Oil for Cancer: Which Solvent?

[Avinash.miles]

the wolf that is gray (skunk pharm)

the wolf that is gray (skunk pharm)

everyone ^^^^ has spelled gray wolf name wrong. just sayin as there is a grey wolf if i remember right. lol carry on. good reading as i am about to make some soon too

i noticed that too, a diff. greywolf.
im sure im guilty of a missspell or two also, basically skunk pharm gray wolf (sp?) is a great resource on IC mag, imho, he is one of the most informative members on iCmag....
my2c

 

[high life 45]

Yes juicing raw cannabis is good for children and toddlers with cancer. I find that the oil is to strong for children but juicing cannabis leaf seems to work well for fighting cancer in children.
With the active ingredients being low in the leafs i can not see it being affective for adults with aggressive cancer.

I am talking about juicing the flowers and leaves..

The juice as I understand it is good for everyone sick or not.

"daily essential supplement"

Also I think that the SEEDED female plant might be the complete answer because the seeds have the natural oil that will make everything more bioavailable.

Please watch these two if you havent already
[youtubeif]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xPmR8j4plw[/youtubeif]

[youtubeif]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgEP9FdIzT8&feature=related[/youtubeif]

 

[thelaughingman]

Graywolf..remind me of playing mgs ..classic.. I cought the cancer a wile back, about a quoter into my treatments I heard about Simpsons cure my first thought was WTF. that's when my world opened up I would like to try and make the oil using organic iso? don't know the cost yet.. thanks for starting this thread..peace

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Thanks for the help everyone, unfortunately my friend died. she didn't even last 2 months after she got diagnosed. We give her a great send off that will be remembered for many years to come.

Thanks again
HGO

 

[Kit_Marlowe]

Everclear is good

Everclear is good

I have made Simpson's cannabis oil was for cancer patients several times. The first time I used ISO 99%, and tossed the remains. For 2 ounces of bud I got around 7 ml of oil, which is the proportional equivalent of what Rick Simpson gets from a pound of bud.

I don't like using ISO because it is a poison. Simpson says that the process removes all of the solvent, but it still freaks me out. Also, the remains are worthless.

I started using pure grain alcohol, e.g. Everclear or similar, and this works just as well. It is a little more expensive, but not using poison is worth it. Also, I have found that the remainder buds are useful and should not be thrown away.

As I said, I get about 7 ml from 2 oz, and Simpson's method of extraction is fairly efficient for people without a lab. But I recently put the remainder bud in a smoothie, thinking that it would be devoid of THC, and found that it was still extremely psychoactive. This leads me to believe that there is still a significant amount of THC in the buds after a Simpson-type extraction.

People reading this might be confused because the Simpson method doesn't ever heat the buds, so how could people get high from the remains? Let me explain. I crushed the buds and soaked them twice with alcohol and then put them aside. I boiled the oil/alcohol in the rice cooker (outside with a fan) and made the oil. The remainder bud is now soaked in Everclear. I put the bud in the oven to dry, and someone turned on the oven. It didn't cook for long, and I don't think the oven got that hot, but that may have been when the bud became psychoactive.

In any case, I had about 4 oz of crushed, used bud. I put around 1/4 cup in a full blender of delicious smoothie. The people who drank that smoothie accidentally got high for a whole day.

So I will continue to use Everclear or a similar grain alcohol.
1. No poison.
2. I will always save the remainder bud. There is still a lot of medicine left after the Simpson process.

 

[RetroGrow]

All alcohol is poison. Everclear is poison. It can kill you. It's illegal in most states. Alcohol is poisonous to every organ in your body. I'm not saying you shouldn't use it for your purposes, just clearing something up.

 

[Mustafunk]

I've found out that the most effective and safest method of medical grade cannabis extraction is the one made with Olive Oil, Coconut oil or similar natural oils, no chemical solvents. I don't want any kind of chemical traces on my medicine to be honest. The only bad thing about this is the fact that you can't really concentrate the preparation like with the volatile solvents. Overall looks like a good compromise.

I'm basing this on doing some research and specially on the interesting information I've found out at this scientific study comparing the cannabis extracts made on different solvents like ether, ethanol or naphta. There are graphics at the end where you can see which extract carries the most cannabinoids and also terpenoids, as important as them!

Really nice read for anyone interested on this issue:

http://www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2013_01_1.pdf

Vibes.

 

[nattynattygurrl]

I am so so so so sooo thankful for this thread and to all of you who took the time to post here and share such invaluable info!!
Big thank you to MustaFunk for posting and bumping this thread today so I would see it!

I am most grateful to you all!

 

[justpassnthru]

The only trouble I find with coconut or other oils used for extractions; the end result is not a concentrate and to be able to dose oneself enough cannabis to render kind medicine...takes too much oil and the side effects from too many oils? Considering the cannabis will give one GI distress until a tolerance is built? And it seems oils are really needed for the body to assimilate the cannabis oil.

Certainly, I see cannabis coconut oil as an excellent way to medicate for symptoms during the day, just not sure about garnering the large dose that one needs for serious disease.

To medicate for symptom management is nice but my goal is to hopefully arrest a serious disease and if possible garner a permanent remission. jpt

 

[rangergord]

Well that confirms my thoughts on the safety of naptha. Alcohol extractions taste awful and most alcohols are not strong enough or contain denaturing poisons. Oil is the only thing left thats safe.

 

[TheCleanGame]

Skip the "Oil" process... solvents suck anyway.

Go straight from hash to canna-pills the way I've written it up here... just scale it up.

You can turn any trim or bud into low grade hash with long runs. This pulls all the medicinal content out and only pulls a bit of plant matter. Not great for smoking so much, but awesome for canna-pills.

Using a hot oil bath and a stainless steel container you can decarb the hash in olive oil and then mix in oat flour or powdered leaf to 'bulk' it a bit.

You can easily vary the strength of the pills by adding more or less oat flour. The less oat flour you add, the more likely you'll need to freeze the pills.

The olive oil makes sure everyone absorbs them at the same speed and gets the same potency. They last about 6-8 hours for every blood type I've given them to.


Keep it Clean!

 

[Flying Goat]

Wow! Excellent thread, y'all!

Hundred - DO look up the Essiac tea - Rene Caisse (Essiac spelled backward). It's an Ojibwa recipe from Canada, also used in the US. Made of burdock root, Turkey rhubarb, sheep sorrell & slippery elm, it does miracles.

Rene Caissee was only allowed to treat terminally ill patients sent home to die after the 'deathcare' industry had sucked all it could out of them. Some had only days or hours to live, yet survived to bury this great lady 45 years later.

It does not react with medications or chemo. I think they have it in a concentrate or even capsule form now. <looking for link>

http://www.essiacproducts.com/essiacextract

They changed the spelling, no doubt to protect themselves... The stuff really works.

Take it from an old NDN.

Oyate myasin.

 

[Flying Goat]

@ JustPassin - Try eating cannabutter on everything, baked into biscuits, cookies, muffins, breads... Butter them with more cannabutter...

You will build a tolerance. I have found when I stirfry, I like to use a good coconut oil, and then, just for the last 2 or 3 minutes, add my coconut oil-canna infusion... In this way, I am getting the good fats and it really does help with digestion.

From there, you can have canna/olive oil on your salads, cannabutter on your bread & in the oatmeal, etc. You are constantly taking in small doses.

If you have trouble with absorbing the oil, try the baked goods way first, with butter on them. Really helps.

I have even made a canna ice cream with goats' milk and liquified coconut oil, honey, and wild fruits. Strawberry, banana, pecan, and something "tangy. Cain't quite put my finger on it..." The fats in the ice cream also help absorption.

Best wishes.

 

[TheCleanGame]

Canna Butter is great for the 'B' blood type...

If you're any other blood type you'll really want to make Ghee out of it first. Amazing stuff Ghee is... healthy for everyone and soooo digestable it really gets those cannabinoids into your system quick.

Once you make ghee out of it... you can deep fat fry with it and it doesn't smoke out the house. It'll also be shelf stable so you can put it in a cupboard instead of the fridge.

Lots of advantages to making ghee out of your butter before using it.

Keep it Clean!

p.s. Store bought ghee is usually made from rancid butter and is disgusting... just don't do it.

 

[MattMatt]

I believe the heat in the rice cooker..

and good stuff Inject..Badkitty is bad ass.. I have mixed mine with coconut oil and it was certainly?? smoother onset maybe.

I mixed them 50/50

The heat from the rice cooker does partially decarboxylate the oil while the solvent is boiling off (how much depends on heat and time) but does not complete the process 100%. Isopropyl alcohol has one of the highest boiling points of all the suitable solvents. It boils at 82.4 degrees Celsius, which is below the recommended temps for rapid decarboxylation. The temp will increase when the alcohol is boiled down to nearly nothing and this is when you need to be careful of not overcooking it. I don't know how much decarboxylation occurs at 82.4 degrees Celsius, and how much time is required for decarboxylation at this temp, and would be very interested to know if anyone has info on decarboxylation at temps below 90. But I am almost certain that the decarboxylation will not be 100% complete from the rice cooker. This is why the coffee warmer stage is recommended, it is not just to evaporate remaining traces of solvent and water, but also to finish cooking it. If you don't have a coffee warmer you can place oil in oven at 110 (Celsius) for an hour, some say less time, some say more, but an hour at that temp is plenty to decarb oil fully. The lack of bubbles or activity is an indication that decarboxylation is complete, and that solvent traces and water are gone. Ovens are not reliable at holding exact heat so check temps at regular intervals to make sure you keep away from max temp of 140 degrees Celsius, as this temp will cause THC to evaporate and possibly degrade some THC to CBN. Others point out that temps above 120 will result in loss of terpines, which are believed to increase some medicinal activity of the cannabinoids. Generally speaking though, cannabis oil made for cancer patients is mainly about THC content and while cooking above 100, and especially above 120, will cause a loss of terpines, and some conversion of THC to CBN, cooking below 100, especially at temps as low as 70 or 80, while likely result in failure to convert all THCA into THC. It depends on what you are looking for. Some people point out that THCA is very beneficial, with out psychoactive effects, and terpines are also valued by many. But for cancer treatment it is THC that seems to have the most value and it is THC content that is considered most important for treating serious cancers.

 

[bigdaddyc9]

Try using Everclear as your solvent.Boils away nicely in rice cooker.Buy a lazer temp gun and keep everything under 220..