veg vert trees proper way to max yield

[kovert]

Takes a certain amount of attention to detail and stick-to-it-iveness to hang with bare bulbs and dial em , as well as a perfect sideways canopy....Not many stay with vertical bare bulb setups and go right back to flat grows with reflectors and why ?.....

Cuz it`s easy , and as a rule most growers are stoners and somewhat lazy.....No offense , but it`s true.....It`s waaay easier to run flat grows on the floor or tables , and many many folks hear about the increased yield potentials of vertical growing and go for it , but........

Most fail repeatedly and go right back to buckets on the floor/tables/etc with reflectors and call bullshit on vert bein all that , but I assure yas that once dialed with all ducks in a row there`s not a higher producing setup out there'.....bet on it.... regardless.....

im quoting dhf i think is his name

im trying to figure out what he meant?? how do you properly veg a plant for vert grows .... im veg in t5 over each bucket on top then plan to flip to vert bare bulb in the classic 5 bulb 4 plant setup

 

[Desert Hydro]

if you are gonna flower vert you veg vert too! keeps plant shorter and branchy so all those big healthy side branches can grow big and full of buds. im sure there are many more reasons but the biggest one you will see right away is the change in plant structure when you veg vert.

there is A LOT to going vert but its well worth it if you can stick to it long enough to figure the basics out. you pretty much have to relearn and dismiss a lot of shit that people preached to you your whole growing life. dont even get us started on defoliation. in the flat forums many will diss it, around here its widely accepted to be beneficial to vert

 

[kovert]

ok i see your point on that .. the plants are very bushy Im doing fim...
there allmost as wide as tall currently ...
im running blue heron, soda berries and jazz from bean boys..and purple haze...
for some reason i thaught i was supposed to veg on top and flower vert ... i had it wrong

guess i need to get some more 400mh to hang vert instead of the 4 bulb t5 overhead over each plant ...
any other tips are appreciated

 

[kovert]

oh and im running dwc 20 gal buckets 600 hps on corners and a 1000w center bare bulb for flower.... house n garden line with bushmaster in week 2 of flower heat shouldnt be a issue
i usually put the thermostat at 70 should i run hotter??

 

[Desert Hydro]

only if you wanna save money lol. i leave mine at 78 but i have a TON of airflow. i couldnt afford to run my ac at 70 but im sure the plants would appreciate it.

the problem with FIM that im forseeing is that the top canopy is flat. you want more rounded i think otherwise the sides will block out the middle. if im gonna do a flat grow i fim the living shit out of my plants. if you veg vert you wont need to.

here is my current grows progression. as you can see the vert vegging makes them bush out crazy. dont over veg if youre short on headroom lol

 

[DHF]

Well...... let`s see here guys....I always vegged my big plants with 400 watt MH horizontal hoods to "tit`s" high before putting em in the bloom rooms with bare bulbs on 12/12 "specifically" due to the reason that bare bulbs make plants bush out sideways more than up without the proper hybrids , and that makes yas lose all the upper cu ftg for nuggage and canopy development IME......but.....

Folks like D9 and a few others actually do veg their big plants with bare bulbs cuz they know their strains and where they`ll end up by end of stretch so they don`t grow into each others area and choke each other out , or haveta be hacked back to control canopy depth......

DH......you just got lucky on where your plants ended up , but that`s all part of dialin new setups.....I`ve said and preached it for yrs that vert growin ain`t easy , but once dialed you`ll never go back to flat growin , but most folks don`t hang in there long enough to get past the learnin curve.....

Peace....DHF........

 

[Mister_D]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, the most misunderstood part of vert is that there are a million ways to do it "right". The technique is still in it's infancy, and there are many people developing their own methods to the madness. Some have greater success than others because there isn't a well worked out map of what works and what doesn't yet. I veg horizontally and flower vert in both sog and tree styles. Others find better results vegging and flowering vertically. Ultimately it's like any other method, you have to adjust and dial for your goals (i.e. tall and skinny, vs. bushy), and the needs of your particular strain to produce it's best. Do some reading on the methods being shared here and elsewhere in the vert world, if it makes sense to you, experiment and see what works and what doesn't in your garden. If you prefer something a bit more predictable, hang some hoods and go that route. Potential is great with vertical lighting, just have to be willing to get your feet wet

 

[DHF]

Many ways ta skin a mule indeed D bro , that`s why there`s so many different applications for Vertical oriented gardens with bare bulbs....but....

Back in the day I was taught to veg horizontally with the lights down as close to the plants as possible to stack nodes and build laterals , so that when they went in the bloom rooms under 12/12 they exploded with rootmass and MORE node stackin till initial budset by end of stretch and why ?.....

To prevent internode elongation and keep the plants from growing stem instead of plant matter , .......period...and for the record......

More indica dominant varieties will grow sideways as a mofo vegged with bare bulbs , and then once flipped the only way they stretch is mostly OUT instead of up , and IME it`s VERY counterproductive to sideways canopy development compared to a proper hybrid that`s "un-topped" and vegged horizontally till the flip cuz...

All the upper areas of the room are covered in available nuggage development from the added plantmass by the time stretch is over to help work on those gpw`s and bottom line returns by end of cycle.....

For big plants , find the proper 50/50 Sat/Ind hybrid and exploit the fuck out of em with bare bulbs hangin , but as far as veggin goes , trial and error will letchas know how long to veg em to keep em from growin into each other sideways , bet on it......

Stackin nodes and building laterals always worked best for me with ALL my plants regardless of the size I was growin at the time , and that ONLY happened with overhead T-5`s for my increased plant number rooms , and larger MH hoods for my big plant setups back in the day.......

Plants just flat out grow differently from the get vegged with bare bulbs causing internode elongation "sideways" and IME way too wide for their own good and end result light "footprint" plant penetration/absorption , plus it causes more support to prevent longer limbs from snappin........anyways....

The only wayta KNOW the best overall structure for the plant to grow start to finish is to run em both ways and see which produces the most FTW.....

Never topped or trained a plant in my life and did well for many yrs.....To each his own....and.....

Good luck....DHF.........

 

[kovert]

great insight guys thanks for the help its conflicting ...but it sounds like growing in general you just gotta study the plant and get a few grows under your belt to be successful and learn what the plant wants and how it reacts... thers no certain formula for success
im going to veg to 2 ft and then start flower and hope for 1lb per plant

 

[flat9]

if you are gonna flower vert you veg vert too! keeps plant shorter and branchy so all those big healthy side branches can grow big and full of buds. im sure there are many more reasons but the biggest one you will see right away is the change in plant structure when you veg vert.

there is A LOT to going vert but its well worth it if you can stick to it long enough to figure the basics out. you pretty much have to relearn and dismiss a lot of shit that people preached to you your whole growing life. dont even get us started on defoliation. in the flat forums many will diss it, around here its widely accepted to be beneficial to vert

Hey DH do you think there's any benefit to using LEDs overhead while vegging? The reason I ask is because LEDs are supposed to encourage shorter internodal lengths and may help with that structure you referred to above.

 

[flat9]

Same question to Fred...

 

[SirStynkalot]

3 words. 6 inch penetration.