Unclefishstick's Guide to Home Bicycle Repair
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Just for the sake of anyone thinking of getting that stuff with that label, it's floranectar not floranova. The nova is a one part full fertilizer.
Morning miscreants!
Morning miscreants!
sheesh,what did yah do,go to a vocabulary building camp or somethin? miscreants indeed...
mornin fellers..
mornin fellers..
Morning all! Thought id throw my 2 cents in about veg strength. With my H&G line ive learned, like most, that less is more. My ladies typically dont like anything higher than 6ml/gal base + additives. I just mixed up a batch for the transplant at 2.5ml/gal + roots, drip clean, and amino and my truncheon reads at .6EC. I believe the highest i EVER go is 1.2.
All you coco guys, do you check the EC of your runoff? Are any of you guys multiple feeds?
Dans, those halo drippers work great, especially in 2 or 3 gal smarties! Used them last run and they put out a nice even coverage of juice!
All you coco guys, do you check the EC of your runoff? Are any of you guys multiple feeds?
Dans, those halo drippers work great, especially in 2 or 3 gal smarties! Used them last run and they put out a nice even coverage of juice!
morning fellerz 
Pappy .... that stuff has more pottasium than it does anything else & would throw off the cations in my coco to the point i'd have to use more calcium than i already am ..... not good for coco ! but thanx
WL .... i normally feed the same way ... i'm only boosting it in hopes that GG is just a heavy feeder in veg .
coco's runoof will NOT give you a correct reading of whats going on in the pots . you need to do a slurry test to get actual readings ..... but it will give you an idea if the PH or EC is to high or low ....
silver & Mr D .... how much epsom would you guys add to your nutrients to combat a mag def ??? i know foliar works better & faster than adding it in ..... i do both . i just want a correct dose to put in the rez without over doing it .
the last time i vegged GG I had this same problem & a few foliars of Epsom & protekt fixed it in a few days ..... but i was upping the feeds at the same time , so i'm not sure what really helped .... just trying to narrow it down .
my mom of it looks great & so do the ones in flower .... its just at this stage & its not light strength cuz it started under the T5's & is still happening in under the MH .
Pappy .... that stuff has more pottasium than it does anything else & would throw off the cations in my coco to the point i'd have to use more calcium than i already am ..... not good for coco ! but thanx
WL .... i normally feed the same way ... i'm only boosting it in hopes that GG is just a heavy feeder in veg .
coco's runoof will NOT give you a correct reading of whats going on in the pots . you need to do a slurry test to get actual readings ..... but it will give you an idea if the PH or EC is to high or low ....
silver & Mr D .... how much epsom would you guys add to your nutrients to combat a mag def ??? i know foliar works better & faster than adding it in ..... i do both . i just want a correct dose to put in the rez without over doing it .
the last time i vegged GG I had this same problem & a few foliars of Epsom & protekt fixed it in a few days ..... but i was upping the feeds at the same time , so i'm not sure what really helped .... just trying to narrow it down .
my mom of it looks great & so do the ones in flower .... its just at this stage & its not light strength cuz it started under the T5's & is still happening in under the MH .
i use the same strength feed in veg no matter the size of the plant and i almost never have any def problems,same in flower too really,i always try and find the very least amount i can use thats effective...
im going to bet that the real cause of everyones mag def symptoms is going to have to do with how wet the root zone is or isnt...theres a whole interaction that goes on with sulpher and calcium and water within the medium and inside the plant and all that is related to how the plant is transpiring and root zone temps versus air temps...
what im trying to get across is that something like your local weather patterns changing can have a big influence on whats going on with your plants even indoors in a climate controlled space...and seasonal changes can also greatly effect your waters mineral balance and pH...
so while it looks like you are having a mag def problem im guessing its root cause is something else entirely...
im going to bet that the real cause of everyones mag def symptoms is going to have to do with how wet the root zone is or isnt...theres a whole interaction that goes on with sulpher and calcium and water within the medium and inside the plant and all that is related to how the plant is transpiring and root zone temps versus air temps...
what im trying to get across is that something like your local weather patterns changing can have a big influence on whats going on with your plants even indoors in a climate controlled space...and seasonal changes can also greatly effect your waters mineral balance and pH...
so while it looks like you are having a mag def problem im guessing its root cause is something else entirely...
Lotus, I notice black hole drippers recommend a 2 gph button dripper when using 1/4" tubing yet doesn't look like you went that route. Any thoughts on that?
Unclefishstick, the biggest miscreant and curmudgeon among us.
Unclefishstick, the biggest miscreant and curmudgeon among us.
i prefer rapscallion...and no thats not a green onion with a perchance for rhyming....
Its a good thought Unc .... but i don't think its my problem here . even though the room is cooler than it has been . i still give them time to dry out in veg to build roots . & my feeds are less often cuz of them being a bit cooler . so they may get saturated at feeding .... they have a few days to dry out first before i hit them again . i go by pot weight .
I did notice that the PH of my water source tanked last week some time & i have had to adjust differently ..... but it hasn't effected my EC cuz its still 0 water no matter what the PH is . the same with minerals & micro's ..... there is none cuz i filter them all out with DI filters .which is one of the things that might be causing the defs ..... dunno !
i still want to check the PH & EC of my water with the DI filters disconnected .... if its under 50 ... i may try the water with just the RO filtered . but that does play with how my PH fluctuates in the rez's
One their website they definitely do suggest a 2gph button, but i have never used one. To be honest, i never have used those buttons so im not 100% sure how it would affect these...would it slow down the rate of low?
Granted, im only running 4 plants so that could be why i havent ever needed em....i just have the pump run at full speed and it gets plenty of pressure to spew out all 5 holes in the dripper halo
Last run i only had 2 of those drippers comin off a 196gph pump and at right about 55 seconds id get runoff, so i would just set my time for a minute each feed. I feed to runoff each time....how do you go about doin it third?
Dans, i check my runoff EC to see how much the plants are feeding. If i am feeding 1.2EC and im getting 1.5/1.6 EC runoff i know to add a little water to the res to tone down the EC for that res cycle. Ive had times where my runoff EC was close to 3!!
i could be doing this completely wrong, but thats what has worked for me in the past.
i could be doing this completely wrong, but thats what has worked for me in the past.
well frack,got a set of skinnier tires yesterday but of course the tubes i have dont fit not to mention one of my spare inner tubes was flat anyway which i suppose was a good thing to find out before i was expecting to have 2 intact spares...
getting myself psyched up to do the full 100k this weekend,i know i can do the 50k easily,and sure i can do the full 60 mile ride...but i expect to be mildly wrecked afterwards...
getting myself psyched up to do the full 100k this weekend,i know i can do the 50k easily,and sure i can do the full 60 mile ride...but i expect to be mildly wrecked afterwards...
Yup just Epsom salt and water in that fancy bontanicare bottle. I just bought 12lbs of the stuff for 6 bucks, doesn't have a fancy label though.......
Well, I think we know who got the last laugh..
You poor, poor thing, all without a neat-o bottle
LOSER
HAVE A NICE LIFE
I also check runoff if I have plant issues(been a long time). I can tell very early if plants are not liking something. My first check is runoff. I have found the readings off scale
(very hot soil) meaning the EC was so high it would not read on others I have found over 4000ec(lockout) this is very bad and needs to be flushed. no matter what you do to fix the issue you have to get the medium back to a reasonable ec runoff level. After I fixed that every plant has recovered from what was bothering them. Another simple test is to push a stick all the way to the bottom of the container let it sit for a min pull it out and smell the tip. If it smells like sulfur/rotten eggs your root zone is to wet..
Try a few plants in soil you wont have any headaches. Unc don't you use soil as well? Its so easy to use that's why I use it. I don't have the time to tweak every plant or strain.
(very hot soil) meaning the EC was so high it would not read on others I have found over 4000ec(lockout) this is very bad and needs to be flushed. no matter what you do to fix the issue you have to get the medium back to a reasonable ec runoff level. After I fixed that every plant has recovered from what was bothering them. Another simple test is to push a stick all the way to the bottom of the container let it sit for a min pull it out and smell the tip. If it smells like sulfur/rotten eggs your root zone is to wet..
Try a few plants in soil you wont have any headaches. Unc don't you use soil as well? Its so easy to use that's why I use it. I don't have the time to tweak every plant or strain.
technically no one who grows indoors is using "soil"...im actually a medium based hydroponic grower...
lol,the whole organics thing just cracks me up....white people are kinda silly about it and rarely examine the actual cost to the environment or possible social consequences....as long as their spoiled little montesori brats are getting there quinoa crunch breakfast cereal with organic soy milk who gives a fuck whether some quecha can afford their native grain? as long as you used a reusable shopping bag and stuffed into the back of your prius on your way to spin class its all good...
lol,the whole organics thing just cracks me up....white people are kinda silly about it and rarely examine the actual cost to the environment or possible social consequences....as long as their spoiled little montesori brats are getting there quinoa crunch breakfast cereal with organic soy milk who gives a fuck whether some quecha can afford their native grain? as long as you used a reusable shopping bag and stuffed into the back of your prius on your way to spin class its all good...
Tell us how you really feel unc!
No, seriously, please tell us quickly, before you tell us to get off your lawn
lol,i feel like its a bad idea for me to go to the coop when im blazed out of my gourd on gorilla glue! rotten yuppie pukes!
speaking of actual soil,i was working in the veggie beds this morning and was really amazed at the trans-formative power of nature...to see how much all the stuff i had in the beds has all broken down and turned into something so nice considering what i started with...it was nothing but sand and rootballs just last year and now it really looks to be shaping up,i claim no credit at all for it aside from keeping it wet all summer and i knew nothing about organic veggie gardening....now i know next to nothing so im a big step up!
what is your medium comprised of ? coco? soil? rock lol..... My medium is a mix of stuff that looks like soil Bag says potting soil(happy frog)I have no other way of describing it a bunch a stuff all mixed together like peat,wc yada yada ...
soil-less based medium is just a medium that does not change the chemical makeup(inert). Happy frog changes that so mine is a soil medium.
The hallmark of hydroponic gardening is a soil-less growing medium... No soil! But plants need to be supported or held up somehow, right? We do this with soil-less media... inert, non-organic materials.
They do not add to or change the chemical makeup of the nutrient solution in any way. These substances are porous, light, and coarse, which allows oxygen and nutrients easy access to the plants roots. I know you have probably posted that info a few times I just don't remember I have a bad memory
http://www.hydroponics-simplified.com/hydroponic-growing-medium.html
soil-less based medium is just a medium that does not change the chemical makeup(inert). Happy frog changes that so mine is a soil medium.
The hallmark of hydroponic gardening is a soil-less growing medium... No soil! But plants need to be supported or held up somehow, right? We do this with soil-less media... inert, non-organic materials.
They do not add to or change the chemical makeup of the nutrient solution in any way. These substances are porous, light, and coarse, which allows oxygen and nutrients easy access to the plants roots. I know you have probably posted that info a few times I just don't remember I have a bad memory
http://www.hydroponics-simplified.com/hydroponic-growing-medium.html
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