flip 3-4 times before im done. Winterized takes a lot of flipping before its done.
analogcricket
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sometimes but covered with carport.
do you ever have problems with auto-buddering and starting to crystalize in certain areas? i would think folding it would add more air and water into the oil causing buddering.
also, what temps are you running and how big are your slabs?
furrywall11
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Regis - I've been getting nice shatter by using trim and larf nuggets, recovering to -15HG, pouring or scooping directly onto parchment and, baking for 60 minutes at 115F/29HG. The muffin is probably about an " and a quarter. The shatter is more bendy than snappy but it's totally stable, glossy and, clear.......... I'm trying to figure out how to make these full on snappy pattys (haha sounds like cookies) that my buddy makes... they just snap in half and are very clear.. .... What is it that makes a more Snappy product? or is it just strain related..?
Today I had my oven set at 125- lasered the top shelf @ 85 after 4 hours, my shed is outside in a shed with no insulation....I'm really beginning to think weather does affect oven temps.... and why not? I get the sense that the internal thermometer measures the temp of the metal plates inside the oven and not the temperature inside the oven... If the sides and top of the internal oven plating are a lot cooler then that would affect the temps inside the oven.
Today I had my oven set at 125- lasered the top shelf @ 85 after 4 hours, my shed is outside in a shed with no insulation....I'm really beginning to think weather does affect oven temps.... and why not? I get the sense that the internal thermometer measures the temp of the metal plates inside the oven and not the temperature inside the oven... If the sides and top of the internal oven plating are a lot cooler then that would affect the temps inside the oven.
UNREGISTRD
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With my experience with the AI and yours. Id say its def safe to say the Ambient temp is a variable in our equation.
"What is it that makes a more Snappy product? or is it just strain related..?"
You stated ur first vac is for 60min.. Yes that is enough time to purge the tane but If your throw it in longer it will make it more stable.
REGIS posted some good tips as well.. Always get your oil up to temp for 15-20min before pulling a vac it helps eliminate any trapped air bubbles.. Ya after an hour it looks clear and done but as regis pointed out you gotta flip it over and do the same thing again. This is what helps me get the snap like glass shadda..The longer the vac the more stable it is IMO..
furrywall11
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Thanks for the tips Regis and Unreg. The only time I actually got glass shatter was when I left a patty of unpurged green ribbon oil out in my 75F garage for ten days. Boom, Sha-Tar.
BTW, yes, I verified today - when the ambient temps dropped down to 30F outside the temps in my oven shifted dramatically. Looks like I'm going to have to get a heater for my oven heh...
BTW, yes, I verified today - when the ambient temps dropped down to 30F outside the temps in my oven shifted dramatically. Looks like I'm going to have to get a heater for my oven heh...
UNREGISTRD
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I actually did the same.. Picked up the delonghi oilfilled heater from lowes for 70$ with a thermostat.. I have it on the same circuit as my oven and still barely pulling 10amps..
Yea steady ambient temps are indeed needed for the AI
oven. I spent some time working with one in an outdoor setting
and was pleased with the oven preformance once we got the oven
in a more temperature stable environment. My buddy calibrated it
using a method from the phone rep to get the temps low enough.
Oven reads 120-130 on the display but the IR temp gun says
105-115 . . Rolling out your oil between parchment is the way to
go. You guys complaining about not having enough oven space
need to do this. I can pack sooo much oil in an oven this way.
rolling it out a couple times uber thin vac, release, vac, release,
vac, release done in 45 min to 1hr. Dont stack too many layers of
parchment but you can stack quite a few up to and between the
shelves. After you pull them out of the oven and they are cool, pull
back the parchment with a swift movement. Place back in the oven
of 5-10 min no vac to get the sheet to shine up. This removes that
dull look from the parchment and gives it some jar appeal...
If the oil layers get too thin from rolling out. I fold them over on
themselves and shape to the desired form. Adding the trim to the
sheet before heating it in the oven again for 10 min. This will shine
and reform a thicker sheet. Keeping the thin layer helps with eye
appeal and seems to be the preferred form for many patients.
oven. I spent some time working with one in an outdoor setting
and was pleased with the oven preformance once we got the oven
in a more temperature stable environment. My buddy calibrated it
using a method from the phone rep to get the temps low enough.
Oven reads 120-130 on the display but the IR temp gun says
105-115 . . Rolling out your oil between parchment is the way to
go. You guys complaining about not having enough oven space
need to do this. I can pack sooo much oil in an oven this way.
rolling it out a couple times uber thin vac, release, vac, release,
vac, release done in 45 min to 1hr. Dont stack too many layers of
parchment but you can stack quite a few up to and between the
shelves. After you pull them out of the oven and they are cool, pull
back the parchment with a swift movement. Place back in the oven
of 5-10 min no vac to get the sheet to shine up. This removes that
dull look from the parchment and gives it some jar appeal...
If the oil layers get too thin from rolling out. I fold them over on
themselves and shape to the desired form. Adding the trim to the
sheet before heating it in the oven again for 10 min. This will shine
and reform a thicker sheet. Keeping the thin layer helps with eye
appeal and seems to be the preferred form for many patients.
Oh and I forgot to add that between the vac, release, vac, release,
sequence rotate the parchment from the bottom to the top shelves. Otherwise the top shelves wont be finished with the same look and texture as the bottom...
Respectfully,
FE
IMO the only way to evenly heat would be each individual shelf having independent temp control. That would be the best option/design ...
Is even heat over multiple shelves even possible with the design of these ovens? Because there is no heat transfer by convection due to the vacuum, the heat is being radiated. For this reason I would imagine the middle rack will always get much less heat if you are running multiple racks.
UNREGISTRD
Active member
I have a marble slab on my bottom. Sounds like you have one on each shelf?
HighStateToke
Member
Where are you guys finding properly sized marble slabs? That would be great..another option would be to have solid aluminum sheets cut to size.
