24' x 30' Shop build

[Cartel530]

Decided it was time to build a workshop plus it will block the view of my neighbors house. After talking with the builder he said that if their was no need for cement that he could build me a garage without a cement pad, so i said sweet. I bought 6'' x 6'' and every two feet a hole the size of the rebar was drilled and then 5 foot pieces of rebar (I'm not positive of the size at this moment I will find out tomorrow and will update when i add the bigger better quality uploads from my blackberry) were pounded in. The new place i bought had a pretty big and fairly level gravel pad that previous owners had compacted and laid gravel. He also said that by using that size lumber that if later i wanted to pour concrete its already framed

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[Cartel530]

Day 2:

We started off by nailing the 2x4's for the bottom plate to the 6x6's. Next, instead of framing the walls on the ground like we would if it was on concrete, we only did the second bottom plate and studs on 16. We used 10 footers. Then we found the highest point and marked off 8 foot.
We then based our 8 foot walls from this point using a level and marking across. We did this because the ground is not totally level, so in the front left corner drops and the back right is the highest. After doing this we nailed in the top plates and have level walls though in some spots i will have a little higher than an 8 foot ceiling.

 

[Cartel530]

Day 3:
Sided and Trusses Framed. Tomorrow all the bracing for the trusses will be finished as well as the 1 foot over hang on the left side and plywood will be laid for roof. Then she will be painted and roofed all finishing up tomorrow. It Started off as a garage but instead of spending money on it now the carpenter framed it for the garage door then filled the space in with 2x4 so later if the need for a garage door arises all we have to do is cut out the siding remove the insulation and knock the studs out. I saved myself a few grand by leaving it gravel which is win win because now i dont have to worry about drainage and the garage door because now i have one less point to have to try and insulate and light proof.
I'll get some pictures of it tomorrow after its painted and the trim is all put on as well as some of the inside which is still bare. Power and insulation are coming this weekend

 

[Desert Hydro]

hell yeah! i wish i had the space and climate where i could build something like that. good work so far

 

[Cartel530]

Thanks stay tuned a lot more coming

 

[OKD]

Lookin' good! Nice pines! Building a small structure here as weather allows, so I'll be watching and learning!

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Put up a greenhouse right next to it, for year round perpetual light dep grows.

 

[Cartel530]

Sorry been a little busy upload the progress in one sec

 

[Cartel530]

Well the weather here in butte cleared up for awhile after that nice little storm we had. Glad so we could knock some of this shit out

Got the all the truss reinforced and bracing handled. We got the plywood up and nailed on the roof before that nice store thankfully lol. First time I have seen someone use one of the house sprayers.. Its crazy how fast you can knock something out with damn thing.

Got all the trim painted and up. Roofer came through and knocked the roof out hella quick i was amazed

Outsides done

 

[noyd666]

nice mate, looks good enough to live in. good luck.

 

[Cartel530]

Now the fun starts... Designing the interior. Took me a couple days to figure out the best plan for the initial start up run. Decided to divide the shop into three nearly equal parts. As you walk into the door you enter a room 10ft wide by 24ft long. To the left there will be two doors. Each door will Lead to a 12 ft wide by 20ft rooms. Remove all the gravel as the soil plan changed to coco beds

Pulled all the gravel:

Laid a couple layers of the black 6mil plastic for a moisture barrier. I think we will be adding more layer but wanted to get this down before we get the walls up so we dont miss any spots

Got the bottom plate marked out and pounded 3 foot pieces of rebar into the ground to make sure its solid.

Tomorrow the dividing walls will be up and the electrician will be here to run the 200amp wire and hook up the service panel. Then he will begin setting up the outlets for the wall mounts, can fans, and random outlets. Each of the 12'x20' will have 4 coco beds SOG with 3k over each table. The two rooms will alternate with a flip box.

 

[hvac guy]

Don't buy a flip or lighting controller, get your electrician to build them.

 

[Cartel530]

Yea i've heard all kinds of bad stuff and already had him build me one

 

[Treetroit City]

Loving this!

Beautiful when a grow comes together.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Sweet! Ever consider sound board?
Sound board would be nice to put in under the drywall, or whatever you're gonna use for the walls. It will insulate any sound from your fans and stuff from the outside.
No police or neighborhood kids can hear it if they put their ears up to the walls.

 

[CanniDo Cowboy]

Decided it was time to build a workshop plus it will block the view of my neighbors house. After talking with the builder he said that if their was no need for cement that he could build me a garage without a cement pad, so i said sweet. I bought 6'' x 6'' and every two feet a hole the size of the rebar was drilled and then 5 foot pieces of rebar (I'm not positive of the size at this moment I will find out tomorrow and will update when i add the bigger better quality uploads from my blackberry) were pounded in. The new place i bought had a pretty big and fairly level gravel pad that previous owners had compacted and laid gravel. He also said that by using that size lumber that if later i wanted to pour concrete its already framed

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From one 530 brother to another and all other brothers: Your efforts are commendable bro but I suggest you take a minute and consider what it is youre doing here. Not being negative, I have been where you are and in Butte Co and my situation/outcome was one of big regret.

Unfortunately, without first obtaining the proper building permits, your building might be ILLEGAL. In Butte, 100 sq ft is the max sq footage allowed before a building permit is required. *Unless it is an Ag building. I know, bla bla bla. At least that's the attitude I had when building mine. Apprx 6 months after completion, my "shop" got discovered/reported, not by a vengeful neighbor which is usually the case, but by a Cal Fire inspector working the area for possible defensible space violations. Even if you live in an area you think is "cool', it only takes one uncool person to blow it up and at that point, the building itself can be the least of your problems esp if youre well under way with specific "shop" projects. Such was my misfortune.

What followed was an absolute shit storm. It wouldnt have been much of a deal to go down to Oroville and pull the necessary permit(s) but unfortunately, the "shop" wasnt really just a shop but full of 'stuff' just like your are planning to install and I might add, green from floor to ceiling and wall to wall (20x30).

To be legal, I needed to submit a SITE PLAN (7 copies), a complete set of plans/drawings detailing the foundation/footings, framing, roof AND ALL electrical. In addition, property setback dimensions in relation to building location to all property lines not to mention meeting code requirements that required a minimum/maximum distance from existing house to the shop or what the county calls: the building envelope. I was given 30 days to either comply with submitting the plans and paying the required fees or remove the building. I was now on the county radar and in Butte, one thing you dont do is try to cheat them out of permit money once they bag you. They are relentless.

My options were very few. The shop foundation (8x8 treated timbers), similar to yours, would not fly. It required a concrete footing beneath. Getting that done with a building already in place would have been a financial nitemare. The roof, although professionally built, lacked SNOW LOAD specs because of my elevation (2800ft) which would require engineered specs. Other than those 2 small details, the building construction itself was good-LOL But things got worse: The rear of the shop was 1 foot too close to the side property line (set back violation). So, even if the foundation and roof would have been within construction standards, it was too close to the property line.

The electrical was professional and included a 100 amp subpanel at the shop, tapped from the 200 amp house main. Those would have passed inspection. The small problem was that all of the interior wiring: outlets, switches-everything electrical, was covered up with sheetrock. And inspectors HATE that and will demand that they see everything, down to the romex staples! The other somewhat larger issue was...EVERYTHING GREEN inside....There was no hiding that...

The moral of my story is: For a little extra in building material & labor, a few drawings and apprx $600.00 in fees, I would have been harvesting my second run. Instead, I was looking at an empty building that eventually was deconstructed, moved and reconstructed. Needless to say, the "green" loss was devastating on ALL fronts. Things were never the same with the "shop", I always feared the county boys might return for a visit. I have since moved on from Butte and built a new "shop" elsewhere. Needless to say, the new shop (on paper) is completely legal, to a f'n nats ass.

For those who are considering building a "shop" shop by circumventing the required permit process (if required), I can say with experience and facts, you are surely dancin with the devil...CC

*On a related note, when I sold the property, one of the first things the appraiser did was go to the county and retrieve ALL permitted activity associated with my property. Non-permitted structures must be made aware to potential buyers (liability), will receive no property value consideration and ultimately the county assayer/tax boys may be notified...

 

[watts]

Nice build. What you think bout welding a cage or something on the inside? That way if someone breaks in the door, there will be another steel door they can't get through. Kinda like a jail cell door or something.

 

[Cartel530]

Sweet good thing im on a private mountain a lot farther up than 2800ft and good thing No one around me other than another family memeber i appreciate the concern

 

[Granger2]

Glad to see you decided to go with plastic covering over the floor. I believe the gravel/dirt floor would have been a humidity nightmare. Good luck. -granger

 

[DHF]

Sweet good thing im on a private mountain a lot farther up than 2800ft and good thing No one around me other than another family memeber i appreciate the concern

Just wanted to stop in and give credit where credit`s due....Lookin forward to seein this setup unfold and produce....

Thanks for your time to document and keep shit moving forward.....Hope all works out for max returns....

I`ll be over here on my bucket waitin for updates.....

Good luck....DHF.........