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can pH fluctuations be caused by the air pump?
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Nutes act as a pH down.That might help explain a bit of what's going on there too.
Feed just as much as they need to stay medium green... not dark and not super light. This will change for each plant and it will change with how much light each plant is getting. Humidity and temp also affect but to a lesser degree... until they're way out of whack. lol
TDS should slowly drop (pH will rise) as the days go by.... when pH is at 6.1 or so, raise the TDS with nutes and the pH should drop back down. A well setup and run system will require very few pH up/down changes and most maintenance will be done with nutes only.
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I hear you, I was gonna test for that too since I figured it would happen being that the GH are supposed to have buffers in them as ive read and been told.
also been the reason why ive been adding this pH down very slowly and watching for changes and considering the nutes I would guess (lol, until I get the meter and can stop guessing) that once I add the nutes it would bring it down a good bit so I was taking it easy and watching for the swings and stability.
plan was to stay the course with the 3-2-1 for veg until I was ready, but im thinking about just topping up with the pH'd water and the lucas formula OR maybe 3-2-1 for 1gl as opposed for 2gl like I started out with;
the lucas formula thing im kinda iffy on, for right now, because of where I am in the grow. I don't wanna start out going the by the regular GH sched, go off the beaten path with the lucas formula and then things go out of wack right before I take cuts for the future runs i'll be doing.
STEP 1/PLAN "A" :these plants are just feeders for the grow op my partner and I are doing so I just want to stay the course for safety sake. these plants have around 2 more weeks or sooner before I give them the chop for cuts, let them veg out and recoup while the cuts gain proper footing, move them to their new home as moms;
STEP 2/PLAN "B" :then the plan is to clean the buckets out since that realistically is the flower area, bubble the water for 3days to get rid of chlorine, pH the water again with fresh nutes (aka lucas formula), soak the medium in pH'd water (per your advice) and have those spots ready and waiting for the plants to flower out in.
SIDEBAR PLAN: im still trying to figure out what kind of set would be best to keep the cuts in once they hold root, ive learned with the way I grow/keep my cuts they outgrow the cups pretty fast although that's a good thing I still have to get them into a bigger spot so they can get to round about 2' before I flower them out.
I do things this way so that I:
1)always have cuts that are big enough to go straight into flower and I don't have to wait for veg time by letting them veg all the while
2)have time to clean out the flower area before each run
when I was doing things in organic soil on this schedule I had time to chop/trim/hang/dry/cure; since changing over to hydro things move a lot quicker and I wont have time to do pretty much anything else. keeps me busy and I don't mind but this pH shit is the variable/monster that can fuck me in the ass if im not careful and don't get it dialed in from the gate. and ive never been fucked in the ass . . . . well maybe by the past couple of storms but that's been the only thing!!! lol
the thought has crossed my mind to get a res to always keep on deck so that I can have that flowering water handy but where the hell am I gonna find space for that! its the most logical thing to do so I may just have to chuck some shit to make the space.
since water is my new "soil" so to speak I have to learn and know its nature that's all and my main concern is the pH of it, once I get that understanding down in regard to my water then i'll be good to go
in soil I knew what the factors/parameters were but this is still a tad bit new to so me as far as the specifics (ie. gauging things by the ppm as opposed to knowing whats in the soil and top dressing) hence the question that inspired this thread. but im getting it slowly but surely.
lol, seriously trying to capitalize on this bad habit I have of having too many plants at one time
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I'm in the process of writing a tutorial that covers all this... Hopefully I get it finished and posted sooner than later.. eh?
It's really quite simple once you can wrap your head around the basic concepts... the problem is the HUGE wave of crap information on the net right now, combined with the HUGE wave of new growers that learned from this crap information. *facepalm*
They're just trying to help, I know, but bad information spreads soooo quickly. LOL
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im down to read anything that will put me on the right track with this. and since your the best person to ask or one of the best ppl, am I on the right course so far?
I know there are massive improvements that I need to make but what am I lookin like so far
trust me I can take it
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Yes, you're on the right track...
I'd suggest switching to the simple res management method for the lucas formula for now. Mix your res at a nutrient strength that has them dropping the ppm and raising the pH on a steady basis. Should take about 5-7 days for it to go from 5.2-6.1
The res size needs to be appropriate for the plants and lights being used... 1000w HPS with 6 plants will need about 40 gallons of water for a proper swing period.
400w HPS is about a 12-15 Gallon reservoir.
150w HPS was about 5-8 gallons? I forget as it was over 10 years ago now. lol
The larger the reservoir... the slower the pH swing is going to be. Too large of a reservoir and the pH swing isn't fast enough and the plant will show deficiencies... too small of a reservoir and the pH swings will be too fast and cause the same thing.
When all your DWC variables are set up properly... pH takes care of itself.
The simple reservoir management method is to mix your res and pH it to 5.2.
Add plain R/O water to the reservoir every day so it is "Topped Off" to the same level every day.
Check the pH every day after topping off and record it so you can catch any issues quickly if they show up.
When you've added the same number of gallons of plain water that your res holds... dump it and re-fill.
That's it.
With different nutrient profiles you're going to have different top and bottom pH ranges. Some nutrients are so wrong for cannabis you actually HAVE to hold a steady pH at the range that releases nutes the way cannabis needs them. Ouch.
Hope that helps...
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awright, sounds like im doing ok then. thanks for the info and system check, as nervous as this thing can make me at times I need all the checks and balances I can afford.
think sometimes ppl get too personal about shit and don't/forget its not about "them" its about the plants, so the mere mention of something needed and cats fly off the fuckin handle.
im not perfect and I know it so help will always be appreciated, once again will keep this thread updated, seems as though its turning into something else on me! lol
I do plan to go the 1k watt route in the future though, my lil 4x4 space can yield me a lot of green in more ways than one.
I have to laugh at myself though cause I wanted to try my hand at growing shrooms so can you just imagine?! roflmao''
anyway be back later . . .
thought i'd share some pics for the integrity of the thread.
after checking things out the roots are doing fine, the plants are currently going through a growth spurt, and I finally got those CHEM#4's I was waiting for. theyre kinda spindldy and I cant expect anymore than that from this grower that my boy is partnering with.
he keeps the lights too far away and harvests to early and it hasn't had a proper cure yet anyway so the smoke left much to be desired.
pH, is still holding at that 5-6 range and I haven't needed to top up or add any more nutes for right now, they look good to me so im not complaining . . . .
(KALABRESE) this is the second biggest one, looks nice enough and its that uniform indica
(KALABRESE) the biggest one of the three, there are sooo many cuts to take from this thing, since im only running 8 at a time I could do a whole run off of this one plant alone!
(KALABRESE) the runt of the litter, but still holding its own
(CHEM#4) this is how this sorry bastard grower gave the cuts to my boy to give to me, I made this same mistake on a bullshit grow I tried with some bagseed. I learned how not to do this shit damn near 7yrs ago (smh)
or course im gonna be happy as hell with the hydro until something goes horribly wrong then ill end up cursing hydro to the rafters!
I think I may end giving those CHEM's their own homes after two weeks, I expect them to seriously perk up within that time and the other sites should be pH'd and ready for them by then
QUESTION: ive got this clear type of slime building up in one of the buckets that I am leveling out pH wise. there are white /cloudy/globbulous blobs floating around the bucket; around 2-3; then theres this filmy/clear-cloudy build up on the air hose starting at the water level down ino the bucket; then theres the same types of globs holding onto the airstones close to where the most air is coming out of them.
FACTORS: I did have those airstones bubbling with a small sack of EWC tied to them to see what would happen but I wasn't watching the buckets at the time so I just stopped and cleaned them out BUT never really got around to dealing with cleaning the airstones
PLAN is to just clean those two buckets out/off thoroughly and start over but im gonna start them off the same way I did the others and pH them until they level out like the other buckets did
after checking things out the roots are doing fine, the plants are currently going through a growth spurt, and I finally got those CHEM#4's I was waiting for. theyre kinda spindldy and I cant expect anymore than that from this grower that my boy is partnering with.
he keeps the lights too far away and harvests to early and it hasn't had a proper cure yet anyway so the smoke left much to be desired.
pH, is still holding at that 5-6 range and I haven't needed to top up or add any more nutes for right now, they look good to me so im not complaining . . . .
(KALABRESE) this is the second biggest one, looks nice enough and its that uniform indica
(KALABRESE) the biggest one of the three, there are sooo many cuts to take from this thing, since im only running 8 at a time I could do a whole run off of this one plant alone!
(KALABRESE) the runt of the litter, but still holding its own
(CHEM#4) this is how this sorry bastard grower gave the cuts to my boy to give to me, I made this same mistake on a bullshit grow I tried with some bagseed. I learned how not to do this shit damn near 7yrs ago (smh)
or course im gonna be happy as hell with the hydro until something goes horribly wrong then ill end up cursing hydro to the rafters!
I think I may end giving those CHEM's their own homes after two weeks, I expect them to seriously perk up within that time and the other sites should be pH'd and ready for them by then
QUESTION: ive got this clear type of slime building up in one of the buckets that I am leveling out pH wise. there are white /cloudy/globbulous blobs floating around the bucket; around 2-3; then theres this filmy/clear-cloudy build up on the air hose starting at the water level down ino the bucket; then theres the same types of globs holding onto the airstones close to where the most air is coming out of them.
FACTORS: I did have those airstones bubbling with a small sack of EWC tied to them to see what would happen but I wasn't watching the buckets at the time so I just stopped and cleaned them out BUT never really got around to dealing with cleaning the airstones
PLAN is to just clean those two buckets out/off thoroughly and start over but im gonna start them off the same way I did the others and pH them until they level out like the other buckets did
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sounds gross in the bucket.
I'd pull the plant from the bucket (leave it in the rocks) and rinse the underside and the bucket. It really depends what the slime is as to what treatment you should use.
I'd start with just lots of bleach once the bucket is rinsed out and spray the visible roots with a weak peroxide solution... rinse a weak peroxide through the pebbles as well for the rest of the roots.
Re-mix and set her back in. See what happens in a few days to a week. You'll either get snotted out again and have to look deeper or you'll be peachy keen.
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ROFLMAO!!! dude if that slime was on any one of those plants, I would have skipped posting on here and fucking called your ass!!!
nah, I haven't been that unfortunate so far, the bucket is just got plain bubbling water in it. honestly when I went to check the pH it was in the 5's damn near 4 I would say, so because of the slime and the high pH I figured something maybe wrong but I figured id ask anyway.
I do plan to rinse the shit outta those buckets, change the airstones and change the tubing on the inside.
now my sites are beginning to turn to the light I have, ive got 8 sites under this 400MH in veg and im hoping that the 400HPS would be enough to flower with, I don't really want to, out of fear of power consumption, but I may have to run both the MH/HPS at the same time. I think I can make a good run with 800
EDIT: if you check the vid, the bucket with the slime is/are the first two buckets that you see near the table; the bucket that has the 3xCHEM#4 was already nuted and pH'd; the 2 buckets at the top are going through their leveling period now, im gonna pH it again anyway but im not sure if they were ready for me to add nutes to them or not
either way, ive got time since these chem's are gonna take a good while to grow out a lil before I chop then and replant then so they can grow shorter and not as lenky as when I got them
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Sweet!
The one thing I love about hydro is how quickly changes happen with the plant... good and bad. lol
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The one thing I love about hydro is how quickly changes happen with the plant... good and bad. lol
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ok guys got one for you:
I want to make/build a "layover station" and that is an area where the plants, that have already rooted and are ready to move into the flower area, can stay until the flowering plants finish
the layover station is going to be a spot for the plants to get bigger and heres a couple reasons why I need to build one:
1. I always take too many cuts
2. the cuts that I take always root within 10 days and begin growing rapidly
3. I always run out of height in my clone/cuts area so I have to move them
4. theres never enough room in the mom area for them to hang out and there REALLY wont be any room this time around since im going to dedicate the mom strictly to moms alone
I think this is something that anyone can have/use to keep a specific amount of plants for/to immediately fill your flower area without waiting for plants to "catch up" so to speak or get big enough to make it worth putting them into flower; for my specific needs I want/need to have atleast 12 in my layover station at all times to fill my spot.
now the spot that I am considering can/will be able to hold a total of 18 but I only need 12 at time. I have some 1gl hydroponic pots for ebb+flow tables that I want to use BUT its not going to be an ebb and flow setup.
im going to setup a dripper system for each pot and wanted to know: HOW BIG OF A REZ WOULD I NEED TO FEED 18X1gl PLANT POTS ON A CONTINUOUS DRIP?
last I remember you don't necessarily have to have the pump on all the time, although I would like to, but I need to re-research that info anyway and the specifics of a setup like the one im talking about. I mean yeah its a regular grow setup but what im going to be using it for will be specific. no flowering only continuous vegging.
I want to make/build a "layover station" and that is an area where the plants, that have already rooted and are ready to move into the flower area, can stay until the flowering plants finish
the layover station is going to be a spot for the plants to get bigger and heres a couple reasons why I need to build one:
1. I always take too many cuts
2. the cuts that I take always root within 10 days and begin growing rapidly
3. I always run out of height in my clone/cuts area so I have to move them
4. theres never enough room in the mom area for them to hang out and there REALLY wont be any room this time around since im going to dedicate the mom strictly to moms alone
I think this is something that anyone can have/use to keep a specific amount of plants for/to immediately fill your flower area without waiting for plants to "catch up" so to speak or get big enough to make it worth putting them into flower; for my specific needs I want/need to have atleast 12 in my layover station at all times to fill my spot.
now the spot that I am considering can/will be able to hold a total of 18 but I only need 12 at time. I have some 1gl hydroponic pots for ebb+flow tables that I want to use BUT its not going to be an ebb and flow setup.
im going to setup a dripper system for each pot and wanted to know: HOW BIG OF A REZ WOULD I NEED TO FEED 18X1gl PLANT POTS ON A CONTINUOUS DRIP?
last I remember you don't necessarily have to have the pump on all the time, although I would like to, but I need to re-research that info anyway and the specifics of a setup like the one im talking about. I mean yeah its a regular grow setup but what im going to be using it for will be specific. no flowering only continuous vegging.
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