But the effect of the SS phenos was clearly sativa like to me,not very calming. And so the waterhash from it. Like I said,two had the original bg smell and a third even reeked of pineapple somehow. But none was a real keeper. So there has to be a more stable line from another breeder. I personally would give those newer breeders a chance if i had to do it again. Or the TH Seeds.