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San Francisco Medical Examiner Issues Marijuana Warnings

Thomas Paine

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San Francisco Medical Examiner Issues Marijuana Warnings

Nikolas Lemos, UCSF School of Medicine Clinical Professor and Chief Toxicologist & Forensic Lab Director for the San Francisco Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, said cannabis may one day need the “black box” warning labels found on other common drugs like Viagra or codeine.

“If you have a heart condition, ask your doctor before taking this drug”

The medical examiner’s office has been for over a decade looking into cases involving cannabis in San Francisco – from homicides, to suicides, natural deaths, “everything”.

Using a multi-million dollar LC-MS analyzer funded by the city, Lemos focused on 1,338 past-year cases that came to the Chief Medical Examiner’s office, looking in the blood for active THC, the main active ingredient in marijuana, as well as delta-11-THC – which is associated with eating but not smoking weed – and also the metabolite THC-COOH, as well as more rare cannabinoids cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol (CBN).

On average, eight percent of the sample population tested positive for cannabis. The average person who has cannabis in their toxicology is 40 years of age. “It’s not a drug associated with teenagers,” he said.

Lemos’ study of natural deaths in San Francisco revealed a troubling association between cannabis use and larger heart size, regardless of patient weight. The average heart weight for a person is 350 grams, but for those who died of natural disease with cannabis in their system their hearts averaged 520 grams, he said. Cannabis users had hearts that were “very significantly elevated for their weight,” Lemos said.

Everyone’s heart gets bigger and less efficient as they age, but an oversized heart is called cardiomegaly. Lemos said his research found “significant statistical differences” in the heart weight of women who used cannabis and died of natural causes. The average weight of a female human heart is 380 grams. That average went to 676 for women who died a natural death and screened positive for cannabis.

“That’s a very profound cardiomegaly,” he said.

It suggests women who have cardiomegaly, “if they take medical marijuana while they’re alive, they are at greater of risk of suffering a natural death.”

Cannabis can be rough on the circulatory system, Lemos said. Users sometimes report elevated pulse, for example.

“I’m wondering whether we will come to a point where women who may be thinking about marijuana are told ‘If you have a heart problem, you might not want to take this’.”

People with high blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, or cardiomegaly, all of those may be pretty big contra-indications for marijuana now, he said.

“The research is preliminary,” Lemos said. But when he presented the findings recently at two big conferences – the conference of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, and the International Association of Forensic Toxicologists in Portugal in August, “it made the entire toxicology field pay attention.”

“Do not combine with alcohol”

Cannabis is on a long list of drugs that should not be combined with alcohol, Lemos adds.

Research by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration conducted in The Netherlands found that people with a 0.04 blood-alcohol content level given a low-dose of cannabis showed physiological effects equivalent of “more than .09 BAC”. A high dose of cannabis turned tipsy .04 tipplers to a virtual drunks with effects equaling .14 BAC. “They multiply each other,” Lemos said.

And the once-rare, but now highly sought-after cannabidiol-rich marijuana “has a lot of sedative properties,” Lemos said. Consequently, he’s seeing it in DUI cases.

“Alcohol gets really strongly potentiated by even the mere small presence of cannabis.”

http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetrut...o-medical-examiner-issues-marijuana-warnings/
 

Weird

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It suggests women who have cardiomegaly, “if they take medical marijuana while they’re alive, they are at greater of risk of suffering a natural death.

Interestingly enough people spend good money for doctors to give them all kinds of medical treatments and elixers so they can do just that

die of "natural" causes

now maybe the genius brainchild will reveal how many of those smokers also smoked cigarettes
 

TheCleanGame

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So the San Francisco Medical Examiner has found a link between pesticide and other chemical usage in growing cannabis is causing large hearts.

They just haven't figured out that it isn't the cannabis that's the issue. LOL

And they think they're so smart. LOL

Keep it Clean! :D
 

Gert Lush

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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a wineeeer....!

In the Category "Most Cretinous, Brain-Dead Pseudo-Medical Statement of the Year", we have

Dr Nick Lemon said:
“if they take medical marijuana while they’re alive, they are at greater of risk of suffering a natural death.”

So, everybody, stop taking it immediately, and enjoy a good unnatural death, like you know you want to... :D

(Or just take it when you're not alive, it's much safer then...)
 

Harry Gypsna

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Does Cannabis cause the heart issue, if indeed there is one, or is it the mountains of crap food that one is wont to consume while under the influence.....
Did they control for the donut bacon cheese burger and and the family sized bag of doritos every day?
 

RetroGrow

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"if they take medical marijuana while they’re alive"......
As far as I can ascertain, that is the only time you can take it.
My heart races after smoking , particularly some strains. Don't know what effect, if any, that has, but if it was really bad, I would have been dead long ago.
 

Hydrosun

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Thomas Paine, any mention of alcohol and enlarged livers? What was the average life span of cannabis users v. non cannabis users according to the SF medical examiner?

SF is a great city to find long term cannabis use. Are the poor citizens of the bay dying much younger than citizens of non cannabis cities such as Salt Lake City UT?

If the average life expectancy in SF is the same or higher than SLC then it is reasonable to conclude that cannabis has ZERO net negative health effects.

Keep bringing us these propaganda clouds. I love seeing how weak the enemy is.

:joint:
 

high life 45

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San Francisco Medical Examiner Issues Marijuana Warnings
It suggests women who have cardiomegaly, “if they take medical marijuana while they’re alive, they are at greater of risk of suffering a natural death.”

:laughing::laughing::laughing:
I just can get over this!!

You heard it from the professionals..If you dont smoke, you are at a greater risk of suffering an unatural death.
 

Hydrosun

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aint all death but murder natural. I mean we all croak.

Drug overdose, car crash, fall from a roof, drowning, etc.

These are classified as accidental deaths.

I guess if you smoke cannabis you are less likely to act a fool and fall off a roof, crash your car, or OD on coke.

Yeah what a warning label that would be.

:joint:
 

prune

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Jeez, there is Sooo much wrong with this on a scientific level that it patently fails the "sniff" test.
You have a compilation of statistics that are uncontrolled for obvious flaws, mis-matched comparators, and a real lack of knowledge on current cannabis pharmacology.

Drug-war soldier says war is right, and his whole life was not an outrage against fellow men!
 

Thomas Paine

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Keep bringing us these propaganda clouds. I love seeing how weak the enemy is.

A doctor is saying he has noticed enlarged hearts in people that died that were users of marijuana (cardiomegaly).

All he is saying is there may be a connection.

It is aimed at people that may be looking into cannabis as a medical supplement that have never used it before.

What he is saying is that if you have a heart condition, or history of one, you may want to look at other options.

Sorry if his findings bother you, this article showed up in my news section (I live in SF), so i posted here in "Health" section of this forum.

You prob don't think that cannabis causes COPD either (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

Stay healthy !
 

RetroGrow

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Odd that this was never noticed in living patients. It's not as though they cannot examine your heart while you are still breathing. Heart disease is the leading cause of death. Lots of folks die of heart disease, so it's not surprising that a percentage of them had cannabis in their system. This does not prove anything. People tend to die when they get "older", and hearts grow larger as people age, so no surprise that dead people show significantly enlarged hearts. This is hardly a scientific "study". My best friend just died of liver failure from too much drinking, but they still sell that on every street corner, and advertise continuously. Had he used cannabis instead of alcohol, he would still be alive today. We're all going to die. Pick your poison. I don't want the government or big pharma or some doctor picking my poison for me. And by the way, my heart races after eating. Should I give up food?
 

TheCleanGame

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Sorry if his findings bother you,
He doesn't have any 'findings' until he cross references the cannabis the corpses used when they were alive and the contaminants they contained.

Until a study is done with those variables accounted for... he really hasn't found anything at all.

Keep it Clean! :D
 

high life 45

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TP I appreciate your intent. I think that alot of us see this as another misinterpreted piece of misinformation..the quote "if they take marijuana while they are alive, they are at a greater risk of suffering a natural death" was the first thing that popped out for me to be more discerning and critical of the article. When I looked I was not suprised to find its even the first comment for this article on the blog.

A better study would have looked at 100% recreational cannabis users and would have compared their heart size to non cannabis users. Perhaps DrLemos will look into in that in the future.

Perhaps he could see if Rastafarians have larger hearts, because most Rastas eat a much healthier diet than the standard american, and are known for their extensive use of cannabis as sacrement..


It said 8% of the 1338 were cannabis users... so how many of the 107 people had enlarged hearts?

I have a feeling that the doctors idea of "significant statistical differences" and mine are different, and I think that is THE EXACT REASON that this mystery number wasn't printed in the article.

Just my two pesos,
 

Thomas Paine

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"Analysis of the smoke contents of marijuana and tobacco reveals much the same gas phase constituents, including chemicals known to be toxic to respiratory tissue...

With regard to the carcinogenic potential of marijuana, it is noteworthy that the tar phase of marijuana smoke contains many of the same carcinogenic compounds contained in tobacco smoke, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, such as benz[a]pyrene, which was recently identified as a key factor promoting human lung cancer...

Bronchial immunohistology revealed overexpression of genetic markers of lung tumor progression in smokers of marijuana.
Preliminary findings suggest that marijuana smoke activates cytochrome P4501A1, the enzyme that converts polycyclic hydrocarbons, such as benz[a]pyrene, into active carcinogens."

"The evidence concerning a possible link between cannabis smoking and Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) has not yet been conclusively established. A number of studies indicate a causal relationship between the two whereas others contradict these findings.

Research linking cannabis smoking to the development of respiratory cancer exists although there have also been conflicting findings. Not only does the tar in a cannabis cigarette contain many of the same known carcinogens as tobacco smoke but the concentrations of these are up to 50% higher in the smoke of a cannabis cigarette. It also deposits four times as much tar on the respiratory tract as an unfiltered cigarette of the same weight. Smokers of cannabis and tobacco have shown a greater increase in cellular abnormalities indicating a cumulative effect of smoking both."

"Marijuana (MJ) smoking produces inflammation, edema, and cell injury in the tracheobronchial mucosa of smokers and may be a risk factor for lung cancer...

We conclude that MJ [marijuana] smoke containing Delta-9-THC is a potent source of cellular oxidative stress that could contribute significantly to cell injury and dysfunction in the lungs of smokers."


source: http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/


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Many among the medical marijuana community state that smoking weed is good for asthma...

As someone with asthma I know for a fact that it is bad for asthmatics. I would go so far as saying that I have marijuana induced asthma... I am fine and never need my inhaler unless I am puffing out hardcore on weed and/or extracts.

I knew the first time I read that in Jack Herer's book that many in the cannabis community are a bunch of liars. In many cases the medical marijuana authors state information with no medical basis to back it up. And we take them on their word because they are supposedly "experts".

Honestly, "Smoking is good for asthma?"... I can't believe anyone ever believed that.

But I still hear it repeated all the time.

Liars! Even the Hemperer "Wears No Clothes"
 

paladin420

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And OP mr Paine? It was recently pointed out to me that you where either a fear monger or a Debbie Downer. Now that I've read some of your posts I have to agree. Us or them? I think U B Them.
 

stihgnobevoli

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i was totally expecting their "findings" to be that smoking marijuana makes your heart larger making you die faster.
 

yesum

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"Analysis of the smoke contents of marijuana and tobacco reveals much the same gas phase constituents, including chemicals known to be toxic to respiratory tissue...

With regard to the carcinogenic potential of marijuana, it is noteworthy that the tar phase of marijuana smoke contains many of the same carcinogenic compounds contained in tobacco smoke, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, such as benz[a]pyrene, which was recently identified as a key factor promoting human lung cancer...

Bronchial immunohistology revealed overexpression of genetic markers of lung tumor progression in smokers of marijuana.
Preliminary findings suggest that marijuana smoke activates cytochrome P4501A1, the enzyme that converts polycyclic hydrocarbons, such as benz[a]pyrene, into active carcinogens."

"The evidence concerning a possible link between cannabis smoking and Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) has not yet been conclusively established. A number of studies indicate a causal relationship between the two whereas others contradict these findings.

Research linking cannabis smoking to the development of respiratory cancer exists although there have also been conflicting findings. Not only does the tar in a cannabis cigarette contain many of the same known carcinogens as tobacco smoke but the concentrations of these are up to 50% higher in the smoke of a cannabis cigarette. It also deposits four times as much tar on the respiratory tract as an unfiltered cigarette of the same weight. Smokers of cannabis and tobacco have shown a greater increase in cellular abnormalities indicating a cumulative effect of smoking both."

"Marijuana (MJ) smoking produces inflammation, edema, and cell injury in the tracheobronchial mucosa of smokers and may be a risk factor for lung cancer...

We conclude that MJ [marijuana] smoke containing Delta-9-THC is a potent source of cellular oxidative stress that could contribute significantly to cell injury and dysfunction in the lungs of smokers."


source: http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/


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Many among the medical marijuana community state that smoking weed is good for asthma...

As someone with asthma I know for a fact that it is bad for asthmatics. I would go so far as saying that I have marijuana induced asthma... I am fine and never need my inhaler unless I am puffing out hardcore on weed and/or extracts.

I knew the first time I read that in Jack Herer's book that many in the cannabis community are a bunch of liars. In many cases the medical marijuana authors state information with no medical basis to back it up. And we take them on their word because they are supposedly "experts".

Honestly, "Smoking is good for asthma?"... I can't believe anyone ever believed that.

But I still hear it repeated all the time.

Liars! Even the Hemperer "Wears No Clothes"

I cannot smoke certain strains as they make me short of breath, so you are not alone. The comparison to cigs is stupid imo.

Cigs are so much worse than pot it is not even close. They contain some chemicals that are the same but many that are not.

I have seen the effects of heavy cig smoking firsthand and seen the effects of heavy pot use. No comparison. No cancer with pot and no emphysema. Just some bronchitis. Can aggravate asthma with some people and I guess help some or they are lying.:tumbleweed:

The enlarged heart thing sounds like correlation not causation but would need more studies to figure that out.
 
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