Is Serious Seeds Kali Mist still good?

[siftedunity]

a large portion of seeds on sale now will show the parent plants at least. Most of the time its part of the selling point eg whitefire or whatever.. Theres always the chance of breeders being dishonest about lineage but you get that in any walk of life.

 

[Mate Dave]

I'd like to know why people think that parent plants that were selected as part of potential million £$E£$E business operation would simply be lost in a raid, just because the Dutch seed industry changed when people got busted because weed started to smell. As if parent plants that were selected as part of potential million £$E£$E business operations would simply be lost in a raid.

Maybe the reason there's none of the old lines grown for the coffeshop trade is the old connections don't want to raise eyebrows and because most of the strains said lost are involved in other hybrids which didn't make the final cut at one seed bank but were sold on to another company to make money and share great weeds.

Haze
Haze
Skunk male
Skunk female
NL#1 2 5 plants
Basic 5 plants
afghani x skunk
bigbud

Where are these plants then,, all were commercially viable and produced in mass back in those days, In the UK we still have a lot of the old clones about, I can't believe for one minute that Dutch master growers lost plants of such significant value and all the effort to beed them.

Even Sensiseeds how do you fcuk that up, its just cloning nowadays, to produce strains with mass selection already done there is no effort involved now. If Sensiseeds has gone down the pan it can only be greed or jealousy and worker related.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Mate Dave

There are videos on You Tube with both Soma and Simon talking about losing mother plants ...

Simon was robbed and Soma was raided by police .

Sensi seed were supplied their seeds by Nevil . He didn`t give the parent stock to Mr Dronkers . So when Nevil stopped work, their access to Nevil`s parents stopped . Similar story @ Green House .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Jericho Mile]

Sorry from the delay guys... First of all, I want to apologize to all the users for wasting their time and keeping all this drama going on, but after this call out, I’ve felt obliged to reply to such strong accusations made by Simon. I’m not willing to consent anybody to manipulate what I’ve said and I demand the respect and the manners I’m trying to keep to anyone who wants to debate with some finesse. My time is as valuable as anyone else's and believe me, replying to this took a while... I know that most won't take the time to read it with attention, specially Simon, who has already proven he reads what he wants and the nerves keep him out of focus.

I'm so honored by this last intervention, Serious Seeds’ front man himself finally taking some time from his busy agenda to attend his customers personally (why all this big seedbanks always delegate on employees to attend the forums, where customers are and first hand info is needed?). It’s good that you took part in the community as well; after all, it’s your business to care about customers and their problems. But it was pretty predictable that you could appear sooner or later. Sad thing is that you only do it after sensitive threads that could hurt Serious Seeds renowned fame and could certainly result in a sales/reputation drop.

Anyway, I want to remind you that this thread wasn’t at the Serious Seed sub forum but in the main Strains & Hybrids forum, where someone simply asked if the KM strain was what it used to be, and like it or not, we are here to share our experiences and opinions. So it wasn’t meant to be for posting pictures or Serious grows as you said, like the ones in your room.

The author got some dead honest replies because we all know that neither AK47, or Kali Mist and most of the classic strains from the 90s (Blueberry, Sensi Star, White Widow, Jack Herer and so on) remained as good as they used to be, the exact reason to this is still unknown but it seems to be something common among many classic strains. That’s why so many people are chasing good elite clones and old F2 seeds saved in their time capsules, or why reproductions from rescued old seeds get so many hype. Things were quiet unless some people got over sensitive. You, as a seed company making profit for us customers, are exposed to our opinions even more and that’s how it should be (you are charging us for a product you deliver). Problem is that instead of caring about customers or delivering a decent product, you care mostly about keeping sales up or raising them and avoiding polemics at the forums. You should go back to the lab instead and refine your product and stop expecting that everything could be solved with free seed packets. Anyway my opinions are based simply on mine and many other growers’ experiences I’ve been reading for years, just like all the information I took the time to gather, put together and share with everybody. It was available on the net for anyone curious enough, but obviously more dispersed.



I’m glad you liked the bird’s joke… to be honest and for the record, it’s not mine but from a knowledgeable Spanish grower who wrote about it in the past. So I clearly stated “Some even said…” before it, then your message doesn’t make any sense because I didn’t invent anything. Here what we are discussing it’s just the present quality of your strains (against what it used to be) or your skills and methods of breeding; a topic that you seem to avoid. Nobody is disrespecting anyone. Anyway, 10 years ago it’s around 90s, that’s in many people’s opinion, probably the last time Serious did some serious breeding as well (until the Serious 6 try?). Also in 1998 dutch police banned cultivation for seed production, so basically it's true that all the mass breeding done in Holland, stopped around 2000 (and with it, probably the quality started to decay as well).



We know that saying about the bells too, we have it in Spain as well but apart from admitting I have most situations and names right, you didn’t prove anything wrong yet. Denying everything and calling me liar and asking what kind of drugs I have won’t prove anything, it just leaves you in a poor position. The only thing you did was complaining about the bird’s joke and giving useless information about Argentinian Cups that nobody needed. Keep on keeping on.



Yeah we all know that already and of course the names and strains were yours, but you created them with previous works from other breeders. I never said Shantibaba or Neville were the only breeders behind Serious’ strains but probably the source of the strains used to breed them (by the way, Shanti and Nev did great stuff and obviously had a big impact on the “Eurocanna” business explosion but nothing revolutionary like what's been done in USA, for me they are 3rd generation breeders already, brand new school, u know?). That’s the point here and the things I’ve said in my post. If you think it’s ok to release and make profit from strains created and maybe sold by other people, great for you. We all know it’s what most breeders do. But the fact that it sadly become common practice, doesn’t mean its ethical or the right approach with breeding. There are other new school great breeders who create new strains from their own sources and if they may work with other breeder’s creations and genetics, they are honest with the lineages or even ask for the blessings if needed. Otherwise, if your strains were created from heirloom lines from all over the world that you've brought and keep working since those trips, why not adding that to the strain info like the great breeders do, providing valuable info on the strains? I think everybody can guess why... I bet that skunk, afghan, northern lights and so on won't be such a novelty at the descriptions. At least with the Bubblegum it seems to be quite honest, so we all can see such a big breeding effort done with a strain that was already fantastic when it arrived to Europe from the states and sold as is. Such a big breeding work! Just like AK and Chronic, created during the Cerebral Seeds existence wih material sourced at Sensi (few months as you stated).



Of course there is a source for this “rumours”, it’s well known information for the enthusiast, of course one must be careful and know how to sieve information and sources. Anyway, you need to understand that it’s not me or any other current or past Serious customer who really needs to be questioned or prove himself (neither his opinions or freedom of speech)… we are not selling anything, nor competing for who’s best grower or anything like that. It’s certainly Serious Seeds and their plants the ones who should be proved and stand on their boundaries, especially when so many people ask the same question. Let the plants speak for themselves! I’m tired about reading the same comments from people after growing your strains, just Google it! Even you had a happy customer a few posts before who was unhappy with the last feminised batches; now that’s pure statistics and it proves how common it is. And if your company feels the need to worry that much about some lies and gossiping on the forums as you say, it’s only because you have much to loose with all this, anybody can see this (don’t forget the seedbanks are simply another form of business companies selling a product with the goal of profiting and raising th sales). Do you think that good reputable breeders as Sam Skunkman, CBG/ACE, Tom Hill, DJ Short, Chimera, etc… are having this ridiculous issues or will care about a few bad comments? They don’t firstly because they are humble with the information, plants are decent, and in the case they aren’t, they take them from the market or go back to the lab and solve the problems and deal with customers. With good practices, few unhappy growers have still any reason to complain. Keep in mind that not all the growers will be ok to be manipulated with some free seeds and marketing tactics. Some of us have ideals and morals not only as persons but as growers and members of the cannabis culture too. And that’s what we demand.



We all know you worked at Sensi and then started cerebral seeds with Tony, being that the reason why you guys had the same genetics for your seedbanks. But having a great memory for the copies of all the people who wanted to take advantage on the AK47 fame, doesn’t prove anything else than your good memory. How does retaining names can deny anything? what if you retained all the knock-off names for your acclaimed Ak47?? Who cares about it? After all, only other mediocre seedbanks will sell AK47 copies or F2 seeds instead of developing better strains. Does it prove you’re your strains aren’t as good as they used to be? Does it reject the fact that you may have AK47, Kali and Chronic from other existing strains (hybrids from other breeders) that were well extended around Holland in that time?? Probably afghani, skunk, northern lights, Skunk X Haze, etc… and not from Thai, Cambodian, Colombian or any other landraces as you always suggested and your beautiful descriptions preach? I’m pretty sure AK it’s just a skunk cross, Chronic a Northern Lights cross and KM a Skunk Haze hybrid as it’s was said or something similar at least, but obviously you will never admit the truth, otherwise you will remain like a total liar and you company will loose all the credit. We all expect that already man, so you can sit back and relax.

That’s also why all the greedy breeders always sell their seeds under different fancy names besides their true origin and they love “secret recipe” lineages. We all know that Skunk 1 was (Mazar x Colombian)/(Mazar x Colombian) x Mexican and no one wasted ever the time in trying to copy it. It was far easier to get IBL Skunks and just make new hybrids crossing them with other strains. Same nowadays with the trendy elite cuts and so on. For me if a breeder lies or can’t be clear about his strain origins, he doesn’t deserve any credit. All this mystery just comes when they care too much about sales getting affected. And as for the name, you do not support selling a strain under a similar name like what happened with AK47 (and you even demanded they should be renamed) but selling someone’s genetics under a different and misleading name is OK?



As for the AK47 at the Indica cup… that’s another ridiculous excuse to justify your decissions. No one supposed the lineage has necessarily changed drastically but the strain did because it was obviously inbred towards more afghan/skunk expressions and phenotypes. How then those fat leaves and short flowering times in the last years? What happened to some of the 70-75 days AKs that used to appear 10+ years agoHow can you enter the indica category if the strain is supposed to be a sativa and remains the same? How can end such nice overall plant end like a mostly indica (sometimes autoflowering, as some people reported, check the amazing responses from Serious here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=256754) and couchlocking-stupifying-high strain? Was it magic? Maybe some inexperienced growers will believe this stuff: yeah AK47 is such a great strain that it has won either sativa and indica cups and it’s the strain it always was (but now, surprisingly it will just put you to sleep like most commercial genetics nowadays). C’mon, sounds a bit like a joke for the serious grower. So the strain hasn’t changed at all in all this time?? Well, I don’t think so and it happens so often that no one will get surprised.



All the stuff you are saying it’s totally senseless, when you are asked straight with questions on your products, you always try to find what to reply in other's growers opinions rather than professional responses from someone who should know everything about his plants… backing yourself up with stories and things like this, about an user who apparently grew KM and found out that they couldn’t be the same genetics because the taste and effect were different… seriously what kind of logical reason is that? You totally discredit yourself. How do you want us to think you guys are serious?? Cheese, Critical Mass and a whole pile of different plants came from the same Skunk genetics too. And how many strains came from the Skunk + Haze combination?? Skunk X Haze? NL5/Haze? Super Silver Haze, Jack Herer, C99, Amnesia Haze, SAGE?? And do they all smell and flower the same or have the same characteristics?? Hell, no! So honestly I don’t understand the point on that.

As for the Kali Mist lineage… let me tell you that it was Tony Sagarmatha himself at a private meeting with other Spanish breeders and friends at Spannabis fair around 10 years ago, who said the Kali Mist was a work done with old Skunk X Haze plants being selected in Holland (at least the legit Pre 1998 KM!!!). This info was shared by one of those Spanish breeders on the net as well for information purposes and without any interests. But hey! It’s the same damn old story, isn’t it? it happened so many times in the cannabis industry that we won’t keep believing the seed companies bullshit no more! Maybe you need to clear things up with Tony who was the first saying that, but after seeing all you seed bank ethics, I firmly believe it was true. How did he have this information? What kind of interests could he have on that? who knows the truth, for sure you won’t be the one telling or admitting anything. Anyway, we all know you didn’t made KM from real landraces (a with the other strains) and all that breeder bullshit it’s been said about KM. We know that almost no one is doing nor did hybrids from real landraces or heirloom lines in Holland since the 80s, simply because it wasn’t their goal, they just wanted to make money fast and easy selling seeds (so spending years in breeding a strain wasn’t among their plans). Thus, they started mixing existing strains as skunk, haze, northern lights and so on; and kept the tricks and secrets behind curtains of mystery. Man we’ve listened to that story so many times and from so many people and strains that now we honestly can’t believe it (unless it comes from the mouth of a well renowned and respected breeder with plenty facts to back him up). It’s like when seedbanks say they’ve made their amazing strains from Brazilian, Colombian, Afghan and Mexican genetics when the liars are just maybe selling White Widow X Skunk or even worse, S1 seeds from clones they got! C’mon, most are breeding indoors or in closets and releasing strains every year! What did you expect?? Crazy breeding like the one made in USA or Switzerland decades ago?



It’s obvious that you are feeling now the urgent need to solve this issue otherwise Serious Seeds reputation could be “seriously” questioned by many growers reading ICMAG. Taking the time to reply personally at the forums and just complain about the crap and hidden interests against you, doesn’t mean we will believe you. We all now MOST breeders lie to get more respect and sales. They lie on their genetics sources, they misuse strain names, they lie many times on so many stuff just in order to get more credit, fame, market quote and money, as simple as this. If even the most well know respected breeders sometimes trick us a little bit to get our interest, do you really think we will believe and respect what all this big capitalist seed companies as Green House, Serious Seed, Soma, Dinafem and others can say when they were already caught in so many lies and manipulation? I’m sorry, that won’t happen. It’s too late as they have lost their credibility already! It’s a shame that so many growers from the community have their eyes blinded, or how many American growers see this euro-seedbanks or Amsterdam as the fucking grail, something crazy whey they have much better stuff there, more pot culture and the prices of imported European seeds are just ridiculous (just like weed in Amsterdam), well, they have to pay all the expenses from transporting and mass-producing them in Spain and still make bills, so hence the prices!

The serious companies and breeders don’t have any need to keep “secret genetics” recipes away from cannabis enthusiasts or customers spending money in their seeds (who in fact deserve the utmost deference and respect from seedbanks for having invested on them). That’s the main point with Serious and with most seed companies, seed sellers and business men, against real cannabis lovers, enthusiast breeders and honest people who love the plant and the community more than the money they can make out from it.

People will question stuff when they have reasons for it… and Serious Seeds has certainly made some wrong decisions in the past, so now, they are just reaping what they have sown. Be it the changes in the genetics that even you guys admitted in the past, the marketing mistakes or many other things that simply have given out the impression of mediocrity and lack of ethics for the seed company towards its customers. If you were the serious company you preach, I’m sure everything will be much different. Because honestly, if you guys always say you’d rather stay with a small catalogue with proved quality, how can so many growers be upset or disappointed with your strains in the last years (otherwise why the pre98 fever or the people chasing old fruity and sativa AK47s phenos ever could happen?), what happened with the quality minimums? If you guys want respect from the community, maybe you (and most seedbanks) should change something, for a start you could:

- Be honest with lineages, genetics and breeding work, real breeders don’t need secret recipes because their breeding masterpieces can’t be replicated even having the same genetics. Also good and legit info for the advanced grower and customer who wants to know what is he really growing and not just fancy names and hype.

- Be honest when parents are lost and changes are made on the strains… if strain changed substantially or was inbred, why the strains are sold under the same names? Who no one explains this to customers? Do you keep all your parent plants since the 90s and which ones have you guys lost, resulting in changes on the strains? What changes happened and how they affected the strain characteristics? Why lies are made when customers ask about this changes? Why there is lack of info on the strains?

- Be honest when there are problems with your products and the customers, instead of always saying it never happened before and blaming the growers or delegating on employees who are told what to say and given templates to reply: our strains have won lots of cups, our strains are the same as always, it must be grower’s fault and so on. And seriously nobody cares about the cups!! Only the worst companies are showing off with the cups thing and they mean absolutely nothing! Maybe one was statistically the best plant entering the cup or it was a good selection against poor plants and so on. After all, who goes to cups? The best breeders? The best growers? I don’t think so, just those who could benefit from wining cups. It’s a senseless marketing tactic to say the least. Seeds are just plants; they aren’t mass made mechanical pieces, so sometimes you can’t predict them. We need honest breeders that can assume this.

Anyway, as for all the other things you said, many experienced and respected growers and members of the community believe that most of the strains you are selling, came in one or another way from third party genetics, Kali Mist, AK and Chronic probably from Sensi’s time and Bubblegum from USA. And then, your amazing breeding work started, making some cool crosses from great genetics and then adding some White Widow as well in 1995 to make the most of the the cannabis cups being won and white strains becoming a big trend in Amsterdam (as I’ve already said). No one said you are selling strains from other breeders as is (but certainly using them to develop your strains). So it’s just about being honest about the strain origins or the possible quality drops on them. It seems you guys don’t spend enough time at the lab and way too much behind the computers and desks. Especially nowadays, with so many seedbanks and great growers, you can’t live forever from the past fame/success and plants need to be top notch more than ever. But well, I need to say that sadly nowadays, the best seed banks seem to be those who invest the more in marketing and as a consequence, they sell more (even if they sell mediocre products).

So that’s how it is Simon, I’m not the one who needs to prove anything. If you really want to talk to us about good strains and breeding or something interesting (apart from praise your fantastic catalogue and discredit any opinion that may differ), you can start posting pictures of them, bring interesting and legit information about their history, how you got the parents, the clones kept, the breeding stages, the developing of your famous strains and all that we growers love… just providing honest info and anything that possible customers will like to have, as reputable breeders do. Thus, you will get the community respect and mine too. And get this in your head: selling a lot has nothing to do with delivering great strains or being a great seedbank.

Last but not least, I need to remark that I honestly don’t have anything against Serious, Greenhouse or anything like that. In fact, there was a time when I used to love them and think they were the best seed companies! But when someone gets more experience, gets his job done and refines his criteria, one just needs to pass the page and forget about the commercial strains with frequently bland potency and lack of characte, to find what you really love and share what you have learned in such path. This is not just about taking from the community and from the plant, one needs to give something as well, even if it’s just some love and experiences that came with the time. I don't get absolutely any benefit neither loss by posting my experiences and opinions in a forum, so what's the point on having the hate you say I have for a seed company I don't give a damn about? I'm just informing other growers so they can give it a think before doing purchases.

Congratulations to all those who reached this point and thanks a lot for your time. Peace to all and to Serious crew as well, my best wishes for your seed company too but I’d rather focus more on quality and satisfy the customers, specially the old customers (and avoid loosing them because of bad results, like it’s happening now) instead of following your common strategies, proved to be wrong. They are stopping you from spending more time at the lab and that’s exactly where breeders should be. I’d also appreciate if you stop writing my name and whining, this is a forum and I’m free to give my opinion. You have a seedbank to attend and I have other things to do apart from discussing about Kali Mist, so let’s move on.

P.S: Damn, nothing personal but it’s a fact that we will be much better if a big percentage of the mediocre commercial seed companies disappear. Because they are just robbing people and polluting the cannabis gene pool, misinforming many growers and changing the cannabis scene for worst.

INFO:



Seed Buyer said:





Simon Said:







KM not only had 2 changes, the first in 1997, when it was mixed to afghan to cut flowering and improve production. Customers complained so much, that Serious felt themselves forced to do something with it. The KM sold since 2000 (2nd change), it's just a remade because in 1998 or 1999, Serious have lost the parent plants due to a police raid. So nowadays, there is much more variation and it's longer flowering. This is the reason why the Pre 98 KM fever started and why some prefered the Western Winds, a strain that never changed. Maybe people like some nice phenos from the new KM, but that's not the point, for god's sake!!

From an interview:



Ganja on AK:





Vibes.

Time for some sunshine homez

 

[Mate Dave]

I'm not going to disrespect Simon or Soma, they breed weed that is world class but they are not on the level that Neville was or what shantibaba is. Or Sam Skunkman, Neville was a pioneer and had bagseed with excellent pegigree and good knowledge. A conversation with shantibaba will inform you of how knowledgeable he is with cannabis, ask him if you don't know about his strains he knows them inside out and will tel you what to expect from his seed as do Soma and Simon with there work, Has shanti got more to do? Has he been Busted? There is a difference between these two classes of growers, one is a business man who will do anything to make worthy plants survive the other is a hobbyist with poor business security. Its the sheer scale of the growing that was done by people in the 80's that made weed what it is today, its the plants that were produced way back when that were forced into scientific breeding programs and those that make the cut that people liked and that made them famous. The forsight to do what they did with the seed is excellent don't you think?

 

[Claude]

bump

 

[NorCalDreaming]

Id like to thank you personally...kali mist is my all time fave sativa..hats off to you...truely a masterpiece...
PEACE

Been off the forums for a long time and saw this thread. Kali Mist is my all time favorite strain. Got 3 phenos of clones from Berkeley Patients Group back in about 2005. I've yet to find anything that smoked as good as one of those phenos. Like smoking Nag Champa incense with a crystal clear, soaring spiritual high. Hopefully Serious has done a good job keeping up the quality.

 

[siftedunity]

I'm not going to disrespect Simon or Soma, they breed weed that is world class but they are not on the level that Neville was or what shantibaba is. Or Sam Skunkman, Neville was a pioneer and had bagseed with excellent pegigree and good knowledge. A conversation with shantibaba will inform you of how knowledgeable he is with cannabis, ask him if you don't know about his strains he knows them inside out and will tel you what to expect from his seed as do Soma and Simon with there work, Has shanti got more to do? Has he been Busted? There is a difference between these two classes of growers, one is a business man who will do anything to make worthy plants survive the other is a hobbyist with poor business security. Its the sheer scale of the growing that was done by people in the 80's that made weed what it is today, its the plants that were produced way back when that were forced into scientific breeding programs and those that make the cut that people liked and that made them famous. The forsight to do what they did with the seed is excellent don't you think?

well im guessing that throughout the last 20 years some of the plants lost vigour and they got to a point where it was too hard to bring them back.
same as with the g13, im pretty sure nevil said that it lost vigour and they couldn't keep it alive.
as always though its all speculation for us guys online.

 

[Serious Simon]

Answer to Mustafunk, post #99.
In my answers I'll try to answer as accurate as I can without taking so much space. If you or anyone else think I try to not answer certain things then post it again, it is not my intention to skip things. When responding I try to give multiple answers at once, because I cannot answer all the time. The reason is like you wrote; we are busy and cannot read and answer all threads all the time, our priority is reading email and helping people who mail to us directly. This is after all a platform for experiences and opinions of growers.

This thread is about Kali Mist, so if people write about their positive experiences and post pics which are generally great, then I am happy and proud to see this. What is wrong with that?

We take pride in the fact that we care about our customers, and there are many how can testify to that. Why you think we do not care is a mystery to me. We are used to give free seeds if people have a bad experience somehow, in order to give them a good result. It is my philosophy that growers should have a good experience when buying Serious Seeds. Thats why we have the guarantee on our seeds. And also give seeds to people who write a grow journal on a forum. What is wrong with that? It is to let the seeds and the resulting plants talk for themselves. I fail to see why you are against this.

Yes, I was asking you from where you had your info, because you had some names right but the total was nonsense. So I gave my side of the story, how Tony from Sagarmatha convinced me to start our first seed company which ended soon.

The fact that we nowadays base our work on other peoples efforts in the past is like an open door. We all do, everybody does. It was Darwin who already said that he was merely standing on the shoulders of giants with his work. And this continues and goes on. That is how culture or science for that matter work. You are wrong however if you name Shantibaba as a predecessor of my work; Shantibaba started his work after me.

It is like you say; we like the seeds and the plants to speak for themselves. But sometimes people have bad experiences, and we like to help them out. With advise or with free seeds. What is wrong with that? This is still the approach of letting the seeds speak for themselves, which you say you like.

The fact that Kali Mist beat Super Lemon Haze was mentioned by me because this was questioned in this thread, read it back.

We have always tried to be honest in our descriptions of our plants and their pedigree. So you can read that Chronic is based on Northern Lights for example. Bubble Gum was derived from plants already bred in the USA, all of this is no secret, it is to be found on our site, and elsewhere. That I have changed the genetic make up of plants at certain points is also written about. No mysterious stuff, we explain it. But if we didn't change the genetic make up we say this also.

But if you state that Kali Mist is a Skunk / Haze hybrid because Tony from Sagarmatha said this, then I have to say; you have the freedom to choose who you believe. Me, or someone who had a failed business attempt with me and never was a breeder or a grower at all in those days. May be this has changed since, could be, but the question remains how Tony should know what is in my genetics? He was never in my lab.

And yes, to me it is fine if others use Serious Seeds' genetics to create something else. I have no problem with that and even like it when they mention this in the description. Like we do also. But it is of course a total other matter, if people start to sell seeds under the exact same name. It is weird that you not seem to understand the difference. It would be very chaotic if all those new seed companies start selling the same names like for example AK-47. This would create absolute chaos and uncertainty if all companies sell seeds under the same names.

I think that much of the differences being discussed in this and other threads comes from the fact that other "seed companies" sold AK-47 of different quality, but under the same name. We know that some even copied our packaging! Hence we fight against the usage of our original names. It is in the interest of everyone to do so. Those "companies" are really only interested in making money over the backs of growers and our good name, smearing that good name in the process.


Unchanged AK-47 being entered in the indica category was explained several times. The year before I did this there was weed entered in the sativa category at the Can. Cup which was clearly more indica, and vice versa. That was the reason to do this. A reaction to that practice. Not because the plant had become more indica. That is simply how it is, and why would I have a reason to lie? I cannot make it more then it is.

As you might know AK-47 was named as such because even in its early days people dropped off their barstools in coffee shops in A'dam. Back then it already was a mostly sativa with an indica stone creeping up on you after the initial sativa high. The same effect you describe that AK-47 has now, so you proof yourself that that hasn't changed, thank you. And hence the name, a peaceful way of bringing people down; our AK-47. Many years ago I already designed a t-shirt with a man lying smiling on the floor 'Another AK-47 victim' as text. But I felt it was unethical to do this, with so many people killed by the real AK-47 gun. We never sold that T-shirt.

Serious Seeds is not really a booming business with a lot of merchandise like T-shirts etc, as you describe us. This is because we put all of our efforts in producing first class seeds, and helping out customers. Not in marketing. Failed batches of seeds will never be sold, I prefer to sell none in stead. And so then we are out of stock. And sometimes we try to proof the quality of our seeds by giving free seeds to people who make a grow report for all to see. You have a lot of criticism about this, but isn't the growing of the seeds the proof of the pudding? Why are you against that practice? That is after all what people want to know; that the seeds are still good.

 

[NorCalDreaming]

This thread is about Kali Mist, so if people write about their positive experiences and post pics which are generally great, then I am happy and proud to see this. What is wrong with that?

Wish I had pictures. Of the 3 phenos I had I ended up pollinating the only indica leaning plant. It didn't lean that way too much lol. I gave a bunch to a friend in Mendocino responsible for running large farms and the beans became the foundation for his breeding program and still works with the genetics to this day. Wish I had pollinated the sativa pheno I mentioned. I still cry to this day over not pollinating that cut. It was epic and I've been smoking on and off since 1976 so have tried a few things

I actually did interact with Tony at Sagarmatha some years back. I sent him some beans of a mutant purple Early Riser cross, to the same Kali Mist male whose pollen I used, and he sent me some Western Winds beans. I never grew those out though and we never talked about the heritage.

 

[Carraxe]

I crossed my selected Kali male with some sativa-leaning weeds like Jack Herer and Rosetta Stone. Let's see what comes out from there. i hope it comes better, since I think that the original KM seeds I planted were way worse than expected, after flowering them for 14 weeks and curing for a couple of months.

Look elsewere for real sativa experience

 

[nachoconqueso]

It was Newton not Darwin.

 

[420247]

I bought these (15 seeds) back in '02 or '03 from gypsy when he only had a sub forum on overgrow and his site was Seeds Direct.

The plants came out exactly as described and I was very happy with them. Thank you Serious Seeds

 

[MostlyMe]

So now I am confused again. What would be my best bet for getting the most clear high with as less indica influence as possible? Kali or Western Winds? I cannot pheno hunt: I will grow out only 1 seed (alongside some other sativa strains).

 

[NorCalDreaming]

So now I am confused again. What would be my best bet for getting the most clear high with as less indica influence as possible? Kali or Western Winds? I cannot pheno hunt: I will grow out only 1 seed (alongside some other sativa strains).

I've heard mixed things about Western Winds. Rarely anything bad about Kali Mist. Even the indica leaning cut I had ripped your head open. Was just a bit dreamy. That's cuts and not seeds though.

 

[AshitMyself]

I have just started my kali mist seeds they only have 4 nodes but they are stinking big time which surpised me as I heard these were low odour in veg all of them so far are indica lookng leafs

 

[Homebrewer]

I have just started my kali mist seeds they only have 4 nodes but they are stinking big time which surpised me as I heard these were low odour in veg all of them so far are indica lookng leafs

Many 'sativas' start out with broad leaves but they'll definitely get thinner as the plant gets taller.

 

[NorCalDreaming]

Many 'sativas' start out with broad leaves but they'll definitely get thinner as the plant gets taller.

Yeah that.

 

[HOVAH2.0]

It is my philosophy that growers should have a good experience when buying Serious Seeds.;

Enough said!
Simon basically said what I already knew Serious Seeds was all about!
I really wish you guys would offer Tshirts and hats!

 

[HOVAH2.0]

About 12 years ago I made an illegal purchase for MJ seeds thur the mail. Those seeds I bought were for Kali Mist 12seed Regular, and so began my love affair for growing my own bud! And still today it is the best Sativa i every smoked.