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I encourage all the growers I meet to use organic methods.
This year the only "pesticides" I used was lavender from my garden and dr. Bronners Peppermint soap.
I didn't treat one plant that was given to me, and of course it ended up being full of spider mites.
This is a shame and a major health issue that people should be aware of.
I encourage all the growers I meet to use organic methods.
This year the only "pesticides" I used was lavender from my garden and dr. Bronners Peppermint soap.
I didn't treat one plant that was given to me, and of course it ended up being full of spider mites.
also from the article:
really, just shut it down and clean it up if ya's run into unwanted pests. when u begin again, change your clothes before entering grow rooms, maintain clean grow rooms, and no pets. i also prefer growing from seeds. green house and outdoor growers...hmm, don't know.
Stay away from azamax, azatrol, aza-sol and other 'organic' products that use Azadirachtin.
I have a long blog post about it but I'm not allowed to link it here. *shrug* Not going to type it again. You'll see more news about azadirachtin as legal cannabis brings it to more people.
Keep it Clean!
p.s. They're calling aza poisoning "Cannabis Hyperemesis" I'm almost 100% positive of this.
I have a long blog post about it but I'm not allowed to link it here. *shrug* Not going to type it again. You'll see more news about azadirachtin as legal cannabis brings it to more people.
Keep it Clean!
p.s. They're calling aza poisoning "Cannabis Hyperemesis" I'm almost 100% positive of this.
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Thats one reason for my 2014 resolution........NO MORE MEXICAN SWAG for meSpicySativa
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Stay away from azamax, azatrol, aza-sol and other 'organic' products that use Azadirachtin.
I have a long blog post about it but I'm not allowed to link it here. *shrug* Not going to type it again. You'll see more news about azadirachtin as legal cannabis brings it to more people.
Keep it Clean!
Can you give us a quick reason for why you say to avoid these products? The active ingredient is derived from neem, which is widely accepted as safe.
I don't spray anything for pests, but you've got me curious...
Azadirachtin causes all over muscle tension, stomach cramping and in extreme poisoning cases spontaneous vomiting.
Doesn't matter if you use it before you start flower on indoor grows... it's still there. Sensitive people will have issues after smoking for a week. Use it later in flower and less sensitive people will have issues after a while.
Took me 2 years to figure this out because it's extremely subtle until you reach a level of bio-accumulation and know what you're looking for. Only reason I figured it out is I've never used those products before and have only had the issues with azadirachtin treated meds.
Keep it Clean!
I find it stupid that other people are allowed to post links to information on my blog that I've posted to help people... but I'm not. I can post links to commercial websites... but not my own information. Gotta love the archaic tou here.
Per Skip's allowance: My initial post on Azadirachtin and a re-poisoning episode... TheCleanGame.Net/azadirachtin
Doesn't matter if you use it before you start flower on indoor grows... it's still there. Sensitive people will have issues after smoking for a week. Use it later in flower and less sensitive people will have issues after a while.
Took me 2 years to figure this out because it's extremely subtle until you reach a level of bio-accumulation and know what you're looking for. Only reason I figured it out is I've never used those products before and have only had the issues with azadirachtin treated meds.
Keep it Clean!
I find it stupid that other people are allowed to post links to information on my blog that I've posted to help people... but I'm not. I can post links to commercial websites... but not my own information. Gotta love the archaic tou here.
Per Skip's allowance: My initial post on Azadirachtin and a re-poisoning episode... TheCleanGame.Net/azadirachtin
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Not sure why you get negative rep for spreading this info TCG. This is very important stuff. Here is a toxicology report for Azadirachtin: http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+7372
"/SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS/ Neem seed oil produced occasional diarrhea, nausea, and general discomfort when given orally as an anthelmintic."
"13, including 2 fatal, poisoning cases due to neem seed (margosa) oil, a traditional remedy in India and Malaysia, /were reported/. Five to ten milliliters of the oil given orally to children against minor ailments caused vomiting, drowsiness, tachypnea with acidotic respiration, and polymorphonuclear leukocytosis, and encephalopathy developed within hours of ingestion"
"/SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS/ Neem seed oil produced occasional diarrhea, nausea, and general discomfort when given orally as an anthelmintic."
"13, including 2 fatal, poisoning cases due to neem seed (margosa) oil, a traditional remedy in India and Malaysia, /were reported/. Five to ten milliliters of the oil given orally to children against minor ailments caused vomiting, drowsiness, tachypnea with acidotic respiration, and polymorphonuclear leukocytosis, and encephalopathy developed within hours of ingestion"
SpicySativa
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Interesting stuff. Have you found the same from pure neem oil, or just the super-concentrated aza- products?
I don't even spray neem on my cannabis, but I do use it on my outdoor veggie garden from time to time. No issues there, whatsoever.
I don't even spray neem on my cannabis, but I do use it on my outdoor veggie garden from time to time. No issues there, whatsoever.
That "toxicology report" only mentions cases where neem seed oil was purposely ingested, not Azadirachtin which is a derivative and may or may not inherit these properties. Plus you're not eating it, you're consuming something that had it sprayed on, long before it gets consumed.
I think one thing that we should be concerned about is the cumulative toxicity of smoking it, if indeed it is harmful.
I also wonder how refining the neem oil changes it. Extracts are more concentrated, but they might also remove some of the toxicity. I'm interested in reading your blog, TCG, and you're welcome to place a link, IN CONTEXT of a related thread, but not in a sig.
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How many people per year have proven side effects from neem?
33,000 per year die in car wrecks, and we deem cars safe in the US
5,000-6,000 people a year die from aspirin and we deem sprain safe in the US
I go off of numbers not what if's.
Please provide some numbers for the toxic effects. I am going to guess that they are extremely low if any actually exist.
I know that you are affected, and that probably sucks bad, but I am going to take a wild guess that you are in the minority. A major minority.
33,000 per year die in car wrecks, and we deem cars safe in the US
5,000-6,000 people a year die from aspirin and we deem sprain safe in the US
I go off of numbers not what if's.
Please provide some numbers for the toxic effects. I am going to guess that they are extremely low if any actually exist.
I know that you are affected, and that probably sucks bad, but I am going to take a wild guess that you are in the minority. A major minority.
Let's consider this... If you make edibles from the buds/leaves, and it's been heavily dosed with neem, then perhaps that one quoted report would apply. But my guess is some ppl are more sensitive than others to neem, just like with anything else.
What are ppl's experiences applying large amounts? Any effects during/after application thru inhalation or skin absorption?
What are ppl's experiences applying large amounts? Any effects during/after application thru inhalation or skin absorption?
I use neem all the time, in my house, on my plants... Mixed with coconut oil for my skin etc.
I have neem that I use in my toothpaste, mouthwash and in powdered form for internal health.
Neem is incredible.
I have neem that I use in my toothpaste, mouthwash and in powdered form for internal health.
Neem is incredible.
Found that article online from your blog.
You only discuss the extract products... and Not Neem Oil. (Not sure if you are putting neem oil in the same category or not)
You provide Zero Documentation.
That article is shit, and I'm not sure if it's based on really good intention or if it was written purely to spark controversy.
Emergency rooms are not going to be full of neem ingestion sufferer's
Good Luck with your blog
I'm sure your 1 facebook follower will be stoked to throw his azamax away.
You only discuss the extract products... and Not Neem Oil. (Not sure if you are putting neem oil in the same category or not)
You provide Zero Documentation.
That article is shit, and I'm not sure if it's based on really good intention or if it was written purely to spark controversy.
Emergency rooms are not going to be full of neem ingestion sufferer's
Good Luck with your blog
I'm sure your 1 facebook follower will be stoked to throw his azamax away.
hey...keep it clean.
The symptoms of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome are remarkably similar.
So It looks like all the hype is from a very incomplete synopsis in an EPA report.
When you find the report that the EPA is quoting... you find all sorts of weird info that may or may not be true... but even at the end of all of it... the quoted article specifically says that there shouldn't be any issues from the products being used.
When you find the report that the EPA is quoting... you find all sorts of weird info that may or may not be true... but even at the end of all of it... the quoted article specifically says that there shouldn't be any issues from the products being used.
Big fan of Dr. Bronners - they as a company have donated a very large sum of money to help support the mandatory labeling of GMO products in states like Washington and California. I've been supporting their products, even though a bit more expensive, rather religiously since learning about this.
I'd rather go broke supporting good than save money to power the machine...
dank.Frank
I'd rather go broke supporting good than save money to power the machine...
dank.Frank
