ugh ya if you don't know what your doing in regards to your tolerance and what you can handle i'd say don't do it. Its not like she was forced to take a dab.
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A Warning regarding Dabs from Dale Gieringer
- Thread starter Thomas Paine
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Overdosing on cannabis...ROFLMAO - still the silliest thing I've heard on this site in YEARS.
Show me the scientific levels of toxicity per a given body weight - show the the determined levels at which a given concentration of cannabinoids in the body becomes dangerous - if you cannot do such a thing - you cannot declare it an overdose.
Since no such medical or scientific data exists to this effect - all you have is an experience in which you personally felt uncomfortable with the effects produced...THAT is not an overdose.
If so, then why isn't a heat stroke called an overdose on sunshine? Why isn't sea sickness called an overdose of the ocean? Why isn't eating too much food and getting stomach cramps called overdosing on food? Why is someone who is lactose intolerant not considered to overdose on lactose when vomiting or bloated? I could make such examples as these for days...
BECAUSE - there is NO toxicity in these scenarios - JUST as there is ZERO toxicity with the ingestion of cannabinoids. THUS - the term overdose, CAN NOT, DOES NOT - apply.
I don't know how to make this ANY clearer...
Overdose requires an element of toxicity. Period.
Raw fish makes me feel sick after eating it - guess I overdosed on sushi? ROFL...get real.
dank.Frank
Show me the scientific levels of toxicity per a given body weight - show the the determined levels at which a given concentration of cannabinoids in the body becomes dangerous - if you cannot do such a thing - you cannot declare it an overdose.
Since no such medical or scientific data exists to this effect - all you have is an experience in which you personally felt uncomfortable with the effects produced...THAT is not an overdose.
If so, then why isn't a heat stroke called an overdose on sunshine? Why isn't sea sickness called an overdose of the ocean? Why isn't eating too much food and getting stomach cramps called overdosing on food? Why is someone who is lactose intolerant not considered to overdose on lactose when vomiting or bloated? I could make such examples as these for days...
BECAUSE - there is NO toxicity in these scenarios - JUST as there is ZERO toxicity with the ingestion of cannabinoids. THUS - the term overdose, CAN NOT, DOES NOT - apply.
I don't know how to make this ANY clearer...
Overdose requires an element of toxicity. Period.
Raw fish makes me feel sick after eating it - guess I overdosed on sushi? ROFL...get real.
dank.Frank
Don't you think the whole dabs thing is a result of the Cannabis prohibition and the inflated value of anything with THC in it? If Cannabis was 100% legal the value would drop, drop, drop. And then the raw materials needed to make dry sift would be affordable to all. Dabs can be 70% THC or even a bit higher. Dry sift that is 99.9% resin heads can easily be over 70% THC and because dry sift is terpene rich it is pretty easy to make dry sift that is subjectively stronger then dabs.
If herbal Cannabis was legal and cheap then the motivation to get the last drop of THC from shake via BHO would be gone, and the supply of BHO would dwindle away...
As long as Cannabis has such a high value due to the laws, then dabs will continue.
Even if everyone had dry sift a few would want Dabs, it is the nature of people to try to find better highs or stronger highs, but for me 99.9% resin heads is as good as it gets.
Does anyone think their dabs taste or smell as good as the best herbal Cannabis it came from? My Dry sift does!!
As for Chris and Dale claiming Dabs are hard drugs, neither are hardcore smokers. I disagree and we do not need to give ammunition to the enemy.
I have heard the same about my dry sift, "it is just to strong", I say so smoke less....
I can remember the youth smoking the Original Haze for the first time, they would say it was treated with chemicals to make it so strong, and I have seen quite a few pass out or toss their cookies. In Afghanistan when people smoked their first hubble bubble filled with hashish they often dropped. Should the Original Haze or Afghan hashish be banned as dangerous? Give me a break... Should dry sift be outlawed as the Dutch seem to want to do? Even though smoking dry sift is healthier then smoking the same amount of THC via herbal Cannabis?
Or should people learn their limits with smoking? I guess if people drank distilled sprits like they drink beer then all distilled sprits would need to be outlawed? Or they could learn how to drink in a manner they can handle.
-SamS
If herbal Cannabis was legal and cheap then the motivation to get the last drop of THC from shake via BHO would be gone, and the supply of BHO would dwindle away...
As long as Cannabis has such a high value due to the laws, then dabs will continue.
Even if everyone had dry sift a few would want Dabs, it is the nature of people to try to find better highs or stronger highs, but for me 99.9% resin heads is as good as it gets.
Does anyone think their dabs taste or smell as good as the best herbal Cannabis it came from? My Dry sift does!!
As for Chris and Dale claiming Dabs are hard drugs, neither are hardcore smokers. I disagree and we do not need to give ammunition to the enemy.
I have heard the same about my dry sift, "it is just to strong", I say so smoke less....
I can remember the youth smoking the Original Haze for the first time, they would say it was treated with chemicals to make it so strong, and I have seen quite a few pass out or toss their cookies. In Afghanistan when people smoked their first hubble bubble filled with hashish they often dropped. Should the Original Haze or Afghan hashish be banned as dangerous? Give me a break... Should dry sift be outlawed as the Dutch seem to want to do? Even though smoking dry sift is healthier then smoking the same amount of THC via herbal Cannabis?
Or should people learn their limits with smoking? I guess if people drank distilled sprits like they drink beer then all distilled sprits would need to be outlawed? Or they could learn how to drink in a manner they can handle.
-SamS
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glad to see everyone takes an opportunity to promote their headier than thou view on the right and wrong ways to get high using this plant, i guess just about anyone can still keepthe bar at ankle height
with the advent and popularity of CO2 extraction do not expect oils to leave the market and you know Sam your rhetoric really begs the question how do you admonish any form of concentrate that can efficiently deliver the the necessaries medicine to a patient?
are they sifting those high cbd strains you developed over there at GW pharma?
interestingly enough your method you have kept to yourself so anyone getting pure sift is using some of the other methods stumbled upon and shared here on these forums so maybe you should stop treating sift as something you invented
you weren't even willing to share the method via capitalism or altruism
your ivory towers do not impress me
with the advent and popularity of CO2 extraction do not expect oils to leave the market and you know Sam your rhetoric really begs the question how do you admonish any form of concentrate that can efficiently deliver the the necessaries medicine to a patient?
are they sifting those high cbd strains you developed over there at GW pharma?
interestingly enough your method you have kept to yourself so anyone getting pure sift is using some of the other methods stumbled upon and shared here on these forums so maybe you should stop treating sift as something you invented
you weren't even willing to share the method via capitalism or altruism
your ivory towers do not impress me
one.sixoneeight
Member
To answer one of sams questions. Yes BHO can taste BETTER than flowers or sifts or bubbles. The word concentrate should give an indicator. We dont only concentrate the amount of thc we also concrentrate the terps. Butane is a perfect solvent for removing resin and terps, that is a fact. Terps are not lost in a bucket of water, or clinging to screens. More terps make it to the final product when making BHO.
As Long as PROPER TECH is followed, the final product IS purer than the starting material.
People need to relearn chemistry if they feel butane can not be fully purged.
As Long as PROPER TECH is followed, the final product IS purer than the starting material.
People need to relearn chemistry if they feel butane can not be fully purged.
So just to get this straight, when you purge you do not lose any terpenes? Zero?
And dry sift loses terpenes on the screen? And most of the BHO extracts are made properly?
I think that only happens when the resin head is ruptured, when I make dry sift I don't do that.
I have never seen a BHO extract that has more taste and flavor then dry sift from the same variety, has anyone else besides one.sixoneeight?
And dry sift loses terpenes on the screen? And most of the BHO extracts are made properly?
I think that only happens when the resin head is ruptured, when I make dry sift I don't do that.
I have never seen a BHO extract that has more taste and flavor then dry sift from the same variety, has anyone else besides one.sixoneeight?
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I have seen lots of great dry sift mine or others that is all I meant.
The popularity is more economic then anything else. But as I have said before who is making BHO and why? I have met an awful lot of people that say they can BHO mildew or moldy buds and get great BHO extract and make lots of extra $. Great....
It is not really the BHO if done properly, it is much more than that.
I have zero interest in impressing you, I do not even know you.
As for me inventing dry sift, how ridiculous, I have never made such a claim. Are you trying to make me something I am not?
What have you shared with this community, I forgot. Or maybe you don't follow your own advice?
Really you are just a waste of time....
-SamS
The popularity is more economic then anything else. But as I have said before who is making BHO and why? I have met an awful lot of people that say they can BHO mildew or moldy buds and get great BHO extract and make lots of extra $. Great....
It is not really the BHO if done properly, it is much more than that.
I have zero interest in impressing you, I do not even know you.
As for me inventing dry sift, how ridiculous, I have never made such a claim. Are you trying to make me something I am not?
What have you shared with this community, I forgot. Or maybe you don't follow your own advice?
Really you are just a waste of time....
-SamS
one.sixoneeight
Member
Sam, find someone you know who really has a handle on making bho properly. Give that person a sample of your flowers to make the oil from. Comparing it any other way is obviously going to give a biased result.
this is always going to be the "argument " and if ppl disagree then we always hear ... "well you didnt do it right " . I really have to believe its a personal choice of what your comfortable with .. or what works for "you". I mean at this point it would be real easy for Sam to say .. well you have never smoked drysift like mine IE .. "your not doing it right" and Sam has of course already heard that he hasnt smoked oil made right IE " your not doing it right". This convo will always be a back and forth. I smoke both ... everything in its own time and space. Set and setting is everything !! Lets not argue over this it is surely a waste of energy.
one.sixoneeight
Member
I like to call it conversation, until the insults start being tossed.
I think that is the problem finding the BHO extract that was made properly. What % of the BHO out there is made properly do you think?
How could I find a person to make it properly, I think you are implying that most BHO is made improperly?
Also please answer my question about BHO extracts purging and any loss of terpenes, there must be terpene loss.
Have you ever measured via GC or HPLC analysis the terpene%'s before and after purging?
If not, how can you claim that your way does not lose terpenes?
-SamS
How could I find a person to make it properly, I think you are implying that most BHO is made improperly?
Also please answer my question about BHO extracts purging and any loss of terpenes, there must be terpene loss.
Have you ever measured via GC or HPLC analysis the terpene%'s before and after purging?
If not, how can you claim that your way does not lose terpenes?
-SamS
one.sixoneeight
Member
No doubt Terpenes are lost in the purge. Being that Butane is far more volatile than any terpene, if proper technique is used, terpene loss will be kept to a minimum.
To what percentage of bho out there is made properly, I am sure the number is relatively low. Probably pretty close to the percentage of flowers that are actually grown well. I prefer to look at the individual instead in this instance, because there is where the magic is being found, first in flower then in concentrate.
This is still all in its infancy, and right now I look to the few out there pioneering the way for us all. Graywolf being a fine example.
To what percentage of bho out there is made properly, I am sure the number is relatively low. Probably pretty close to the percentage of flowers that are actually grown well. I prefer to look at the individual instead in this instance, because there is where the magic is being found, first in flower then in concentrate.
This is still all in its infancy, and right now I look to the few out there pioneering the way for us all. Graywolf being a fine example.
being a terpene junkie , I cant agree more with Mr Skunkman.
I like my Terpeniol any time of the day, just pass me a fat Afghan nugget and i will be fine.
ruining buds flavour to the point i cannot tell what strain has been used to produce an extract should really tell something.
a nice dryesieve from bud that has hung in the dark on the stakj for 3 weeks , especiacly from any oldskool indica/ hashplant/afghani/paki will mel to the touch befor press.
and the slightly transparent gooish resin does resemble some extract I have seen.
But the dissloving of all resin , it does somewhat bring the complexity of flavour all at once...much different from smpldering drysieve
resin extract is not the quality smoke a good drysieve is.
and i have had the honour to tast cleanest extract
good hash or bud is just another level
it is natural , you can asses its quality instantly
it is safe
extract can be anything
stay safe , stay green
I like my Terpeniol any time of the day, just pass me a fat Afghan nugget and i will be fine.
ruining buds flavour to the point i cannot tell what strain has been used to produce an extract should really tell something.
a nice dryesieve from bud that has hung in the dark on the stakj for 3 weeks , especiacly from any oldskool indica/ hashplant/afghani/paki will mel to the touch befor press.
and the slightly transparent gooish resin does resemble some extract I have seen.
But the dissloving of all resin , it does somewhat bring the complexity of flavour all at once...much different from smpldering drysieve
resin extract is not the quality smoke a good drysieve is.
and i have had the honour to tast cleanest extract
good hash or bud is just another level
it is natural , you can asses its quality instantly
it is safe
extract can be anything
stay safe , stay green
Yup, I have, but was not from dry trichs. Might be the best concentrate I've had the pleasure of trying. In fact if you can tell me how to extract fresh resin heads with a "dry" sieve method(HINT, HINT) then I'm all ears ( err eyes)..
apples to oranges in my opinion bho is bho, bubble is bubble, and kief is kief, all different beasts with their own little subtle nuances..
anyway now that we are way off topic.. If produced properly bho can be very clean and very strong, that being said I've seen people get just as high from weed.. Dabbing isn't dangerous, just know your source (so you know it's clean), and know your own limits ( so you don't knock out your teeth)
I like them both, but I prefer dry sift.
I made up a mix of GDP sift, Sour Diesel sift, Original OG Sift, and Headband sift. It was very pure, and way stronger then anyone dabs, or oil Ive sampled since. It was crazy white out sift, that people named SpineTingler. You had to pass the bong real quick and get down near the floor real fast. I woke up on the floor many a time, arms flailing about
I made up a mix of GDP sift, Sour Diesel sift, Original OG Sift, and Headband sift. It was very pure, and way stronger then anyone dabs, or oil Ive sampled since. It was crazy white out sift, that people named SpineTingler. You had to pass the bong real quick and get down near the floor real fast. I woke up on the floor many a time, arms flailing about
It is a thread about the dangers of dabbing, which is propaganda and that is the topic. In this article there are 0 connections to the dangers of dabbing as being a byproduct of manufacturing the oil with butane and as it has been stated its accepted that that article argues it is the concentrated amounts of cannabinoids in and of themselves that is the problem.
Arguing against the virtues of one concentrate over another is not addressing the propaganda that regards concentrates as dangerous because of "copious" levels of cannabinoids.
Because of that the sift argument is not relative or contextual but very personally relevant and one that becomes preferential because of considerations such as flavor.
It does not have the same weight when you judge it based on other criteria such as intended use such as for medical benefit or most efficient use and return based on the materials at hand.
I love the fact that you found your personal nirvana I jsut don't get how that nullifies the current reality at hand people are benefit from and desire all types of cannabis concentrates regardless of how they are made. The only concerns that solvent based concentrates should raise is are they made properly and that isn't the point of the danger of dabbing.
sift, like water hash is harder to adulterate in the extraction process making it far more stoner proof, but once again no context in this discussion.
My point which is still valid is that making dabs out of trash buds or shake is not healthy for patients, or do you really think patients should be smoking mildew and botrytis infected plants made into BHO extract? I also stick to my belief that the whole BHO concentrate fad is because of supply and demand economics, people know they can get additional income from shake or buds, too often with mold or mildew. I believe right or wrong that when the prices of herb are so cheap that people will just toss their shake or any buds with mildew or mold and make dry sift or water hash. These BHO extracts are often not good for patients, wise up....
Then there is the points of Dale and Chris, which I dismiss as they are a problem with people smoking to much to fast, they just need to learn how to smoke stron Cannabis materials, like do not stand up right after taking a big hit. People that don't will continue to break noses and teeth...
-SamS
Then there is the points of Dale and Chris, which I dismiss as they are a problem with people smoking to much to fast, they just need to learn how to smoke stron Cannabis materials, like do not stand up right after taking a big hit. People that don't will continue to break noses and teeth...
-SamS
You "overdosed" on half an elbow's worth of oil?
- PUSSY!!
Seriously though, is that what we are talking about here?
Accidentally ingesting ½ a pound's worth of THC?
Is that what the average dabber uses?
Could you not find a more inappropriate context to come up with?
Hey kids, whatever you do, do not ingest half a pound's worth of bud!!!
You know what? I'd consider that amount an overdose too.
But it's hardly what we're talking about here, is it? Sheeesh...
