Terpenation at Terpene Station

[icdog]

So I have to seal up the filter dryer after use? Mine is just sitting around right now after I disconnected everything, I didn't put the caps back on.

The one can that leaked everywhere is about a QP of butane and there was no detectable concentration in less then a minute anywhere in the whole space, it was actually very little like 50 ppm or so. Worst case is 10lbs in the space. I'm guessing with an open door it would be gone in an hour or less with good air movement.

 

[mr. durden]

yes. i sometimes will use the screw on caps they came with the mt-69, although i just bough t more. you might want to replace it as it probably might be at capacity

butane will sink to the lowest points.

hopefully nobody ever has an explosive mistake :/

 

[icdog]

Really, in a few days the filter dryer will suck enough moisture out of the air to fill it? Just wasted 20 bucks.

Another thing if I do the pour method is how to boil off the butane. Outside isn't convenient and it will be real cool soon.

 

[mr. durden]

i always forget to weigh them to have a better idea, but they will literally pull moisture out of the air :/ you can still use it, but it will probably be less effective. it does also help keep some of the oil out of your appion

we use 16 quart pots that are slightly smaller than the 9.5" pie plates we use. the lip of the dish hangs over the pot lip, so moisture/water vapor doesn't have a chance to mix.

i had an exhaust fan delivered from cincinnati fan, but they didn't do the upgrade to an explosion proof motor. it is a class b spark resistant fan enclosure.

it'll probably run you a little less than a rack with shipping ebr-50 with explosion motor upgrade

 

[nakadashi]

Just found this refrigerant recovery pump, made by our friends who make the MT-69.. http://www.cpsproducts.com/product/recovery-equipment-tr21/

They have a comparison to the Appion G5 twin, and on paper the TR21 seems to boast vastly superior recovery times!

 

[mr. durden]

interesting! anybody use the cps? i had heard their pumps weren't real reliable, but i believe GW has had good luck with his

 

[icdog]

Is that cps recovery pump made for butane like the caresaver is?

 

[FatherEarth]

Is that cps recovery pump made for butane like the caresaver is?

no.

@durden

And to say I cant make shatter or glass is ridiculous. The reason Durden pours is because his collection pot is designed improperly and he cant recover the butane in a reasonable amount of time . If your oil waxes up when you scrape it your oil is already screwed up to begin with. Whats the point in pouring when we are trying to avoid letting butane off to atmosphere and dangers of explosion. This is why we use a closed system. So if your getting wax at all your screwing up the oil right durd? It shouldnt have any waxes present using your subzero method correct?


Thanks for your shit talking Durd, it has been motivating

FatherEarth

 

[SkyHighLer]

no.

@durden

And to say I cant make shatter or glass is ridiculous. The reason Durden pours is because his collection pot is designed improperly and he cant recover the butane in a reasonable amount of time . If your oil waxes up when you scrape it your oil is already screwed up to begin with. Whats the point in pouring when we are trying to avoid letting butane off to atmosphere and dangers of explosion. This is why we use a closed system. So if your getting wax at all your screwing up the oil right durd? It shouldnt have any waxes present using your subzero method correct?


Thanks for your shit talking Durd, it has been motivating

FatherEarth

"If your oil waxes up when you scrape it your oil is already screwed up to begin with."

That has been my experience also, trees produce sap, and unless stressed, this sap will continue on as sap/shatter.

FE you're method of flashing wax with a heat gun to get shatter even has a name, the Joe Fresh method, after it's discover and proponent, Joe Fresh. I kid you not, it can be found in an old thread on that 'other forum.' As in, you Joe Freshed it...

 

[mr. durden]

apparently somebody doesn't know how to use the ignore button, although it was humorous watching you assume incorrectly with your responses. i mean who puts someone on ignore only to keep talking about the person they are trying to ignore? hilarious really

well, you seem real good at making wax and then using gimmicks to make it appear like shatter. can you make glass/shatter without gimmicks? that has yet to be seen.

it is designed improperly? how would a person of inferior skill/intellect come to this conclusion? this outta be amusing to see how you explain this please, take some time out of your wax making to explain this... pretty please with sugar on top

i didn't say it will wax up, you open yourself up to the possibility of it happening. scraping freshly made oil is similar to whipping.

why do we do cold extractions? well genius, we are handling the oil less, we are keeping it stable, cold extractions pull less water and waxes so it would be considered partially dewaxed, it is safer, and it makes for a better overall product compared to using heat.

uh, maybe you are trying to save every last drop of butane, but i'm not especially concerned about releasing butane into the atmosphere. most of us use closed loops because it is safer than open blasting, it can be done indoors in states where the laws are stricter, etc. explosions? you think using all those janky walmart fans are safe? LOL.

i realize you are slow and think yourself smarter than you actually are, but dry ice extractions, or i suppose just cold extractions partially dewax the product in the sense that it will pull less than a warmer extraction like you do, but more than winterizing.

i sometimes think you only want to read what you want out of what people are saying. so apparently you have not been especially motivated as this last post of yours is just as bad as you claiming your high heat extractions were this ground breaking discovery, which it wasn't.

maybe you should put me on ignore again until you actually have something intelligent to say. fair?

 

[icdog]

Is there any other recovery pump that is rated for butane other then the caresaver?

 

[mr. durden]

"If your oil waxes up when you scrape it your oil is already screwed up to begin with."

That has been my experience also, trees produce sap, and unless stressed, this sap will continue on as sap/shatter.

FE you're method of flashing wax with a heat gun to get shatter even has a name, the Joe Fresh method, after it's discover and proponent, Joe Fresh. I kid you not, it can be found in an old thread on that 'other forum.' As in, you Joe Freshed it...

i think when i screw something up, it would sound appropriate to say... shit, I FE'd it

lets see, i need to process a ton of material. should i buy 3 IIIa's or build a bigger unit? what would FE do? then do the opposite

 

[high life 45]

Does anyone think an aquarium heating inside a big pot that that collection pot could sit in would work well for heating the water?

Ive been playing with this idea for a lil while. I figure you will need a pump to circulate the water.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Is there any other recovery pump that is rated for butane other then the caresaver?

Check out the Haskel pneumatic refrigerant pumps.

 

[Holden Oversoul]

Sorry if this has been previously answered, but I swear I've read hundreds of Terpenator-related posts and can't remember seeing it answered anywhere. My question regards step #11 of the operating instructions.

11.0 At the end of the last cycle, when the gauge hits -10″Hg, open valve #2 and then valve #3 to dump column.

I've long wondered why after step 11.0 and the pressure is equalized, why valve 2 isn't then closed again to help pull butane back down through the column?
Now that I have a sightglass to observe what is going on at the top of the column I decided to investigate. After step 11.0 the butane is violently frothing in the sightglass. I assume that it's because some of the butane is being pulled off both as a vapor from the top, and as a liquid flowing down the column. I then closed valve #2 (my step 11.1) and I observed the bubbling cease and the level of butane in the sightglass started to travel down rather quickly. Which is exactly what my intuition told me would happen. I left the valve closed for a moment and then re-opened it only because I wanted to finish the run following the standard Terpenator Operating Instruction to not muck up my yield experiment run. Also, noticed a thick coating of ice formed on the column unlike the normal frosting that occurs on column dumps. I made a video that starts with #2 and #3 open, then, I closed valve #2, and finally I reopened #2 which is when you see the butane starts frothing again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HtBqc6loq0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Pay no mind to the gaskets in the sightglass, this just an experimental trash run. Swapping out to the viton for my next real run, tomorrow.

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Holden,
Ive been noticing the same thing since i got my sight glass, I have been opening valve 3 first and waiting to open valve 2 until about 0hg. I have noticed a lot less oil buildup in the top filters since implementing this, and a slight increase in yield(only about 1%).

Durden,
Why don't you turn on the ignore button for Fe if you cant stand his comments so much. Your condescending negativity is killing the good vibes in this thread. You can make a good shatter, so the fuck what? its not that hard, get over yourself.

 

[nakadashi]

Sorry if this has been previously answered, but I swear I've read hundreds of Terpenator-related posts and can't remember seeing it answered anywhere. My question regards step #11 of the operating instructions.

I've long wondered why after step 11.0 and the pressure is equalized, why valve 2 isn't then closed again to help pull butane back down through the column?
Now that I have a sightglass to observe what is going on at the top of the column I decided to investigate. After step 11.0 the butane is violently frothing in the sightglass. I assume that it's because some of the butane is being pulled off both as a vapor from the top, and as a liquid flowing down the column. I then closed valve #2 (my step 11.1) and I observed the bubbling cease and the level of butane in the sightglass started to travel down rather quickly. Which is exactly what my intuition told me would happen. I left the valve closed for a moment and then re-opened it only because I wanted to finish the run following the standard Terpenator Operating Instruction to not muck up my yield experiment run. Also, noticed a thick coating of ice formed on the column unlike the normal frosting that occurs on column dumps. I made a video that starts with #2 and #3 open, then, I closed valve #2, and finally I reopened #2 which is when you see the butane starts frothing again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HtBqc6loq0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Pay no mind to the gaskets in the sightglass, this just an experimental trash run. Swapping out to the viton for my next real run, tomorrow.

On the final dump stage I open valve #2 until the pressure doesn't rise anymore, then I open valve #3 until the pressure stops rising. Then I close #2 again. I don't know the purpose of keeping #2 and #3 both open, but only keeping #3 open seems to speed recovery time up for me.

 

[mr. durden]

Holden,
Ive been noticing the same thing since i got my sight glass, I have been opening valve 3 first and waiting to open valve 2 until about 0hg. I have noticed a lot less oil buildup in the top filters since implementing this, and a slight increase in yield(only about 1%).

Durden,
Why don't you turn on the ignore button for Fe if you cant stand his comments so much. Your condescending negativity is killing the good vibes in this thread. You can make a good shatter, so the fuck what? its not that hard, get over yourself.

it isn't that i can't stand him... i'm just amused at how hard he is trying to prove me wrong, but in the process, he makes himself look even more ridiculous

i certainly can't wait to see him explain what is wrong with my system and laughed so hard when he confused the end product called wax and the dewaxing process done via cold extractions

i never said i was all that or that making shatter is that difficult... well, unless you are FE.

 

[Kcar]

Durden got a time-out... or has he always been 'Banned'

 

[nakadashi]

Durden got a time-out... or has he always been 'Banned'

Oh damn, that's messed up... Hopefully just a time out!