Purple Haze Meao Thai and Golden Tiger Offspring Test Grow

[ThaiBliss]

Howdy again,

I can't quit until I say and show a few things about the Purple Haze Thai x SAGE plant. First, it is starting to smell very much like perfume and incense. It still has the sour cat piss that makes me recoil, but the incense is coming on strong. Some of the lower buds look ripe now also:

I am seeing some ambering of the resins which, to me, confirms that it is close. I'll let it go at least another week since there are so many white pistils. Here is the resin with the arrow pointing out a pinkish amber resin head:

I also wanted to show how the Purple Haze Thai pollen changed the SAGE leaves.

SAGE:

Here is a leaf from this plant after the infusion of Purple Haze x Thai from ACE:

I'm diggin' it man! Thanks Dubi!


Happy Growing,

ThaiBliss

 

[LowFalutin]

Congrats!

Congrats!

Look forward to the SR.

saludos!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

The Purple Haze Thai x SAGE plant is being harvested today. Despite there being a significant amount of fresh pistils, they seem to be dying quickly, and there are more cloudy resins than clear. Here are some photos:

This one should show some scale. The picnic table is made from 2 x 6 inch lumber:

The best news is that the aroma has started to show the SAGE influence. While the penetrating sour cat piss citric smell that reminds me of Thai is still detectable, I now smell the woody, sweet and spicy of the SAGE mother. Viva La SAGE! In addition, I can smell the dark berry wine smell from Purple Haze. It smells like I got the best of all worlds in this one. I can't stop smelling it! Soooo... Good! This is probably better smelling than SAGE, which I have considered the best smelling weed I ever grew.




I can't wait to smoke, but I will. The smell "don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing". It will be a month at the earliest.


Happy Growing Everyone,

SmellBliss

 

[k-s-p]

Beautiful TB, great job all the way around, great photography too. Those are amazingly frosty, it would be hard to wait a month

 

[bigherb]

Thailbliss

Nice work ,You have shared some great depth in details here amazing documenting

Damn That is some description ,I hope the smells transfer to Taste . I Imagine both flavors an effects will be complex .The flowering time an the fat calyxes are two great traits. Now without havin details of the smoke this cross seems to me like a keeper

Im sure you kept a cut you can decide if you will let her ripen futher on a future run but she is a beauty an i look forward to a smoke report


Much Respect

1luvbigherb

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thailbliss

Nice work ,You have shared some great depth in details here amazing documenting

Damn That is some description ,I hope the smells transfer to Taste . I Imagine both flavors an effects will be complex .The flowering time an the fat calyxes are two great traits. Now without havin details of the smoke this cross seems to me like a keeper

Im sure you kept a cut you can decide if you will let her ripen futher on a future run but she is a beauty an i look forward to a smoke report


Much Respect

1luvbigherb

BigHerb,

Thanks for the kind words. Judging by the looks and aroma of this offspring, I think Dubi put his heart into the Purple Haze x Meao Thai parent. This looks to me to be the best pairing with my SAGE cut. Then again, when I look at the Golden Tiger child, I think "dynamite comes in small packages".



I do have a mother cuts for both offspring. When I was cutting all the most ripe buds on the PHT x SAGE, and only had the top most buds with the largest number of fresh pistils, I decided to leave these for another week or two. My next plants are not big enough to start flowering anyway, so why not test further ripening now. The GT x SAGE ripened very evenly, and is in the drying tray.

Regards,

ThaiBliss

 

[dubi]

I love the look of the purple haze thai x sage flowers simply mouth watering!
Im glad the hybrid got the interesting aromas from each side. Congrats for the great work and thanks for the detailed updates.

Cant wait for the smoking report!!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I'm still not ready to sample the results yet, but I just finished a trimming session and I'd like to share. First a description of my drying/curing process. I can't say I'm good at this. I can get some good color to develop, but I'm not the best at bringing out the taste. I only recently discovered that I am probably leaving it too moist during the cure. I've always have dried it just enough so that it doesn't mold, and let it sit for a long time. After six months or so, all the green is completely gone and beautiful colors are revealed. I read a thread here at ICMAG that says the humidity should be between 50 and 55%. I checked what I am doing, and mine was more like 60%. I'd get it down to 50% just before smoking. So, I'm trying to get the feel for the lower humidity dry and cure.

I start by cutting the buds off, leaving all the leaf on and a lot of stem. I place it in my tray that has window screen on the bottom and open on the top so there is plenty of air all around. I usually pile it up 4 to 6 inches deep. I dry it between a week to two week depending on conditions.

When the leaves start to get crispy, but the bud feels moist but not wet anymore, it goes into a paper bag with the top closed for the next week or so. While in the bag, I start monitoring very carefully. If the outsides of the bud feel the slightest crispy, the whole paper bag with the buds inside go into a plastic bag for a day or two. It will then start feeling wet again, and I take it out of the plastic. This repeats until it stops feeling wet after being in the plastic bag.

This is when I like to trim off excess leaf and stem. I generally trim it into the original tray with the window screen. At this point, it dries up to feeling a touch crispy, then goes into a plastic zip loc bag. When it goes back to feeling moist, I crack the top open a bit. There is not a whole lot of air exchange doing this. I may go through a few cycles of opening and closing until it goes into a glass jar. Now, any cycling of opening and closing the jar can be weeks apart in time. Recently, this is where the hygrometer comes in, and I am going for the new goal of 50 to 55%.

So that is my process. If anyone has suggestions, I'm all ears.

Anyway, I'm at the point of trimming now. I did the Golden Tiger x SAGE last weekend. The aroma of the buds were minty, caramel, and hashy. It's not real strong smelling, but nice. I have to say though, that these buds were a bear to trim. My scissors kept getting gummed up with resin. What made it worse is that a lot of the leaves had so much resin at the base, that I did not have the heart to trim it off at the petiole. I wanted to give the leaves a haircut while leaving the part where the leaflets come together. I'd have to clean my scissors almost after every bud I trimmed. Very frustrating experience. I'm very disappointed with this strain.


Tonight, I just got done with my early harvest of Purple Haze Thai x SAGE. This is a different story all together. It is very resinous also, but in all the right places. Trimming was much faster and more pleasurable. This plant is all about the aroma. It has a spiciness to it, and also a strong fruit wine smell. It reminds me of a 20 year old port wine from Portugal that I bought once. I generally don't like sweet wine, but this was special. The fruit smell in the bud is so rich and dark, that it borders on smelling meaty, like a Jack Herer I once had. Very interesting. I kept trying to smell it to try to get to the bottom of just what it was, but before I could be satisfied, I'd be driven away by the spiciness. This would make me smell deeply yet again until driven away. This cycle repeated itself the whole time trimming. This caused the trimming to take as long as the GT x SAGE, even though the actual trimming part was much easier. Now that I am done, I can't stop smelling my fingers. More fruit and less spice this way.


I think I'll be testing in another week or two.

All the Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I woke up this morning and went straight to the tray of PHT x SAGE that I trimmed last night. I put the buds in a gallon Zip Lock bag, and took a deep whiff. It dawned on me that I have smelled something like this, Skunk #1.

Let me clarify. There is no skunk, the animal, smell here. But, I once had this cutting... Once upon a time, a long time ago, I had tried some seeds of Skunk #1 from a couple of sources and did not find anything worth keeping. This was in the early days of "modern" cannabis hybridization when the Dutch were creating and dominating the seed market. Funny, I call it modern, and others would call them the old Dutch strains. I was having that familiar feeling of "what are people thinking" because this was such a popular strain, and all I was finding was crap because I'm such a pot snob. Then a friend gave me a cutting of the Skunk #1 that he found. It was glorious. It was the only modern strain that captured the high of Colombian. It was a very dreamy high and wonderful rich aroma and taste. It did smell a touch skunky, but had this sweet rich base to it that was more dominant than the skunk aroma. Everyone loved that one, indica freaks and sativa snobs like me.

PHT x SAGE has that same sickly sweet rich port wine smell that the old Skunk #1 had. God, I love it. If this turns out with a dreamy high like that particular Skunk #1, and the trademark of Colombian, I'd be one happy camper!

I'm in Love,

ThaiBliss

 

[LowFalutin]

when in aroma...

when in aroma...

TB-

I'm attempting to re-veg my NevHzMango for a similar reason.

She's got the classic Neville's antiquechurchwood and metal shop
smells, but also a rich creamy tobacco aroma that complements
the "gentleman's library" elements previously mentioned.

I'm pretty sure the creamy tobacco comes from the Skunk contribution.
I've had Skunk add more ashtray-tobacco smells before (e.g., Kandy Skunk#1),
and thankfully thats not what this one's giving.

So, this NevHzMango is being re-vegged due to her aroma, quickness
to finish (9-10 wks), and bud density- for pollination by Green and
Purple Haze x Thai F3s, and Johnny Blaze F2s. And because she's
unstable, she may throw off some killer phenos after the cross.

But that's a semi-distant future, your smoke reports should be
arriving waaay before then.

have a great (smelling) weekend y
Saludos!

 

[ThaiBliss]

TB-

I'm attempting to re-veg my NevHzMango for a similar reason.

She's got the classic Neville's antiquechurchwood and metal shop
smells, but also a rich creamy tobacco aroma that complements
the "gentleman's library" elements previously mentioned.

I'm pretty sure the creamy tobacco comes from the Skunk contribution.
I've had Skunk add more ashtray-tobacco smells before (e.g., Kandy Skunk#1),
and thankfully thats not what this one's giving.

So, this NevHzMango is being re-vegged due to her aroma, quickness
to finish (9-10 wks), and bud density- for pollination by Green and
Purple Haze x Thai F3s, and Johnny Blaze F2s. And because she's
unstable, she may throw off some killer phenos after the cross.

But that's a semi-distant future, your smoke reports should be
arriving waaay before then.

have a great (smelling) weekend y
Saludos!

I had that tobacco smelling and tasting bud once, I think it was from Northern Lights. Gag! I couldn't believe it. I would rather smoke grass clippings. If it was really potent, I would have kept it.


Good luck with the re-veg. Sounds like a great cross.

ThaiBliss

 

[Gert Lush]

Looking forward to the side-by-side smoke comparison

 

[dubi]

Greetings,

I woke up this morning and went straight to the tray of PHT x SAGE that I trimmed last night. I put the buds in a gallon Zip Lock bag, and took a deep whiff. It dawned on me that I have smelled something like this, Skunk #1.

Let me clarify. There is no skunk, the animal, smell here. But, I once had this cutting... Once upon a time, a long time ago, I had tried some seeds of Skunk #1 from a couple of sources and did not find anything worth keeping. This was in the early days of "modern" cannabis hybridization when the Dutch were creating and dominating the seed market. Funny, I call it modern, and others would call them the old Dutch strains. I was having that familiar feeling of "what are people thinking" because this was such a popular strain, and all I was finding was crap because I'm such a pot snob. Then a friend gave me a cutting of the Skunk #1 that he found. It was glorious. It was the only modern strain that captured the high of Colombian. It was a very dreamy high and wonderful rich aroma and taste. It did smell a touch skunky, but had this sweet rich base to it that was more dominant than the skunk aroma. Everyone loved that one, indica freaks and sativa snobs like me.

PHT x SAGE has that same sickly sweet rich port wine smell that the old Skunk #1 had. God, I love it. If this turns out with a dreamy high like that particular Skunk #1, and the trademark of Colombian, I'd be one happy camper!

I'm in Love,

ThaiBliss

Hi ThaiBliss, im glad you feel in love with your crosses

Skunk 1 has a very deep afghani terpene profile, it has some american sativa influence but the effect and taste is very afghani indica dominant, even the old cheese clone that grows more sativa than 'modern' skunks still produces a very afghani experience.

Guess the purple haze thai x sage will be quite different but i dont know how the sage afghani genetics contributed to the hybrid.

Hope you enjoy soon some samples of your crosses and you can come here to share your opinion! Best wishes!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Dubi,

I have grown and experienced one of the more Afghani leaning leaning Skunk #1s. It was a beautiful round bush that smelled like coffee grounds as it was flowering. Just when it got ripe, the smell turned really skunky. I loved the smell as coffee and as skunk. The buds were dark colored and smoked very hashy and expansive. It was lacking power, or the kind of power that I prefer. The Skunk #1 that I liked had light colored buds, and tall and lanky growth. Instead of the fan leaves turning yellow as it matured, they turned more of an orange color as they faded and fell off.

This strain was so popular back then, I think many seed companies had a version with each breeder going in their own direction with it. The one I liked seemed to lean towards the Colombian/Acapulco Gold side of the cross. I don't know what company it came from, if any. It was passed to me as a cutting.

The PHT x SAGE individual I just finished growing had more internode length than the Zamaldelica or even the Purple Haze Meao Thai father. The leaves were on the fat side, and it did come in very early. Hopefully, the high will come in on the clear and up side, like my favorite sativas do. My SAGE cut, while I would not describe it as energetic, is clear and a touch trippy. If this daughter does not come in with what I'm hoping for, we can still blame it on the indica side of SAGE. My last 3 Purple Haze Meao Thai seeds are precious to me, because I have not experienced it pure, yet. I think chances are very good that these genes will improve the SAGE experience.



ThaiBliss

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

PHT x SAGE Smoke Report Part I

PHT x SAGE Smoke Report Part I

Greetings,

Well finally, after a nice long cure I gave the Purple Haze Thai x SAGE a sample today. It was a good time. The first hour or hour and a half I felt it was definitely stronger and better than the SAGE mother. The difference is that after an hour, the SAGE seems to kick into a second gear and the high actually seems to clear up to a pure touch of trippy. This child does not seem to do that, and has a little less leg to it.

It was definitely quality effect and good potency. If I would stumble across an especially potent pheno, I'd really have something great. I felt this way about SAGE, and I don't think I'd feel this way about this child unless the PHT father didn't have the same "it" in there that I recognize from the old days of sativa greats. This is another experience with a Haze line that confirms my belief that Haze lines are definitely worth the effort to search through. Thanks to Dubi for offering Oldtimer's and his own Haze lines like PHT to enjoy and explore.

For me, 98% of what I'm looking for is the quality and potency of the effect. It is worth noting the good taste and the quick and easy to grow qualities of this individual. I still have the desire to find something better, but I'm going to have a very hard time reducing the number of cuts that I am keeping with PHT, SAGE, and PHT x SAGE. I still have Golden Tiger x SAGE to try!

Some more props to ACE seeds. I originally acquired three packs of ACE seeds, Purple Haze Thai, Bangi Haze, and Golden Tiger. I'm almost half way through searching these seeds, and I am definitely going to put Bangi Haze to use in lowering the flowering times of my genetics. I also found another in the PHT genetics that is as good as anything else I have. That seems like a good batting average to me.

Happy Growing Everyone,

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

PHT x SAGE Smoke Report Part II

PHT x SAGE Smoke Report Part II

I'm posting another smoke report of PHT x SAGE because:

1.) I forgot to mention a few things in the first post.

2.) After re-reading the post, I felt like I did not give it the respect that it deserves.

3.) Like after reading a good book or seeing a good movie, I'm still thinking about it the next day.

One thing I forgot to mention is how when I smoked it, expansion occurred in my lungs and made me cough. It expanded like hash, even though it did not taste hashy. It was more incense and spice tasting. Good quality indica expands like that, and some Colombians from the good old days did also.

Another thing I wanted to mention is that not only was this more potent than SAGE, it is also stronger than the experiences that I had with Bangi Haze or Golden Tiger. There was nothing subtle about this as it hit hard and fast, like a good indica. It was an almost instantaneous high, and peaked in about 10 minutes. Contrary to most indicas, there was no couch-lock at all. When I smoked, I had started a mundane task of separating Hydroton from an old root ball so it could be recycled for my next grow. I hate that job, and after smoking I jumped to my feet and did other tasks where I needed to be moving around more. I worked on making a batch of bio-diesel, cleaned a fish tank, and only later sat down for a game of backgammon.

I actually prefer the pure SAGE and Bangi Haze highs. These strains were able to reach the upper registers or harder to reach corners of my mind that used to be more easily accessed by the old school strains of my youth. However, this particular PHT x SAGE plant would impress a lot of indica and sativa lovers alike. Although it has subtleties, there is nothing too subtle about it. It is both broad spectrum stony and cerebral high that smashes you in the face instantly. It is not creeper or long lasting though. I believe this is what I hear people call a "well rounded" high.

Reiterating the point about Haze lines being well worth searching for great individuals, I must say that I'm glad I made a lot of seeds of this cross. There is Haze in it, probably the largest portion. A good quality indica was probably used also, from the SAGE side. The indica may have been indica crossed with Purple Zacatecas (Big Sur Holy Weed) if rumors are to be believed. Whatever the exact lineages were used, I have the definite impression that it is likely that I may find an individual that more suits the parameters of what I am looking for in potency and effect. The variations possible as a result of this cross may produce a myriad of combinations of effects, some of which may be more precisely what I am looking for. It may be that the scores of more indica looking seedlings that I culled may actually have those trippy and euphoric effects that I have found traces of in pure SAGE and found in spades in another version of Haze.

This is good stuff.

All the Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[dubi]

It's always a pleasure to read your contributions and reports ThaiBliss

I guess a Purple Haze Thai x SAGE is the kind of poly hybrid that has the potential to produce very interesting hybrid plants over average but would need to grow big numbers to find the desired exceptional parental plants, there's too much variability and number of traits involved. The outcome of the single female you grew is really interesting and encourage to explore more the cross. The aromas sounds very interesting, incensey and spicy with the indica/hashy terpene density is the kind of aromas i like to find in the kind of hybrids.

 

[ThaiBliss]

It's always a pleasure to read your contributions and reports ThaiBliss

Dubi - Thanks for putting up with me while I plow through the wide variety of types of highs that I have been finding in your strains, as I search for what is best for me. This has been a road well worth the travel. I still have more to go. I have NepalJam, and I just acquired Panama. Looking forward to these also. Don't forget, I have plans for those Bangi Haze. I'm holding them in reserve.


That is a good segue for me to reiterate what my goal has been. I would like to find a very potent plant with these qualities as my top priority:

Trippy
Euphoric
Energetic
Clear/Clean

I let my path stray when something sounds interesting, but with my priorities in mind, this is my smoke report for the SAGE x Golden Tiger individual I grew. I smoked some today, and it tasted good, with a minty flavor and a bit expansive. The high was pleasant and cleaner than the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai. It's clarity surprised me given my experience with a couple of Golden Tiger aunts. Though quite enjoyable, it did not have as much potency as SAGE x PHT.

Despite the rashness of culling plants based on one test, the difference in potency, and overall effects of the two, caused me to clean out my collection of cuttings. I have such limited restrictions on quantity, that I have to keep only a few examples of strains. This morning I was holding the following cuts of what I have already flowered:

2 Cuts of SAGE
1 Cut of a Male Golden Tiger
1 Cut of a Male Purple Haze Thai
1 Cut of the Cross of SAGE and Golden Tiger Male
1 Cut of the Cross of SAGE and Purple Haze Thai Male
1 Cut of Zamaldelica Untested

I now have:

1 Cut of SAGE
1 Cut of Male Purple Haze Thai
1 Cut of SAGE x Purple Haze Thai Male
1 Cut of Zamaldelica Untested


I would like to cull another cut, so I can make room for some new varieties to test. I can't yet decide. I already felt willing to risk the SAGE to having only one cut, because the combination of potency and quality of the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai cross is strong competition to SAGE. If either one survives some disaster, I would be equally happy to have one of whichever it may be.

The combination of the two strains seem to be well bred example of a good Colombian character of high. The cross is a bit on the stony side, but so was most of the good old Colombian. It still has an energetic quality despite the stoniness. No couch-lock.


Happy Growing,

ThaiBliss

 

[dubi]

It's hard to choose between your own childrens ThaBliss
I understand the space for mother room is limited.

The purple haze SAGE sounds and looks great, for what you described it's the kind of aromas and effect that i would be lookking for in this type of cross, although the pleasant and clarity effect of the GT SAGE cross sounds also very interesting, maybe it's a more a thaish x SAGE expression ....

Zamaldelica is our ACE strain with higher chances to find what you are looking for: Trippy, Euphoric, Energetic, Clear/Clean .... and with strong potency and without an eternal flowering time, you just need to try a few females, all the customers that dig enough in their Zamaldelica pack (especially the standard version) will find great expressions of this type of rare and very desirable sativa effect. Good luck on your quest!

 

[bwoyrude]

Hello,
With all due respect, SAGE seems to me very boring strain without raisins, raisin - is the taste and smell, a handful of hot spices straight
In any case, all ppls have different and personal "high"