Dab on this, then attempt to build a 12k growroom

[DabOnDabs]

I agree with dsw the 8" isnt enough. Ds ill tell ya as an internet friend i think you're being a bit harsh but you know correct cfm needs. Lets all chill and help each other here in a friendly manner

Unbelievable.

 

[mowood3479]

Im with ya dabs.. I read the thread n i thought dsw was trolling. U did mention several times that the build was in progress.. Good luck

 

[reg24]

Im with ya dabs.. I read the thread n i thought dsw was trolling. U did mention several times that the build was in progress.. Good luck

What he said

Reg

 

[Jericho Mile]

wow...though knowledgable...that dry sift dude was a little pecker. Sucks to watch a condescending dick fuck up a thread...

 

[DrySiftWizard]

Oh and two other things You definitely need more in room circulation fans. Too many people skip on this extremely important principal of room building, and end up with less yield and mold as a direct result (the problem just amplifies with more lights and plants). Second, keep in mind that once you attach a carbon filter to any fan it's only producing maybe 50-60% of it's rated cfm (less if you bought cheap fans). Doesn't look like you do, but had you needed to add duct you'd be getting even less cfm (i.e 1 90 deg turn in duct costs you ~40% of your fan's cfm). OVERKILL is under rated, sooner you figure this out the better you're life will be. Trust me

Yep.

His advice is worthless to me... He's an arrogant prick...

Worthless? So again, are you claiming to myself and everyone else that @ the ripe age of 23, your 3rd grow ever you've got it nailed and you defeated science and botany, right?

You're kidding, I assume? Because this just proves you're being an arrogant kid yourself. I'm a prick? And? Am I wrong? NO, i'm not.

Also, the inability to read in this thread would have saved a ton of bickering! It's not fucking done yet, ... I already said 6 pages back that if one 12 wasn't enough I would add the other 8 inch fan.

And apparently you still aren't able to do simple math. Have you ever built a room with 2 separate intakes like you're talking about? I am willing to bet it's a big fat "NO".. and you have no idea what you're doing (but that's clear). Using 2 different intake fans is going to screw up the pressure in the room.. though i'm not sure you even care since you already admitted you were basically doing that on PURPOSE.. which is 100% backwards according to any book you read or horticulturist you talk to. (Me).

Thank you all for your amazing advice, it was greatly appreciated. I'm done updating this thread have a nice day

You're done updating because you thought you were going to get everyone on here sucking you off. That's not going to happen when you're doing things WRONG, and it's blatantly obvious you're not willing to even take simple advice from more experienced growers.

For the guys named Jericho and Reg and the other guy, link me to your contributions to this thread if you're going to sit there and talk. Did you try to help him?

I'm arrogant? Nope, i'm confident, because i've done this many times, and far bigger and involved.. for the past 12 ish years. This isn't my 3rd grow.

And i'm glad you think making a small batch of BHO is impressive to everyone on here. Newsflash: It's not.

You're just another kid who hopped on here thinking he was the shit and had allllll the answers.

Guess whattie? You don't. Either be humble and accept advice from others or give us a solid reason why you think the way you're doing it is better and/or correct. You can't do that, which is why you're mad right meow. Simple science and horticulture say you're wrong, as do many other people in this thread. Are you here to learn or pretend you already know everything there is to know?

Go ahead and stop updating it.. that's just you proving to everyone who is reading this that I was right and you got pissy because you realized it.

Cheers.

 

[DrySiftWizard]

I've done 2 4k watt grows In a non insulated garage w/ a 8'' intake and an 8'' exhaust no problem...I still am having a hard time finding the problem.

Yeah man.. since you did 4kw with an 8" intake/exhaust, CLEARLY the same shit should work for 12kw....

Obviously we're talking to somebody who is a real professional in the room building arena.

How much do you get paid to build efficient rooms for patients? I want to know what you charge others to build them rooms.

Since you clearly know what you're doing after 2 of them and I have no doubt there's a long line of people just begging for your help in the Colorado area.

 

[DrySiftWizard]

Im with ya dabs.. I read the thread n i thought dsw was trolling. U did mention several times that the build was in progress.. Good luck

What he said

Reg

wow...though knowledgable...that dry sift dude was a little pecker. Sucks to watch a condescending dick fuck up a thread...

Just because the room is 'in progress' doesn't change the fact that it's being 'done wrong'.

I guess trying to help OP = dickhead.

Please do not use my dry sift method. I am sure you haven't even seen it, but don't use it. Since i'm such an asshole who has no respect for anyone else, which is clearly proven by me wasting my time trying to help and explain WHY it's not correct.. just keep thinking that.

Just know i'm a prick who cares nothing about the safety of others or about the quality of said medicine. I haven't contributed anything to the community as a whole for sharing that, so again, don't bother reading about it or using it.

You know me and obviously you've done your homework here. Me trying to help = asshole.

Gotz it. Kthxbye.

 

[DrySiftWizard]

Enough airflow?? I know the recommended rate is 2x air exchanges per minute

30ft long x 9ft wide x 7ft high = 1890 ft^3

3 x 750CFM 8'' Fans pulling air out = 2250 ft^3 (of course that is ideal, probably closer to 2000ft^3

So my exhaust only exchanges the air 1x/ minute, which i know is not ideal, but it will almost certainly be enough.

So right off the bat you admit your room isn't up to snuff. So stop arguing with me when I tell you things you should obviously already know.

Unfortunately we're not all big ballers with 50k to drop on their dream growroom, and someone to build it for them. im workin on a budget over here..I dont have enough$ to buy 2 x 2000 CFM fans, or the carbon filters to attach them to

Yes, you did. Except you went out and blew all your money on lights you don't need.

You seem to like math. Do the math real quick for me and everyone else on how much C02 a plant can metabolize if it's not being given enough air to match the light intensity? You know there is a simple formula for that as well, yes? But you're 100% ignoring simple science. Plants will only metabolize as much oxygen as they are given provided they have enough light intensity to do so. Give them more of one or the other.. in your case tons of light, and zero air.. and you'll starve them. You won't notice it with your eyes until you fix that and do the room all over again.. then you'll get it.

Even if you add that 750 cfm you're only talking a total of ~1800 cfm coming in.. I run more than that with 6-8 lights and sometimes it can get interesting.

I also have a 1050CFM fan as an intake...Plan is to blow it down towards the ground around the edges of the long walls of the room (on both sides of the plants)...Then as it warms, it'll get sucked towards the middle and up and out the exhaust...

You blow the air directly under the canopy while the air is cool. Not after it warms up and stales. Cold air is denser than warm air and given a set volume, cold air will contain a more dense accumulation of oxygen and nitrogen, which is good for the plants. Warm air being sucked up through the canopy after being brought in and allowed to warm up will defeat the purpose of fresh air to a certain extent. Simple science.

Not sure why you're looking at this as such an utter failure and causing "droopy dying plants"

I didn't call it a failure, and those plants are in fact drooping. Simple observation.

As far as the veg pics, those are my girls, hanging out in a buddys garage while i get shit figured out over here. The environment is far from ideal, in fact there is no environment control whatsoever.., but chill the fuck out eh? They appear to be growing just fine...and are far from dying.

Suffocating plants = killing them. It's a weed. Just because it'll grow doesn't mean it's correct. Lots of people grow decent herb even though they honestly have no idea what they're doing outside of just putting light on them and watering.

Thanks for the genius reply about moving the plants. Obviously the easiest way to not stress plants while moving them is to not move them in the first place you hit the nail on the head with that one.

And to be 100% honest with you, you're right. If i could i woulda done 2 or 3 or 10 rows of lights, but real word hit me and I was constrained by the size and layout of my basement...Thus i chose to do one row of 12 lights. In the future, when i have enough money to outfit 2 rooms prostyle with CO2, I may just do that. Until then I'm gonna take the budget way out.

Yeah, no shit. So pay attention and learn something.. strange concept I knowz.

I am also not sure how you're 'constrained' by your room layout. Rectangle rooms tend to vent better than square rooms. Provided of course.. you do it correctly..

Take all 3 of those filters if you're dead set on that.. and re-position them all at the far end of the room, standing on something as simple as milk crates.. venting up and out 3 in a row. It will create a draw all the way across your room and keep the cold air flowing across the bottom.. not pulling it up and out almost before it gets a chance to do anything at the far end of the canopy. If you are in fact doing them in a row like that, the draw across the bottom is more important since it's a longer distance you're attempting to move fresh air.

You will see better results.

 

[mowood3479]

@DSW i have been reading herb forums for a decade... and your posts in this thread (accurate or not) are some of the more abusive/disrespectful and all together just uncalled for.
so u build rooms for a living... dabs is not paying u. if he wanted ur advice he would have asked. he obviously is not receptive to your tone... or your knowledge. So wtf? cant the guy have a thread without u jacking/trolling it? there arent many threads on ic as it is.
i know im probably wasting my time and you will proceed to tell me what a pussy iam, and how i cant grow for shit ...blah,blah ,blah.....
Many people need to learn from experience.... not by having anonymous internet users give them condescending advice on an unfinished and budgeted build out.

basically what im saying is its NOT about the info or knowledge you are trying to "share" with dabs... it is HOW you are saying it. Either you see it and know you are being a jerk, or you dont see it (and have trouble with human interaction in general)...
either way, as a self proclaimed "expert" in human interactions I would tell you that you are going about this all wrong... if ur goal is to get dabs to implement your proposed design changes ud do better with honey than you will with vinegar.
Also, wtf does it matter to you, if dabs builds a 12k room that is overlighted and under ventilated? It all comes out in the wash right? itll only take 3 months for that to become apparent. why not let life be the teacher... why do you have to be right? right now...
does it matter? do u have some stake in this? or are you just offended in general by not perfect grow room design?

 

[Jericho Mile]

@DSW i have been reading herb forums for a decade... and your posts in this thread (accurate or not) are some of the more abusive/disrespectful and all together just uncalled for.
so u build rooms for a living... dabs is not paying u. if he wanted ur advice he would have asked. he obviously is not receptive to your tone... or your knowledge. So wtf? cant the guy have a thread without u jacking/trolling it? there arent many threads on ic as it is.
i know im probably wasting my time and you will proceed to tell me what a pussy iam, and how i cant grow for shit ...blah,blah ,blah.....
Many people need to learn from experience.... not by having anonymous internet users give them condescending advice on an unfinished and budgeted build out.

basically what im saying is its NOT about the info or knowledge you are trying to "share" with dabs... it is HOW you are saying it. Either you see it and know you are being a jerk, or you dont see it (and have trouble with human interaction in general)...
either way, as a self proclaimed "expert" in human interactions I would tell you that you are going about this all wrong... if ur goal is to get dabs to implement your proposed design changes ud do better with honey than you will with vinegar.
Also, wtf does it matter to you, if dabs builds a 12k room that is overlighted and under ventilated? It all comes out in the wash right? itll only take 3 months for that to become apparent. why not let life be the teacher... why do you have to be right? right now...
does it matter? do u have some stake in this? or are you just offended in general by not perfect grow room design?

Ding Ding...yup. That simple

 

[Payaso]

DrySiftWizard has earned himself a week's vacation to think about adjusting his attitude.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

A bit more airflow would be better, but that's not the point at all (at this point).
DSW was just being very unfriendly, to try and say it as nicely as possible.

The growroom will work anyways, no problem. Not ideal, but Dabs will def. be allright.

The point is, you don't talk to you comrades like that. We're all in this with more or less personal risk and should stick together like buddies, not let our egos get out of hand if we feel we know something better than someone else.

You don't have to kiss everyones ass and be all sugar on top of everything, but you don't verbally beat down your fellow members either and be mr know it all and rub it in their face.

Sometimes the tone makes the music ( or not).

Let him cool his pipes a bit...

 

[Crooked8]

Dsw is knowledgable i think he can get a hot temper. He also enjoys disagreements. Ive seen it across the board in many posts of his. Usually theres an argument. Hell when him and I first conversed it was an argument. However, we both sheathed our swords and made good. He's been chill since. I think he's the type that if he feels any heat from you he busts out the flamethrower. We are on a forum and theres really no need for all the heat. Just saying dsw aint all bad. Maybe he was having a shitty day......i dunno.

 

[McKush]

Ive pm'd with dsw and hes a good chap. Lots of us here (me included big time) that are all torqued up over shit. It piles up and we lash out of perspective to the issue where it happens to er lets say un-torque. Im a dick too sometimes but just old enough now to let it roll and laugh it off. I got nothing to prove or be that defensive about. We are here because of a flower after all.



Civility at all time for all people.

 

[McKush]

Dsw's content was good too I agree Barry. I learned from him and helped me to find a basis for my ventilation plan when I needed it.

Ive pmd some "old timers" who just ignore me while dsw shared knowledge. Come back in peace dsw you have alot to offer bro.

 

[DHF]

Matters not how well experienced or knowledgeable you are if yas don`t know howta treat folks......period......

DSW came in this thread and shoved shit down everyone`s throat regardless of their opinion on what was being done and or why...Trust me.....

Many ways ta skin a mule , and although his setups might work , I assure all here that there are MANY folks in medville growing big plants with increased vegtime due to plant restrictions FAAAR less than the 18 per 12KW Dabs is about to embark on.....anyways.....

Update and continue this in vert-ville Dabs....Won`t be no bullshit go on with know-it-alls that have no manners....bet on it....

Thanks for the attitude adjustment Chris....Maybe it`ll help , but usually not....regardless....

Hope all falls into place for yas Dabs....Good luck and holler if yas need anything....

Peace...DHF.........

 

[Jericho Mile]

whats really funny tho is they left the information there.. it really is good info to know.. not sure why everyone is so pissy..

So he tried to help.. don't like it.. don't listen. Pretty simple.. but I see nobody giving him reasons why hes wrong.

...lol..you sure you are new?

 

[Crooked8]

^^lol i thought the same....that you ds??

 

[DHF]

Forgot to say that since you`ll be runnin coco/perlite in 5 gal buckets for 1+/- lb plants , go look at Blue Haze`s thread in coco section from yrs ago for a basis to work off of......

He`s who turned me onto coco waaay back when and once dialed I never looked back......"GH and coir" is the thread name , so just put it in search and you`ll be glad yas did....

He handwatered once a day DTW and the bitches blew up with the bare bulbs and proper watts per sq ft....anyways...

Glad ta see the active intake down low as needed.....I always try to preach creating a "vortex" of air moving "around , underneath , and above" the plants but never ON em so as to not increase transpiration/sweating that`ll cause nutrient uptake issues at some point that in turn fucks with ph....

Any time you see your plant`s leaves "taco-ing" , it means they`re sweating too much from excess heat/air movement , and or humidity too low and it can happen easy with major air exchange trust me.........

Good luck...DHF........

 

[DHF]

Decided to answer your pm in the thread so all can learn about options for dialing environment instead of absolutes being shoved down folk`s throats.....and for the record....

I`m not here trying to discount what DSW was screamin cuz he`s right for the most part with rectangular rooms , but there ARE no absolutes in dialing environment regardless of how it`s obtained , and his delivery system sux balls with his condescending attitude , thus why he`s on sabbatical to reflect and hopefully re-adjust.....now....

I don`t see a damn thing wrong with your setup as far as fresh air comin in from both ends and being exhausted up and out constantly in the middle of the 9 x 30 rectangle.....

Proof`s in da puddin , and the only wayta dial said space is ta run it and see with both ends hittin the middle as well as all the wall fans oscillating up down and all around but not ON the plants.....but....

I still and always will preach air exchange twice per minute to prevent the plants starving for CO2 as DSW alluded to , if not sealed w/CO2 supplements......anyways....

I say keep the thread goin Bro......We ALL gotta learn regardless of age or grows under our belts , so as long as knowledge is gained why not keep the ball rollin......

Trollin , no matter if under the guise of trying to help is STILL trollin with all the snide remarks and condescending comments made by DSW , so hopefully the thread can move on and getchas to the grow and Harvey end of things....

Good luck...DHF.........