Best Organic Grow/Bloom Ferts

[xmobotx]

you know, it's funny; biobizz' site says they are listed OMRI but I don't find them on the OMRI list & they aren't on WA dept of ag's list either {only the coco-mix}

so, @ least in WA; you couldn't use it & claim organic status {except the coco mix}

 

[Raw_Dog]

Hmmm mm mm.

 

[DinosaurCocks]

Check these out. Take note of the %W/W. 2 out of 3 show your paying big dollhairs for something thats 70% water and the other is even worse at 95% water.

i'm confused? my nutes are a ripoff because they are 70% water? are not ALL liquid fertilizers around 70% or more water??is that not what DEFINES it as a liquid fert?

one of the things i like about my ferts besides the fact that they are liquid enough to suck up a turkey baster is that the company digests the raw organic ingredients with enzymes or something, so that the nutes are fast release, they have available nutrient concentrations similar to chemical brands...it really simplifies things to know exactly what values your plants are eating at any one moment like you can with chemicals.

 

[MileHighGuy]

Many organic growers go through this phase, I did, and what I found is that most eventually move on and realize better results through feeding of the soil instead of feeding of the plants. Do whatever you want, but instead of asking which organic fertilizer is best.... why don't you ask why no seasoned organic grower uses any of them? Start asking better questions.... but I do commend you for taking the steps to go organic and go against the mainstream philosophy. Anytime a grower does this, it should go without saying that it was a bold and brave move and is commendable. The whole bottled nutrient thing isn't your fault, "they" have gotten so good at marketing that they sell nutrients without actually even disclosing what is in them and they are getting rich too. (Natures Nectar Nitrogen is Protein Hydrolysate, which sounds like Soybean Hydrolysate to me... Ewwwww)

When you stop allowing the plant/soil relationship to be the focus and start using the science of NPK and fertilizer you are led astray.

Stay Alert, Question everything.

What are the exact ingredients of the products you are referring too?

 

[Tela]

Biobizz all day

 

[xmobotx]

so, it would seem you are having success w/ the biobizz product {or just trolling the thread?} IDK if you noticed but there's some question whether the line is actually organic?

 

[nukklehead]

Many organic growers go through this phase, I did, and what I found is that most eventually move on and realize better results through feeding of the soil instead of feeding of the plants. Do whatever you want, but instead of asking which organic fertilizer is best.... why don't you ask why no seasoned organic grower uses any of them? Start asking better questions.... but I do commend you for taking the steps to go organic and go against the mainstream philosophy. Anytime a grower does this, it should go without saying that it was a bold and brave move and is commendable. The whole bottled nutrient thing isn't your fault, "they" have gotten so good at marketing that they sell nutrients without actually even disclosing what is in them and they are getting rich too. (Natures Nectar Nitrogen is Protein Hydrolysate, which sounds like Soybean Hydrolysate to me... Ewwwww)

When you stop allowing the plant/soil relationship to be the focus and start using the science of NPK and fertilizer you are led astray.

Stay Alert, Question everything.

What are the exact ingredients of the products you are referring too?

exactly!!.....just learning this myself..

 

[EclipseFour20]

LOL...I have a few rules about purchasing nute/ferts.
1. Never buy anything with a cartoon character on the label.
2. If is more than $2/lb--forget about it; not worth it.
3. Most dry ferts can be converted to "liquid" via tea.
4. Ask myself, "what would a farmer do?"....there are "farmers" (cash crop) and "gardeners" (hobby crop).
5. Is there an alternative to this product? In my world, seldom is the "first answer" the "best"...especially when an alternative can be had at half the price.

That said, there are 2 products I use that are only available at the hydro store--and both are from Canna: Rhiztonic and Boost. Testing alternatives for Boost--and think I may have one or two...but zero alternatives for Rhizotonic (foliar spray only).

Cheers!

 

[VerdantGreen]

biobizz line is made in holland afaik, so i doubt they would be listed on any american organic certification.

 

[xmobotx]

my point was more to the fact that the website advertises OMRI listing but the coco is the only thing actually OMRI listed

if they went to that effort just for the coco & not the rest of the line, would it be safe to assume that either the products aren't qualified for the listing or some form of deceptive advertising is going on?

but; you know me ~even OMRI listed bottled nutes are suspect to me

 

[OrganicBuds]

Biobizz in not organic, period. I have asked their reps at the grow shows, and they always say....."In California were not, but anybody that knows anything knows were organic."

 

[Tela]

most of the biobizz line has the following certification:
Control Union is an international organization for organic production inspection and certification throughout the world in accordance with standard EEC Regulation No. 834/2007 and 889/2008. This organization guarantees that certified products do not contain any chemical fertilizers or pesticides, chemical or synthetic flavours, colours or preservatives, or genetically modified organisms (GOM). CU is the only certification and inspection organization that provides organic guarantee certificates such as Organic Farming and its corresponding logo, which will normally be printed on labels of the relevant products. * ECC Regulation No. 834/2007 and 889/2008 apply to the member states of the European Union and to such organic products imported into the EU. - See more at: http://www.biobizz.com/us/company/certifications#sthash.j3JgR99u.dpuf


it might not be omri but I was under the impression that the european organic cert had stricter ingredients for compliance. Any professional organic experts care to weigh in?

 

[Tela]

so, it would seem you are having success w/ the biobizz product {or just trolling the thread?} IDK if you noticed but there's some question whether the line is actually organic?

im having absolute raging success with the biobizz line. I get better yields than anyone ive ever met, synthetic or organic, with it. I also dont follow their chart, nor will i disclose my recipe, so dont ask.

 

[xmobotx]

I imagine if it's compliant over the pond, then it's probably compliant by OMRI's standards even if not listed

kinda jives w/ verdant's comment as well as the rep's comments to OB

nonetheless, Tela {& no offense} if you posted your recipe in detail; i probably wouldn't even read it {hopefully it might help some one who is learning or easing in to the organic deal}

 

[EclipseFour20]

Does the label say "100% Organic"? If not, they can get away with 5% "inorganic" ingredients. Biobizz's "organic certifications" refer to USDA National Organic Program which means their product label must conform to CFR 205.301 regs.

Source: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=d77a8d6e9182bac5c5e28f71b64e93f9&n=7y3.1.1.9.32&r=PART&ty=HTML#7:3.1.1.9.32.4.354.1

CFR §205.301 Product composition.

(a) Products sold, labeled, or represented as “100 percent organic.” A raw or processed agricultural product sold, labeled, or represented as “100 percent organic” must contain (by weight or fluid volume, excluding water and salt) 100 percent organically produced ingredients. If labeled as organically produced, such product must be labeled pursuant to §205.303.

(b) Products sold, labeled, or represented as “organic.” A raw or processed agricultural product sold, labeled, or represented as “organic” must contain (by weight or fluid volume, excluding water and salt) not less than 95 percent organically produced raw or processed agricultural products. Any remaining product ingredients must be organically produced, unless not commercially available in organic form, or must be nonagricultural substances or nonorganically produced agricultural products produced consistent with the National List in subpart G of this part. If labeled as organically produced, such product must be labeled pursuant to §205.303.

(c) Products sold, labeled, or represented as “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)).” Multiingredient agricultural product sold, labeled, or represented as “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s))” must contain (by weight or fluid volume, excluding water and salt) at least 70 percent organically produced ingredients which are produced and handled pursuant to requirements in subpart C of this part. No ingredients may be produced using prohibited practices specified in paragraphs (f)(1), (2), and (3) of §205.301. Nonorganic ingredients may be produced without regard to paragraphs (f)(4), (5), (6), and (7) of §205.301. If labeled as containing organically produced ingredients or food groups, such product must be labeled pursuant to §205.304.

Moral of the story. Under USDA program, "organic" really means "95% organic".

At least, that's how I see the situation, Cheers!

 

[Tumpuh]

????
Anyone use these products? I have only used them on my Bhut Jolokia plants so far

 

[MileHighGuy]

proprietary blend of the finest natural ingredients

AKA the cheapest shit we could get into a bottle, if we actually showed you the ingredients you might not like them....

But Buddha! We know you will like him!!!

I wouldn't cook with untold proprietary ingredients and I won't be cultivating medicine like that either.

 

[Raw_Dog]

As far as biobizz is concerned, it's the best whatever it is to buy as a bottled product, PERIOD! There is nothing on the market that can compete with the quality of that product.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

It doesn't compete with anything Organic or anything, do you have some literature to show this claim?

Peace

 

[HatchBrew]

Aerated compost teas!!!