Trying to get shater- still to much solvent

[Hash Man]

I have some oil that wont wax so i put it in the vac oven at 120. Been 24 hours and there is still tane in there. Its thin film btw. Any advice?



My iphone keypad has major lagtime with this site. I know how To spell shatter and when to use to word to, too lol, sorry about the bad grammar- it takes too long to post so i just go with it.

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Probably should scrape it onto parchment if your going for shatter, if you purge too long in the glass dish it will be impossible to collect. Once on the parchment, purge till no bubbles, then take out, let cool, and flip the patty over and put it in again till no bubbles. scraping from the dish will provide a bit of agitation that might help the solvent get exposed a little more. Are you leaving the vac running the whole time? Ive noticed some strains tend to hold onto the butane a bit more/longer than others. Hope this helps

 

[SkyHighLer]

That's some beautiful oil man, too bad people prefer hard shatter over sap.

 

[vapeman24]

Probably should scrape it onto parchment if your going for shatter, if you purge too long in the glass dish it will be impossible to collect. Once on the parchment, purge till no bubbles, then take out, let cool, and flip the patty over and put it in again till no bubbles. scraping from the dish will provide a bit of agitation that might help the solvent get exposed a little more. Are you leaving the vac running the whole time? Ive noticed some strains tend to hold onto the butane a bit more/longer than others. Hope this helps

Please do not purge on parchment. You can purge just fine in pyrex. I never remove my oil before its done from the pyrex, never have made budder once this way. From the looks of it you have allot of oil in that dish. The key to making the best oil os to have as little spread over as much surface area as possible. You will use less heat and agitation to purge the product of you do this. I never have more than 8-9 grams in a single pyrex dish. Increases work, but produces shatter every single time even from trim yielding 4-5%.

I also have a vacuum chamber that will hold up to 4 pyrex dishes at once so that helps.

I gotta make a video showing how I do it. Tired of people struggling to make shatter. Really not hard at all.

 

[KonradZuse]

Lmao it isn't butane.

As GrayWolf said it's impossible to get out every C4 Molecule anyways.

I've gotten shatter from boiling water purging, it's just how you do your tech.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I have some oil that wont wax so i put it in the vac oven at 120. Been 24 hours and there is still tane in there. Its thin film btw. Any advice?

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My iphone keypad has major lagtime with this site. I know how To spell shatter and when to use to word to, too lol, sorry about the bad grammar- it takes too long to post so i just go with it.

There is a difference between not waxing and being purged of butane.

How thin is the film and what vacuum levels are you running?

At 120F, you will get some bubbling from decarboxylation. They will be small fizzy bubbles, while the butane bubbles are variable in size and can be quite large.

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Please do not purge on parchment. You can purge just fine in pyrex. I never remove my oil before its done from the pyrex, never have made budder once this way. From the looks of it you have allot of oil in that dish. The key to making the best oil os to have as little spread over as much surface area as possible. You will use less heat and agitation to purge the product of you do this. I never have more than 8-9 grams in a single pyrex dish. Increases work, but produces shatter every single time even from trim yielding 4-5%.

I also have a vacuum chamber that will hold up to 4 pyrex dishes at once so that helps.

I gotta make a video showing how I do it. Tired of people struggling to make shatter. Really not hard at all.

Id like to avoid the parchment too but i have found that once you get a fully purged shatter in a pyrex dish, that it is impossible to get out and into a patty. When i used glass dishes when i open sprayed i would wait to put onto parchment about 1-2hrs into the purge, when butane content was minimal.

How do you store your oil, just leave it in the pyrex dish? How do you distribute it out?

I used to purge in glass in my vac oven till no bubbles, but once i would scrape it again and get it onto parchment i would vac again and get more distinctive solvent bubbles.

I understand what your saying about thin films i purge in very thin films on the parchment. There are more "key"s to making good oil than thin films. I get crystal clear shatter 95% of the time with my methods.

 

[Momerath]

That looks like a pretty big pile in that dish. Have you considered splitting it between two dishes to get a thinner film?

Also, I would lower your temps just a tad. At 120 in a full vac you are evaporating some terpenes and decarbing your oil a bit, which will make it a little stickier and runnier in the end.

But that being said, looks like some really nice oil. Great color! I'd dab it

 

[Hash Man]

Its a taffy today. I flipped it over. Its got big and small bubbles going. I will update later. 115 at -29.5 isnt working for me. I need a tek that works with more weight.

Edit-16 hours later- 7 bubbles have yet to pop.... Will see what it looks like in the morning.

I have a marble slab inside my AI... When my AI is set to 120, my erl is at 100 every time... When my AI is set at 135, my erl is at 115 every time... so my erl is always 20 degrees lower than whaterver my oven is set to.... At this point its set to 150f....

I dont know what else to do but turn its up.... I know everyone keeps saying use 115f at 29.5hg... but its not working.... so i turned the oven up... I am sure the 7 bubbles will pop by morning so I will take a pic then... They are large bubbles.

 

[nakadashi]

Its a taffy today. I flipped it over. Its got big and small bubbles going. I will update later. 115 at -29.5 isnt working for me. I need a tek that works with more weight.

Edit-16 hours later- 7 bubbles have yet to pop.... Will see what it looks like in the morning.

I have a marble slab inside my AI... When my AI is set to 120, my erl is at 100 every time... When my AI is set at 135, my erl is at 115 every time... so my erl is always 20 degrees lower than whaterver my oven is set to.... At this point its set to 150f....

I dont know what else to do but turn its up.... I know everyone keeps saying use 115f at 29.5hg... but its not working.... so i turned the oven up... I am sure the 7 bubbles will pop by morning so I will take a pic then... They are large bubbles.

I am having trouble purging large quantities to a shatter too, what I had to settle for is dividing out the slabs into thinner slabs and purging separately. Should be easier for you since you have a nice shelved vac oven. I spread it nice and thin with the paint scraper too. The downside is that purging becomes a more involved process rather than set-it-and-forget-it like I want it to be, but the upside is that it takes less time to purge to perfection.

 

[Hash Man]

So i am doing some small runs with bomb nugget to see if i can get this shatter down. Here is some Killer Queen Nug taffy.... I cant seem to get it to shatter up. It was in the vac oven at 115 and -29.5 for a little over an hour... After i collected it it looked like this.
...

It was still obviously full of tane so i put my oven up to 125 for an hour or so... Now I have this. It is still sticky but I can tell its almost there...



Here is a blackwater oil after 1 hour at 115 and 29.5 collected.



It is in the oven now.... Not sure where to go from here,someone plz help me out with a shatter tek inside or outside the oven... I need to make sure that these nug runs come out the best they can.
Thanks, Hash.

 

[Hash Man]

So I am sitll working on the shatter.

I got my first vac oven purged honeycomb today with the blackwater oil I posted earlier today. I was going for shatter. I set my vac oven to 135 and put the oil in. After a few hours i checked it and it had obvious crystals forming so I went with it and for another 4 hours or so... And got this stuff... Its strong.




from this stuff



Edit- here is the killer queen taffy i was working on. Its yellowish and offwhite

 

[FatherEarth]

Well some say there is a proper way to make shatter... Ive yet to find a science of the whole process explained with research data. What Ive learned on my own is that just about all oil will turn to shatter, eventually....IF given enough time. I still dont know how to do it properly I guess but heat is the only way for me to get it to rock hard consistency. If I hold true to the temp numbers that are commonly understood, I get pull and snap. Now if given time to set out and its not too thick of a layer, it will turn to hard shatter. Maybe 4 days of sitting out and it hardens up...I can tell by looking at a couple of those patty's if I hit it with one hard blast of heat real quick it would shatter up. Try taking a small piece and puddle it by heating it and see what happens. I just posted a video link in the Terp thread if you dont understand what I mean. Quick flashes of heat on a surface that wont hold the heat in and keep the oil hot. You want it to cool quickly...


A voice from the crowd yells:

Oh no! Dont decarb your oil!...

I was under the impression that decarb'd oil was inferior because of reduced shelf life and lack of terpenes, is there anything other than that to be concerned about? Personally my oil does not sit around or get stored for very long and despite using higher heat, the oil still smells like the original cultivar. You can go too far and end up with that generic floral old hash smell but you really got to keep it hot for a bit for that to happen, IME...

My 2,

FE

 

[Hash Man]

Well some say there is a proper way to make shatter... Ive yet to find a science of the whole process explained with research data. What Ive learned on my own is that just about all oil will turn to shatter, eventually....IF given enough time. I still dont know how to do it properly I guess but heat is the only way for me to get it to rock hard consistency. If I hold true to the temp numbers that are commonly understood, I get pull and snap. Now if given time to set out and its not too thick of a layer, it will turn to hard shatter. Maybe 4 days of sitting out and it hardens up...I can tell by looking at a couple of those patty's if I hit it with one hard blast of heat real quick it would shatter up. Try taking a small piece and puddle it by heating it and see what happens. I just posted a video link in the Terp thread if you dont understand what I mean. Quick flashes of heat on a surface that wont hold the heat in and keep the oil hot. You want it to cool quickly...


A voice from the crowd yells:


I was under the impression that decarb'd oil was inferior because of reduced shelf life and lack of terpenes, is there anything other than that to be concerned about? Personally my oil does not sit around or get stored for very long and despite using higher heat, the oil still smells like the original cultivar. You can go too far and end up with that generic floral old hash smell but you really got to keep it hot for a bit for that to happen, IME...

My 2,

FE

Nice- is that a silicone baking tray you are using?

 

[MOneYMiKe]

Somehow we have been getting nothing but shatter.... plow into pyrex roughtly 115degree water bath, cooled a bit before scraping , transfered to paper ,2 stage vacuum, scientific bowl for vacuum,bowl in a roasting pan in 115 bath with a silicone oven mit on bottom so no direct heat...kinda jerry rigged for shure ,thinly spread thinner the better....key!....imo....maby release vacuum once...in a 45 min pull...we do smaller runs to avoid taffy...were down with shatter.....it usually takes 45min to make shatter this way for us...
We repeat this twice...then the two eventually get molded together when done....
Thanks Grey...FE...Tyler....

 

[Hash Man]

Money Mike- thnx for the reply. Have you
Noticed a cure time for it to shatter up? I made this at around 107 for a couple hours using the rump wax vac oven guidelines. I want to flip the patty but it wont separate from the parch paper yet.

 

[FatherEarth]

how long did you wait before trying to flip it? It sometimes takes a while to set up and get hard despite being cooled to room temp. If after an hour you cant peel or snap it off then Id throw it back in for another round of vac action.

 

[Hash Man]

how long did you wait before trying to flip it? It sometimes takes a while to set up and get hard despite being cooled to room temp. If after an hour you cant peel or snap it off then Id throw it back in for another round of vac action.

been flipping it for a few days. I have waited overnight before putting it back in. I cant dry this oil out... Its too bad because its brand new Jamaica Me Crazy sugar trim...

From rumpwax's video, he said the most important thing for a good vacuum oven purge is understanding this equation....

so maybe we need some custom calibration settings so we can actually know what temp our extract is inside the oven...

I cannot figure this out. Anyone here have some insight... ?
If not I am going to call AI and sort this out.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

From rumpwax's video, he said the most important thing for a good vacuum oven purge is understanding this equation....

so maybe we need some custom calibration settings so we can actually know what temp our extract is inside the oven...

I cannot figure this out. Anyone here have some insight... ?
If not I am going to call AI and sort this out.

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This equation is what you use calibrate your temperature on your AI vacuum oven. I don't know why everyone buys this brand of oven, I hear nothing but problems from owners. From not being able to have consistent temperature, hot spots, leaks etc.
You can check your temperature by using an IR thermometer.

 

[Hash Man]

This equation is what you use calibrate your temperature on your AI vacuum oven. I don't know why everyone buys this brand of oven, I hear nothing but problems from owners. From not being able to have consistent temperature, hot spots, leaks etc.
You can check your temperature by using an IR thermometer.

I hear lots of complaints too, and I had lots of complaints, but after working with the AI for awhile I am prety satisfied. Rumpwax makes some serious shatter so I was hoping to take it to the next level by following his lead and calibrating the oven this way...
I have an IR thermometer, but it wont shoot through two panes of glass unfortunately... And I do wonder how much of a temp swing happens when releasing the pressure valve and sucking in lots of room temp air. The reading I am getting after the oven opens is most likely lower than it was before I released the pressure valve.