fuck! i am confused !

[woogille]

by the way - some really weird thing is going @ mouser.
in all of the led i looked on, if one on cree's website says its - 6000-10000lm, in mouser they will be like - 4670lm
does any of you know why ?

 

[habeeb]

well, still no setup mate.
im about to move out from my parants house to a new appartment very soon, and right now i have nothing. nothing but plans.
for the grow space i thought at first about something stealthy and small like pc tower or a big speaker box, but now i am really begining to think to go a bit bigger - something like a small closet - maybe - 1m-1.5m[H], 75cm[W], 60cm[D] ???
i really dont know yet, ill have to see after ill move in, as it depends in a lot of things, but how does that space sounds ?
im guessing 2 plants in this cabinet, with nice lst skills, and about 200w-250w of light should give me at least 150g right ?

damn i really dont know,
cuz you see - this moving out thing - might take a month or so, maybe even more, and im kinda eager to start growing -
i just finished a bagseed outdoor guerrilla, which turned out as a bummer man, i had a really nice and big plant who began flowering and one day when i came to water her (and 2 other smaller girls) i saw this tractor plowing the field - he smashed everything, i was going there every morning even if i didnt had to water her, just for the running, and i got so depressed that i didnt ran for 2 week after it happened,
than i just went for my running again and i went to the plot to take some things i left there, and i saw that a little tiny piece of plant had survived,
by than i already sprouted 2 more seeds at home, and i moved them to there later,
long story short - i ended up with 3 tiny plants - all turned out hermi's - maybe 13g total, crap smoke, although i have smoked worse, and i just finished it all up the other day.
so i thought - maybe in the meantime when im still here with my mom and pop ill get one of thoes pc cases and start growing,
but it turns out that it comes down to a medium weight sack of moolah ;]
that i really need right now,

so, i think im heading more towards the moving out first, and than have a proper grow, with a proper cabinet for proper plants with proper yields.
and in the meantime ill have to get back to just buying weed.
i fucken hate paying weed - fucken 'ilegal' bullshite.



exactly !
the l is silent.

I think a growlab 2x2 or 2.7x2.7 would fit.. not sure how much you smoke, want to smoke, like to smoke, dream of smoking, wish to smoke... 200 watt for small, 300-350 for the larger tent.. primo there.. but that's a lot of money for a system.. DIY LED is usually $$$, you can scrimp and save, but done good it costs some coin

3x3 tent is fine too though.. that's a lot of smoke though for one dude..if you need to be working to pay bills.. I don't particularity find the most motivated people smoking all day.......

beginners, I suggest more plant, less turn around time.. less time to fuck things up waiting for them to grow, pulling out all the nutes from the media.. up to you though..

well keep going on man.. sounds like your young.. maybe lazy, but life is life.. we need to do what we want.


I'm off for the night, enjoy

 

[woogille]

your'e a cool dude habeeb,

btw i dont plan to smoke all of it,
from the most of it i plan to refine RSO and just add it to every meal i eat.
it affects you different by eating,
naaaa i just like to have a nice big jar of high quality weed for every time i'd want, and for friends and such you know...
and maybe make some RSO to see how it is.
but thats about it.

 

[habeeb]

then you want a small setup.. well I think you do.. that's up to you

RSO, honestly never heard of it.. yeah eating it F's you up.. highest I've ever been, was at a sneak peak of new star wars.. can't remember which one.. which ever one has the planes flying through space in the beginning... hahaha. still didn't know how to get home after a wait and the movie...


thank you..

what's RSO stand for? butter or oil or some shit?


well, I think starting small is always good, but decide for yourself, look around at different setups and see there room sizes..



see you around

 

[Smoking Lamp]

^Rick Simpson Oil

very nice....powerful medicine indeed...

 

[habeeb]

^

thanks. looking into it now..

believe I've seen this dude in mags, guess I didn't read the text..

 

[woogille]

well basically its a weed extract,
probably the most powerfull out there,

but the way i see it - it is also the most easy to make,
the most easy to consume
and probably the safest.

the guy who invented the extraction technique called Rick Simpson [therefor the name RSO],
it basically - take weed
pour alchohol 99% [or acetone, or naptha, but alcohol seems safest and most healthy, but just like BHO it vaporized at the end]
stir and mix
and than heat it up just a little so the alcohol will vaporize
and what you left it with a black, really dense oil

much easyer to work with than with BHO
also easyer to make

the dude - rick simpson by the way,
came up with a pretty ingenius way on how to use that oil
he calls it the cancer cure (it made him and a lot of his friends 100% cancer free in 2-3 months)
you start with a rice grain size of oil - that you take 3 time a day, like a pill, and after 3-4 days you start slowly to increase the ammount of oil you take each time.
until you get to 3mg i think and you just keep it on 3 untill you end.

look here if youre intersted
http://phoenixtears.ca/make-the-medicine/
heres a vids section
http://phoenixtears.ca/video-library/
i advise you to watch - 'run from the cure', thats his documentary telling the guy's story.
theres also a vid how to make the oil, very old vid - he uses there naptha for extraction,
but i just cant understand why not using pure alcohol.



anyway
have fun,
fun reading
fun watching
get wiser

see ya around

 

[Smoking Lamp]

Rick Simpson probably realized, "hell if they can pull mint oil out of the mint with alcohol, then I sure as hell can pull cannabis oil out of cannabis."


I make all my smoke able oil with 99 ISO method. Hate BHO, worst shit ever, 20% propane per volume with that Butane, unless you use something like Colibri or other EUROPEAN Butane cartridges, which have less than 20% and merca-caps to boot, no thanks. I see clean BHO that has been washed and pressure extracted [labratory grade], less than 1% of the time.

 

[Smoking Lamp]

"So as it goes to the right [red] they can have higher cri but with lower intensity"

lower intensity is from red ( low energy source ) which makes it look lower, but in actuality, the energy is just transferred, nothing lost, only shifted to the red region


this is why looking at any led, I look at the graphs.. unfortunately I don't own a spectrophotometer.. thought about it, but couldn't justify the price for how few uses it would get.. I tried to get someone to test a few colors foe me, but never ended up happening... would have loved to share it with you guys


from what i gather looking at colors and spectrum.. the lower kelvin, more red ???

Generally lower kelvin seems to = more red and I agree whole-heartedly on the Spectrogram. Fucking ridiculous expensive, but to see each individual nm and at what intensity, pretty much sews up the ballpark.

I used to be a car enthusiast page and someone at one point was buying specialized equipment and then renting it out with Security Deposit, travelling across the country one FedEx stop at a time. Usually worked good and most people didn't fuck around.

Obviously that won't work in this hobby, but what other means are there, unless you are born wealthly or whatever, to afford $50k as a hobby toy. Oh well.

 

[woogille]

i have just read an arcticle about 'hash-tips'
they say it is only achiveable by using led, and more specificly - using 630 and 660nm wavelengths,

does any of you has some experience with that amazing phenomena ?

is it a matter of how much ?
i mean how much red from each wave should i add ?
in watts ?
in lumens ?
what about IR and UV wavelengths ? someone said they increase the amount of trichomes on the buds... are they ?

and is it really that white due to amount of trichs ?
i thought when first seeing it that the leafs became white like albinos' for some reason

 

[WeedIsGod]

from that i can understand that in 2700k there is a bit more red than in 3000k ?

Yes, there's more Red in 2700K than 3000K. As CCT lowers, Red output increases. As CCT rises, Blue output increases.

It is very easy to see in this gif:

how many watts is each one of the 6x3000k ? same for the reds ?

It doesn't matter, it's just a ratio I suggested you can use as a guide line. If the 3000K LED's were rated at 3W, then I meant you'd use a 3W Red, or three 1W Reds.

Generally, for LED, we recommend 30-60 Watt's per square foot (30-60W/ft^2). Let's assume your PC box is approximately one square foot (1ft^2). Do you remember how to calculate with units?

30-60W/ft^2 x ~1ft^2 = ~30-60W

The ft^2 cancel each other out and we're left with approximately 30-60 Watt's.

Again, the ratio 6:1:1 (3000K:630nm:660nm) was a guide line. It's not an exact science. Just do you best to match your power requirements while maintaining a spectral power distribution (SPD) that resembles our guide line.

the problem is i couldnt find a cree chip with a range of white like this [4000k-6500k]

I tried to make it abundantly clear, I'm not saying you should use a range of CCT's, I'm saying any CCT that falls within that range is fine... You found an LED that's 4500K? GREAT! That falls between 4000K and 6500K so it will work. How about 6000K? GREAT! Still between 4500K and 6500K. Get it?

Remember, the higher the CCT the more Blue output you have. The more Blue output you have, the less your plants will stretch. You need to take the desired photo morphology of your plants into consideration here. Given you're in a very tight enclosure, I recommend a higher CCT.

whats CCT ?

For more information on what CCT is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature

so right now im thinking - 100w 3000k [ plus some reds ] - for flowering
and another 2x50w 4000k-6500k chips for veg ?

That sounds like way too much light to me.

100W of 3000K means you'd want ~25W of 630nm+660nm (12.5W of each). 125W over a single square foot? You're two to three times what your plants want.

Again, I recommend dimmable drivers so you don't fry your plants, or you can simply increase the size of your garden like you were planning to do someday.

GLHF and stay safe!