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New investors lighting up legal marijuana industry

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New investors lighting up legal marijuana industry
It looks like any other business conference—lots of suits, name badges, a long line to the buffet—except that the 700 people who each paid $599 to be in this conference hall south of Seattle are in an industry unlike any other: marijuana.
"This conference is 100 percent focused on business," said Chris Walsh, editor of the Medical Marijuana Business Daily. His publication is sponsoring the National Marijuana Business Conference. Now in its second year, attendance has doubled, and more than 30 exhibitors paid as much as $16,000 to talk about investments, equipment, legal services and accounting.
"There's a lot of other types of shows out there that are for the typical stoners," Walsh said. "This is all business and financial."
The pot business is, well, growing. A Gallup poll shows that U.S. support for legalizing cannabis has reached 58 percent. Election night saw pro-marijuana laws passing in places such as Portland, Maine, and Lansing, Mich.
"It's an incredibly exciting time to be in the cannabis industry," said Tripp Keber, an investor and the managing director of Dixie Elixirs & Edibles, which sells products laced with THC (tetrahydrocannabinol, the psychoactive ingredient in pot) to medical marijuana dispensaries.
Business has tripled in 2013, according to Keber.
"Three years ago, nobody was interested in investing, but just yesterday I met with a hedge fund. I met with institutional investors," he said.
Investment action is ramping up as the two states that have legalized recreational "adult use" pot—Washington and Colorado—begin to issue licenses and the first retail outlets prepare to open. The federal government said in August that the Justice Department would not stop states from creating their own regulatory and taxation frameworks.
That federal decision to step back in turn unleashed "pent-up demand" from investors, said Troy Dayton, co-founder and CEO of the ArcView Group, which conducts market research on the pot industry. It recently released a report predicting that the legal marijuana business will increase 64 percent this year and top $10 billion within five years.
"This is the next great American industry," Dayton said.

Banking and taxes

But there are a few weeds in the weed patch. One is banking. Though the federal government is looking the other way, banks remain reluctant to offer a place for growers and sellers to safely store their cash.
At the same time, new private equity and venture capital investors are coming out of the woodwork. Many want to invest in products and services not directly related to pot itself, such as security systems and software programs.
(Read more: Slideshow: A gallery of medical marijuana)

"Mark Twain had a great quote," said Dayton. "He said that when there is a gold rush on, it's a good time to be in the pick and shovel business."
The larger dilemma, however, may be the taxes on recreational pot. How high is too high? Colorado voters passed a 25 percent tax on it, more than three times the state tax on medical pot. Washington has mandated a tax of at least 50 percent, versus no tax on medical marijuana.
"I don't think it has gone very well," said Shy Sadis on the rollout of Washington's new law.
Sadis, a longtime owner of several medical pot dispensaries in Seattle, is applying for retail licenses to sell recreational cannabis. State officials want to close all untaxed, unregulated medical outlets and move everyone into the taxed, regulated recreational side—even though there will be far fewer outlets and the product will cost a lot more.
(Read more: Slideshow: Inside America's pot industry)

"A lot of patients come in here and are upset that medical is going to be gone, and they're thinking, 'Wow, maybe my vote should have went the other way,' " Sadis said.
Keber is confident that buyers will eventually migrate to a taxed, regulated, tested, legitimate system. "The alcohol industry has had 80 years to get the process right," he said.
Whether it takes 80 years or 80 days, few believe the momentum toward legalization will go up in smoke.
"No one knows how this is going to play out," said editor Walsh. "We're going to find out in a couple months."
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BOMBAYCAT

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I have noticed the same thing here. A lot of suits with no previous growing history looking to get rich. It is the last great frontier. I hope big pharma doesn't grab hold of it and ruin it.
 

TheCleanGame

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There's going to be a lot of 'ruining' before it's all over.

Keep in mind that 80% (or more) of the population are still truly ignorant of the facts about cannabis. Only when that has changed will the scalpers stop being able to make money off of ignorance.

I'm still laughing so hard over the 'tax' thing. These people really think they're going to make so much money with a high tax and they would have made so much more with say 2-3%. They just taxed a whole bunch of people out of business and are going to prevent a lot of folks from opening.

Keep it Clean! :D
 

Slim Pickens

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There's going to be a lot of 'ruining' before it's all over.

Keep in mind that 80% (or more) of the population are still truly ignorant of the facts about cannabis. Only when that has changed will the scalpers stop being able to make money off of ignorance.

I'm still laughing so hard over the 'tax' thing. These people really think they're going to make so much money with a high tax and they would have made so much more with say 2-3%. They just taxed a whole bunch of people out of business and are going to prevent a lot of folks from opening.

Keep it Clean! :D

You are so right.What were they thinking levying a 25% tax?Are they so desperate that they would levy a stiff tax on what should be free and legal anyway?I have some reservations about those type of thought processes.What they are doing whether they intend to or not,is to keep "some" people growing their own,not that that is a bad thing anyway.They will never eliminate the black market the way they are doing it.Not that the domestic black market should be eliminated anyway.

As far as Big Biz getting involved,just wait till Monsanto gets a hold of this.We'll have GMO weed with the Terminator gene.If folks don't think that can happen,just look at Uruguay.They plan on letting Monsanto grow their government Cannabis.
 

Jhhnn

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I've said it before- The personal growing provisions of Colorado's A64 are what anchor the whole tax & regulation schtick to reality, something lacking in Washington.

If you find the bottom line of retail cannabis to be offensive, you have a legal alternative. Just grow in complete anonymity. No exams, no cards, no databases, no bullshit. Stay on the right side of plant count rules for low stress low hassle peace of mind. Give it away to your friends when you have enough to smoke what you want until the next harvest. Supplement that with some over the counter product as you see fit.

The position of the anti-growing liquor board in Washington is a slap in the face to all the people who voted for legal cannabis, really an attempt to limit consumption with high prices, particularly wrt Med users. It insures the ongoing existence of the black market & fodder for the enforcement/ prosecution/ prison industrial complex. It also means that the feds can shut down the whole thing & depend on local enforcement to help in suppression efforts.

It stinks, and it's something people in other states need to consider when writing their own proposals.
 
Either way it's easier to get meds when you need them right? what do you guys see an ounce going for after the 25% tax goes into effect?
 

aridbud

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I've said it before- The personal growing provisions of Colorado's A64 are what anchor the whole tax & regulation schtick to reality, something lacking in Washington.

If you find the bottom line of retail cannabis to be offensive, you have a legal alternative. Just grow in complete anonymity. No exams, no cards, no databases, no bullshit. Stay on the right side of plant count rules for low stress low hassle peace of mind. Give it away to your friends when you have enough to smoke what you want until the next harvest. Supplement that with some over the counter product as you see fit.

The position of the anti-growing liquor board in Washington is a slap in the face to all the people who voted for legal cannabis, really an attempt to limit consumption with high prices, particularly wrt Med users. It insures the ongoing existence of the black market & fodder for the enforcement/ prosecution/ prison industrial complex. It also means that the feds can shut down the whole thing & depend on local enforcement to help in suppression efforts.

It stinks, and it's something people in other states need to consider when writing their own proposals.

Amen, Jhhnn.:ying:
 

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