Colorado and Denver weed tax passed

[BOMBAYCAT]

Denver Post Wednesday November 6, 2013

Well it passed. Maybe it will make weed more a more mainstream commodity. I was not in favor of such a high tax. There will be a state 15% excise tax on wholesale product and an additional 10% state retail sales tax. Denver city stacked an additional 3.5% sales tax on top of that. The Denver tax may be raised as high as 15% without asking voters if the city wants more money. My hope is that when the politicos see the $$ they won't repress weed.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Wow that's awful.

The joys of legalization ehhh?

Nothing is truly legal when you get slapped with a tax like that.

Might as well call it what it is a 15% fine on weed.

 

[HUGE]

Next step, ban home grows. We can't have the black market stealing tax money from the children's?

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

Denver Post Wednesday November 6, 2013

Well it passed. Maybe it will make weed more a more mainstream commodity. I was not in favor of such a high tax. There will be a state 15% excise tax on wholesale product and an additional 10% state retail sales tax. Denver city stacked an additional 3.5% sales tax on top of that. The Denver tax may be raised as high as 15% without asking voters if the city wants more money. My hope is that when the politicos see the $$ they won't repress weed.

wow considering that anything sold at WHolesale is not subjected to sales tax... you guys just got your ass handed to you. Tax more then any other product on the shelves today.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

i'm not shocked that this one passed ......... hook education to anything and people will vote for it

you know the dispensary lawyers are gonna lobby hard to complicate things for us now (us being the private growers who just had a big favor done for them)

home grows are going to be hard to ban IMHO. they can only limit me to my 6 plant med grow as it stands and i will never ever have to buy herb unless they get a vote going to change the rules again.

.......... but the government has certainly done dumber shit than that

we'll see

 

[HUGE]

i'm not shocked that this one passed ......... hook education to anything and people will vote for it

you know the dispensary lawyers are gonna lobby hard to complicate things for us now (us being the private growers who just had a big favor done for them)

home grows are going to be hard to ban IMHO. they can only limit me to my 6 plant med grow as it stands and i will never ever have to buy herb unless they get a vote going to change the rules again.

.......... but the government has certainly done dumber shit than that

we'll see

Not as hard as you think. Nevada has been growing their own for over a decade. We are issued agg numbers, the program was originally ran by the dept of agriculture because in oue constitution it says the Plant shall be free from seizure and the only legal means has ben self cultivation for a Decade. But the legislature just passed an ammendment that once the storea open no more home grow. Tjey said the intent of the original law did not allow home grow. Its the twilight zone now adays.

 

[aridbud]

Denver Post Wednesday November 6, 2013

Well it passed. Maybe it will make weed more a more mainstream commodity. I was not in favor of such a high tax. There will be a state 15% excise tax on wholesale product and an additional 10% state retail sales tax. Denver city stacked an additional 3.5% sales tax on top of that. The Denver tax may be raised as high as 15% without asking voters if the city wants more money. My hope is that when the politicos see the $$ they won't repress weed.

It's good that cities and municipalities can benefit for the added tax. Anywhere from 3.5% to 5.0%. My county was 3.5%.


In the Netherlands it's heavily taxed, but you don't see the numbers when you buy your 3 grams (maximum allowed for a sale) of pot or hash. Due to their tax structure on the coffeeshop business, they've maintained one of the highest (no pun intended) standards of living in Western Europe. We can only hope the states approving recreational marijuana will do the same.

 

[BrnCow]

Cha ching!

 

[aridbud]

Cha ching!

Just think of the Moonshine of yore...backwoods swill, good and bad at a hefty price. NOW, moonshine is being made legally and sold. Ca-ching!!!

 

[aridbud]

If you feel the tax is too exorbitant, then GYO. Look at the current "SIN TAXES" on both alcohol and tobacco....consider the state and community tax, just as that.

According to the CO gov. web site, the tobacco products excise tax in Colorado is 40% of the manufacturers invoiced price.

The Colorado excise tax on liquor is $2.28 per gallon, one of the lowest liquor taxes in the country. Excise tax on beer is $0.08 per gallon, again one of the lowest beer taxes in the country.
Tax on Wine is $2.28 per gallon, and is already added to the purchase price of all wine bought in Colorado.

So either grow or brew your own, or go with the majority and pay the tax.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

its the sale on wholesale thats gettting me... You dont tax anything sold at wholesale. Thats how everything is. So they are taxes at wholesale and at resale... thats INSANE!!!

Nothing is taxed at wholesale only when its directly going to the consumer.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Not as hard as you think. Nevada has been growing their own for over a decade. We are issued agg numbers, the program was originally ran by the dept of agriculture because in oue constitution it says the Plant shall be free from seizure and the only legal means has ben self cultivation for a Decade. But the legislature just passed an ammendment that once the storea open no more home grow. Tjey said the intent of the original law did not allow home grow. Its the twilight zone now adays.

Nevada made me a felon overnight. Recently moved to Humboldt County to get my right to grow back.

I just cant get how they can tax it so much.

 

[dddaver]

I can't get over how unbelievably stupid this huge tax rate is. For easy math, say you want a zip of fire that's $100. It will actually cost $125, and even higher in Denver.

So it would be cheaper just to buy your fire from a dealer on the street. As soon as your transaction was over, who could tell where you bought your weed?

I thought one of the biggest reasons supporting legalization was to quell the organized crime and the black market. This move actually supports them, the opposite of the intent. 15% cool. 25+? Way too high.

Like I have always said, I will ALWAYS grow my own no matter what the gov't ever says or does.

 

[aridbud]

In Uruguay, it's $1 per gram...maybe a new tourist trade there!!

 

[Hydrosun]

Denver Post Wednesday November 6, 2013

Well it passed. Maybe it will make weed more a more mainstream commodity. I was not in favor of such a high tax. There will be a state 15% excise tax on wholesale product and an additional 10% state retail sales tax. Denver city stacked an additional 3.5% sales tax on top of that. The Denver tax may be raised as high as 15% without asking voters if the city wants more money. My hope is that when the politicos see the $$ they won't repress weed.

(100 whole sale oz., $1,600 per lb) 1.6k to the grower. $240 in tax to the state.

Shop pays $1.84k per lb. Shop sells at say $300 per oz on average

Shop collects $4.8k for selling one lb. 10% state and 3.5% $40.50 in tax on each $300 oz sold.

From the above example the state collects $15 per oz on the wholesale side and $40.50 on the retail side. Or $55.50 an oz for the state and $100 an oz to the grower.

That sounds about right in Merica. $55.50 for the guys with the guns $100 to the guy who does all the work and pays all the expenses

Well at least it helps the keeeds to put a gun in the face of a farmer.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

Not as hard as you think. Nevada has been growing their own for over a decade. We are issued agg numbers, the program was originally ran by the dept of agriculture because in oue constitution it says the Plant shall be free from seizure and the only legal means has ben self cultivation for a Decade. But the legislature just passed an ammendment that once the storea open no more home grow. Tjey said the intent of the original law did not allow home grow. Its the twilight zone now adays.

we passed amendment 20 in 2000 and it sounds like the way Nevada and Colorado did things are not really the same (not that i know much about how things work there). here they pretty much put it into the state constitution that if you need it and can get a doctors rec you can grow 6 plants at home.

i'm not crazy enough to think that some fuckhead politician won't be able to find a way to make our lives interesting, but taking those 6 plants from us is going to take a statewide vote and i just don't think they are going to have the balls to try that again.

 

[HUGE]

we passed amendment 20 in 2000 and it sounds like the way Nevada and Colorado did things are not really the same (not that i know much about how things work there). here they pretty much put it into the state constitution that if you need it and can get a doctors rec you can grow 6 plants at home.

i'm not crazy enough to think that some fuckhead politician won't be able to find a way to make our lives interesting, but taking those 6 plants from us is going to take a statewide vote and i just don't think they are going to have the balls to try that again.

Yes it seems your constitution is much more protective than ours. Here is the text of our mmj ammendment. Tell me if you think it allows them to ban cultivation.

Sec. 38.**1.* The legislature shall provide by law fora)* The use by a patient, upon the advice of his physician, of a plant of the genus Cannabis for the treatment or alleviation of cancer, glaucoma, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome; sever, persistent nausea or cachexia resulting from these or other chronic or debilitating medical conditions; epilepsy and other disorders characterized by seizure; multiple sclerosis and other disorders characterized by muscular spasticity; or other conditions approved pursuant to law for such treatment.(b)* Restriction of medical use of the plant by a minor to require diagnosis and written authorization by a physician, parental consent, and parental control of the acquisition and use of the plant. *(c)**Protection of the plant and property related to its use from forfeiture except upon conviction or plea of guilty or nolo contendere for possession or use not authorized by or pursuant to this section.**************(d)* A registry of patients, and their attendants, who are authorized to use the plant for a medical purpose, to which law enforcement officers may resort to verify a claim of authorization and which is otherwise confidential.(e)* Authorization of appropriate methods for supply of the plant to patients authorized to use it.2.* This section does nota)* Authorize the use or possession of the plant for a purpose other than medical or use for a medical purpose in public.(b)* Require reimbursement by an insurer for medical use of the plant or accommodation of medical use in a place of employment.

HOME*/*Expert Witness

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

Tell me if you think it allows them to ban cultivation.
Sec. 38.**1.* The legislature shall provide by law for ......(e)* Authorization of appropriate methods for supply of the plant to patients authorized to use it./QUOTE]


FWIW i think it's total bullshit that lawyers,judges and politicians try to fuck with things they should leave alone but if they are looking for a way to do it ^^^^^ there it is.

i'm no legal expert, but the wording in that law sounds ....... lame


i've actually talked to 2 of the guys who were in on writing our amendment 20. they said they thought real hard about the language in the law so that the bullshit that they were seeing politicians pull in california at the time couldn't happen here. most of what they did worked out pretty well so far even though the drug warriors keep harassing everyone as much as they can. colorado was not trying to plug holes in their bleeding budget at the time or i'm pretty sure they would have tried to put words in the law that said the taxes had to be sane too

our politicians tried to say that our law never meant that they could open dispensaries but that shit didn't work out for them. you should have seen how many stoners showed up at the meeting when that got decided! the board of health guy actually said that in all the years he had been there he had never seen half that number of people show up for anything

......... and we won

i hope things work the same way in nevada

 

[HUGE]

Ya that line does botjer me a little. But it is preeceeded by the line the tje PLANT shall be free from seizure. So they first ssy you can't confiscate oeoples plants then it says they must authorize appropriate me hods of suoply.

Not arguing just that I'm really dumbfounded as to how scandalous politituans are.

Tell me if you think it allows them to ban cultivation.
Sec. 38.**1.* The legislature shall provide by law for ......(e)* Authorization of appropriate methods for supply of the plant to patients authorized to use it./QUOTE]


FWIW i think it's total bullshit that lawyers,judges and politicians try to fuck with things they should leave alone but if they are looking for a way to do it ^^^^^ there it is.

i'm no legal expert, but the wording in that law sounds ....... lame


i've actually talked to 2 of the guys who were in on writing our amendment 20. they said they thought real hard about the language in the law so that the bullshit that they were seeing politicians pull in california at the time couldn't happen here. most of what they did worked out pretty well so far even though the drug warriors keep harassing everyone as much as they can. colorado was not trying to plug holes in their bleeding budget at the time or i'm pretty sure they would have tried to put words in the law that said the taxes had to be sane too

our politicians tried to say that our law never meant that they could open dispensaries but that shit didn't work out for them. you should have seen how many stoners showed up at the meeting when that got decided! the board of health guy actually said that in all the years he had been there he had never seen half that number of people show up for anything

......... and we won

i hope things work the same way in nevada

 

[barnyard]

So for a $30.00 eighth of Jack Herer and two $15.00 grams of kief we're looking at a total of $77.10 that includes $17.10 in tax.