otis' vertical experiments and other projects

[bobblehead]

If you've flushed out the medium completely like you said, i'd feed them half strength base nutes for a week.. and then nothing for 2.

 

[otis33]

thanks for the assist boys

 

[DHF]

If you've flushed out the medium completely like you said, i'd feed them half strength base nutes for a week.. and then nothing for 2.

Now see....That "no feed" mentality till chop STILL blows my mind after all these yrs of the debate/debacle of "to flush or NOT to flush"......

The last 2 weeks flower with indoor growing where you "choose" to pull a plant is the MOST critical factor for as much swellage as yas can get out of a plant till end of cycle IME.....

Heath Robinson NEVER flushed a plant before chop , and D9 just testified in his perpetual PPK setup runnin 1.2 EC continuously that the dried nugs were top shelf after decent cure , burned white ash with a smooth taste from a harvested inline plant where all others were younger and moving toward chop at determined intervals....IOW......

The plants finished @ 1.2 EC , were chopped , dried , and cured with NO indication of stored nutes or said snap crackle pop with gray ash harsh tastin bullshit ......Things that make yas go Hmmm.....

Funny that`s exactly the EC Heath rolled and finished with for many many yrs.....Me ?.....Never ran over 1.5 EC/750 ppms for many yrs and dwindled down till chop FTW......

I learned a long time ago what worked best for me was to "slowly lower/dwindle" EC/ppm`s last 2-3 weeks strain dependent till readings were in the 200 ppm/tapwater range of my municipal water supply , and then let a proper slow dry and cure get rid of the rest till ready for market..... anyways.....

Hope yas get em under control so they`ll swell accordingly and help with bottom line returns/yields O.....Good luck and....

Peace....DHF.........

 

[otis33]

I usually start filling the res with ph'd water when it's time to flush and keep topping off with plain water until the res is just water, so I guess I'm a dwindler. I've been experimenting with low feeds and my best gpw yet was the blumat grow feed 1.0 start to finish. there were 4 strains that went in at different times, so the last one pulled was the only that got a proper flush and the first couple got none at all. the no fl ush plants were as smooth and flavorful as the fully flushed. I was upping the feed on these wifi bc it's a new strain to me and I'm still trying to dial her in... this is going to be a strain that will stay in my garden. I should have been watering to more run off...I was keeping it at a minimum since its a pain to drag them out of the tent or even lift them to empty the drip trays.

 

[DHF]

I usually start filling the res with ph'd water when it's time to flush and keep topping off with plain water until the res is just water, so I guess I'm a dwindler. I've been experimenting with low feeds and my best gpw yet was the blumat grow feed 1.0 start to finish. there were 4 strains that went in at different times, so the last one pulled was the only that got a proper flush and the first couple got none at all. the no fl ush plants were as smooth and flavorful as the fully flushed. I was upping the feed on these wifi bc it's a new strain to me and I'm still trying to dial her in... this is going to be a strain that will stay in my garden. I should have been watering to more run off...I was keeping it at a minimum since its a pain to drag them out of the tent or even lift them to empty the drip trays.

Well there yas go....Proof`s in da puddin....

You startin and finishin your best gpw to date with blumats constant fed 500 ppm`s/1.0 ec is right inline with all my old heads at other places even compared to DTW timed fed with coco that is....

Once blumats are dialed they kill it , as long as yas stay on top of em with plant saucers under each container to monitor any potential runaway sensors.....

Non-flushed plants as flavorful and smooth as "fully" flushed plants pretty much says it all when yas`re runnin lower ppm`s/ec across the board.......

Speaks volumes from first hand experience compared to starving and denying the last chance at swellage till chop by only givin em straight water for 2 weeks ?.....anyways....my 2 cents from all them yrs....Keep stroking O.....

Peace....DHF.........

 

[otis33]

true , once dialed the blumats are the shit, my blumat plants are always happy... almost always

 

[bobblehead]

K guys lets review the facts real quick...

The runoff EC was 1.6. Whether the input EC was 1.0 or 0.4, and the runoff came out at 1.6, then what was in the coco? I guarantee it was higher than 1.6. Probably closer to 2.0 with an input EC of 1.0.

If the plants had been fed 1.2-1.5EC throughout the grow without salt buildup, then feeding them up until the last week when you dilute the nute solution down to nothing would make sense. That's not the case in this instance. In my opinion, I would go for the longer flush vs. risking a harsh burn... Judging by the dark green color and the leaf curl.

To each their own... You've seen my pics otis. The last pic of the DGSC#3 was in coco fed jack's hydro+cal/nit.

 

[otis33]

when there is a build up off salts in the medium, are they still usable by the plants? ... if I were to have just started flushing would the plant "eat" those salts until they werer gone?

 

[bobblehead]

The residual salts were flushed out... But you don't know what stayed in the medium and what what into the plant. Synthetic nutrients are highly plant available and are readily absorbed, making it easy to overfeed. Overfeeding kills yields just like flushing too early when its not necessary. Not to be a dick dude, but your plants are over-fed. It has plenty of stored nutes, and it'll take at least a 2 week flush to get the green out of the fans.

Again, this is just my opinion... You have to know your plants and how they're going to react.

 

[otis33]

I love some constructive criticism, no offense taken.

 

[Desert Hydro]

i ran 501st and it was good quality but didnt yield for shit. it was not run again. i dont have time to run low yielding strains

 

[Born Loser]

Thanks for the input DH.
I have 1,a tester, in a Coco hempy tub that's not even a qt. It's maybe 20" and is going to yield well. Nice top and ping pong ball lowers. Guess I'll have to try her at full throttle and see..
How was the high? In 25 yrs I've not gotten buds this hard.

Hijack over. Lol. Sorry Otis

 

[Desert Hydro]

high was good and strong. everyone liked it, and a few even loved it. haha i had forgotten how hard the buds were. i could have put one in a slingshot and done some serious damage

 

[Born Loser]

Thanks!

 

[DHF]

The residual salts were flushed out... But you don't know what stayed in the medium and what what into the plant. Synthetic nutrients are highly plant available and are readily absorbed, making it easy to overfeed. Overfeeding kills yields just like flushing too early when its not necessary. Not to be a dick dude, but your plants are over-fed. It has plenty of stored nutes, and it'll take at least a 2 week flush to get the green out of the fans.

Again, this is just my opinion... You have to know your plants and how they're going to react.

As long as you`re talkin bout "1/2 strength" flushes for couple weeks Bobbles , I`d say the end result could possibly end up around the same parameters as dwindling down feed till end of cycle......but....

Continual flushing of the medium with just water in place of timed lowered feeds for the last 2 weeks on the vine , only starves and deprives the plants of the "last push" for max swellage guaranteed .....for the record.....

What I found as the "easiest" way to rid the plants of residual N after end of stretch , was to indeed gradually remove all fanleaves "with stems" over a couple weeks to begin the rest of the plant`s "yellowing off" process of plant senescence/cannibalizing themselves of all residual juice stored till Harvey.....

Usedta shove upwards of 17-1800 ppms up my krusty bucket plants EVERY day for 5-7 days , and then flush w/R/O water 24-36 hrs continuously till ppms were back down in the low 200`s....and then do it again for another 5-7 days.....and....

Grew 2 1/2 lb plants , but prolly coulda done it with 6-750 ppms continuous start to finish with NO flush , just didn`t know any better back then and did what I was told by Hitler the Klown and it worked......for many yrs btw....but now....

Flushing with straight H20 is appropriate with fools that don`t have a clue about less is more and jack their plants up all the way through the grow cycle with 2.5 - 3 EC and up , but.......

Runnin 6-750 ppms , it`s just not needed even though I always went the extra mile to dwindle mine down to the 200`s/tapwater levels and let a proper slow dry and 4-5 week cure take care of the rest......anyways....

Good luck O.....DHF..........

 

[otis33]

a couple of pics of the double stack blumat donuts:

 

[otis33]

a quick list of the seed plants that will be going in the ppk soon:
*BOG
sweet& sour Cindy(1)
* rare dankness
commerce city kush(2)
ghost train haze#8(3)
cougar piss(1)
* connoisseur genetics
hippy stash(2)
* cannacopia
chunk d(2)
resin bomb(2)
*cannafornia
border haze(2)
sativa loco)2)
* ganja rebel(1)
freebie

 

[Avinash.miles]

good looking plants otis, and im excited to see some of your up and comers... funny that you got the chunk D, i think i jhave a cut of it, the chunky diesel its called by me, sour d x deep chunk?
also im excited to see that commerce city kush... and i ran cougar piss a few years back and enjoyed it for the most part.

keep it up, I'll be lurking.

 

[otis33]

:a quick pic of my next seed run that is going to be soaked today... very excited about all of these. so many fir genetics to search through on seedbay, I'm on a quest to find a yielder with all the smell flavor and high qualities that me and my custies love. there had to be some gold in there somewhere

 

[SecondAttempt]

I got the Strawberry Diesel Kush... second run with it and it's looking great. I'll snap a pic at lights on if you want.