Soggy coco dtw

[azad]

Hi,,
I'm begining a SOG grow, DTW with a drip system.
Nutes will be H+G ,a+b along with Roots excel, Amino treatment, shooting powder, enymes,superthrive.plus a few other bits along the way. The room is approx. 70ft square. have fitted 6x600w hps. built a raised angled floor with a drainage to catch runoff. have 31 cuts rooted and just vegging up.
Summer temps have dropped so all should go as expected.. Ive purchased the largest carbon filter (10"x40") I could find lol.
Wish me luck!

 

[coxnox]

Hi,

nice sog set up, wish you good luck my friend !

 

[killerweed31]

cant wait bro, looking great start!!
im tuned

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Great looking room mate, built with a lot of care and attention. Are you putting your waste down that drain pipe? Does it go outside the room? Which strain are ya growing? How much veg time are you giving the plants? Have you got netting to support the plants? You will need to double net them, put the first net up around day 10 flower and the second layer after they have finished stretching and have entered swellage mode but remember once that net is up and they have grown through it you won't be able to pull the plants out without lots of hassle.

That is one huge ass filter, how big is that thing?

Excited for you mate, I know you're gonna kill it

HGO

PS Sorry for all the questions.

 

[azad]

be a light

be a light

Hi,

nice sog set up, wish you good luck my friend !

Thank You my friend, Your luck and good wishes are kindly felt!

cant wait bro, looking great start!!
im tuned

Welcome bro,, Great to have you along for this one.

Great looking room mate, built with a lot of care and attention. Are you putting your waste down that drain pipe? Does it go outside the room? Which strain are ya growing? How much veg time are you giving the plants? Have you got netting to support the plants? You will need to double net them, put the first net up around day 10 flower and the second layer after they have finished stretching and have entered swellage mode but remember once that net is up and they have grown through it you won't be able to pull the plants out without lots of hassle.

That is one huge ass filter, how big is that thing?

Excited for you mate, I know you're gonna kill it

HGO

PS Sorry for all the questions.

Welcome !! Respect for popping in mate! Your inputs highly valued here.

Yes well spotted, run off travels down the drain pipe and connects to the room next doors on suit shower drainage pipe, so travels down and out.
The strain well, I just have 21 cuts of Bubble Gum Pre 2k (serious seeds).
Along with a tray of 10 spare cuts I got off a mate. fingers crossed.
They've been in them pots for 2 days, aiming for another 7 days max possibly.
I'm out shopping for netting today mate,I will be following your good instructions. Thanks.

The filter has a 10" vent, but is approx. 5ft tall. well heavy cant hang dis bitch up. Have it connected to a very large box fan, Which barely runs with the 2 lights currently on during veg. so fingers crossed it will cool the room with 6 lights nicely.
I have a 10" rvk intake in the ceiling also, Got the 6 ballasts in the loft in boxes with a 6" rvk extracting the heat out the roof.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

The grow is looking great, the only thing that I would change would be to use smaller pots, I would use 3.5Ltr pots instead of them pots, are they 6.5Ltr? The look like the exact same ones that I use, also be careful with them pots because sometimes the bottom holes aren't always punched out for some stupid reason.

Using smaller pots will allow you to feed 3 times per day without any problems, I would be concerned about feeding over 1 time per day with 6.5Ltr pots and such short veg time simply because the roots won't have a chance to fill that pot where as if you were to use smaller 3.5Ltr pots the roots will flourish. Have you potted up everything or just them? If you haven't potted up everything than I would seriously consider using the smaller pots my friend either that or else don't be going over 1 feed per day until 21-28 days flower.

HGO

 

[azad]

Yes I should have known better, Thanks for pointing this out!!
Sadly they were all potted up 2 days ago,in a rush
They have 2" of clay balls at the bottoms for drainage and around 5 litres of coco.both strains are very vigorus rooters ive found.fingers crossed.
3x sack of coco did 31 pots with 1 sack of clay balls.
I have more plants to pot up, so off shopping for smaller pots

 

[Johnny Redthumb]

i agre with hgo, its important to match veg time with pot size to ensure good roots. coco cant be overwatered SO LONG AS you have plenty of roots coming out of the bottom. a good rule of thumb is to let the coco dry out fully twice after transplant into bigger pots before constant or multiple feedings to keep it constantly moist. usually veg 2 weeks in the pots they will flower in and you'll be good! also a lil bit of hydroton or perlite on the bottom of the pots will discourage wicking amd help em dry more evenly!
best of luck!

 

[siftedunity]

The grow is looking great, the only thing that I would change would be to use smaller pots, I would use 3.5Ltr pots instead of them pots, are they 6.5Ltr? The look like the exact same ones that I use, also be careful with them pots because sometimes the bottom holes aren't always punched out for some stupid reason.

Using smaller pots will allow you to feed 3 times per day without any problems, I would be concerned about feeding over 1 time per day with 6.5Ltr pots and such short veg time simply because the roots won't have a chance to fill that pot where as if you were to use smaller 3.5Ltr pots the roots will flourish. Have you potted up everything or just them? If you haven't potted up everything than I would seriously consider using the smaller pots my friend either that or else don't be going over 1 feed per day until 21-28 days flower.

HGO

I use 6 or 7 litre pots, stick the small plants in and flip immediately. the roots are coming through the holes at the bottom in three days. and at harvest the roots system is so thick I cant stick a spade through it.
I kinda question feeding three times a day (more nutrients and water etc) and using smaller pots. generally the bigger the root mass, the better the yield. they will easily fill the pot...

good luck azad!

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Yes I should have known better, Thanks for pointing this out!!
Sadly they were all potted up 2 days ago,in a rush
They have 2" of clay balls at the bottoms for drainage and around 5 litres of coco.both strains are very vigorus rooters ive found.fingers crossed.
3x sack of coco did 31 pots with 1 sack of clay balls.
I have more plants to pot up, so off shopping for smaller pots

Azad if it's going to be too much of a nightmare then just go with it for this grow, water once per day for 2 weeks and then start feeding them 3 times per day, you might be able to multi-feed in less time, keep pumping the root stimulant into them and get that root ball into 6th gear. I don't know how many plants you are going to have in that room but it look like you will have a lot so screw it you might as well go with it this run and hey it will be good to compare the results next run when they are in smaller pots. Keep all the plants in the same size of pots, don't pot up the rest into 3.5Ltrs and have the others in 6.5s because it will mess up your feed times. BTW which feed timer did you get? I got a great interval timer from Progrow a few years ago and I swear by it, you can feed in 15 second intervals right from 15 seconds to 16 minutes It's quality and very user friendly, a child could operate it.

I use 6 or 7 litre pots, stick the small plants in and flip immediately. the roots are coming through the holes at the bottom in three days. and at harvest the roots system is so thick I cant stick a spade through it.
I kinda question feeding three times a day (more nutrients and water etc) and using smaller pots. generally the bigger the root mass, the better the yield. they will easily fill the pot...

good luck azad!

Sifted, I used to think the EXACT same way. I thought to myself why use smaller pots, surely the bigger the pot the bigger the root system i will have. That line of thinking would be more inclined to growing in soil (except of course if you were looking to grow very large plants in coco with a lot of veg time), if I were growing in soil I wouldn't grow in anything less than 12Ltrs but here's the thing thing, coco is a whole different ball game, because it is a soilless medium it behaves a lot different than soil, basically you can grow much bigger plants in smaller pots for example, I grew this 9.25oz Chem D in a 6.5Ltr pot of coco, it had approx 4 weeks of Veg...

Chem D
Day 31 Flower, yielded 9.25 Oz

You can follow that thread right here. I don't see the point with growing in pots any larger when this can be done in 6.5Ltrs, in fact larger pots would mean less feeding which in the end would only damage my yields.

IMO it's all about oxygen, once you have a built up root system and you start feeding it multiple times each day you are effectively giving the roots fresh O2 each time you water it, the fresh water will saturate the medium and as it works it's way down it will draw in fresh oxygen from the top which the roots will suck up, that's just one of the main reasons why multi-feeding in coco works so well.

The roots explode in coco too, here's a pic of my roots with 4 weeks growth from rooted clone...

Root Growth
4 Weeks From Rooted Clone

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I have grew in coco by feeding every few days and I've never got roots like that in 4 weeks, sure I've had a thick root ball at harvest when feeding every other day but to have that size of a root ball before you even go into harvest gives your plant an amazing start to be the absolute best that it's genetics allow.

Have you tired multi-feeding mate? If you did how did you go about it and what were your final thoughts?

Azad I'm very sorry for hijacking your thread like this, I know you are gonna rock this room, I'll be here to help ya as best I can, bet on it.

Peace,
HGO


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[siftedunity]

Azad if it's going to be too much of a nightmare then just go with it for this grow, water once per day for 2 weeks and then start feeding them 3 times per day, you might be able to multi-feed in less time, keep pumping the root stimulant into them and get that root ball into 6th gear. I don't know how many plants you are going to have in that room but it look like you will have a lot so screw it you might as well go with it this run and hey it will be good to compare the results next run when they are in smaller pots. Keep all the plants in the same size of pots, don't pot up the rest into 3.5Ltrs and have the others in 6.5s because it will mess up your feed times. BTW which feed timer did you get? I got a great interval timer from Progrow a few years ago and I swear by it, you can feed in 15 second intervals right from 15 seconds to 16 minutes It's quality and very user friendly, a child could operate it.



Sifted, I used to think the EXACT same way. I thought to myself why use smaller pots, surely the bigger the pot the bigger the root system i will have. That line of thinking would be more inclined to growing in soil (except of course if you were looking to grow very large plants in coco with a lot of veg time), if I were growing in soil I wouldn't grow in anything less than 12Ltrs but here's the thing thing, coco is a whole different ball game, because it is a soilless medium it behaves a lot different than soil, basically you can grow much bigger plants in smaller pots for example, I grew this 9.25oz Chem D in a 6.5Ltr pot of coco, it had approx 4 weeks of Veg...

Chem D
Day 31 Flower, yielded 9.25 Oz​

View Image​

You can follow that thread right here. I don't see the point with growing in pots any larger when this can be done in 6.5Ltrs, in fact larger pots would mean less feeding which in the end would only damage my yields.​

IMO it's all about oxygen, once you have a built up root system and you start feeding it multiple times each day you are effectively giving the roots fresh O2 each time you water it, the fresh water will saturate the medium and as it works it's way down it will draw in fresh oxygen from the top which the roots will suck up, that's just one of the main reasons why multi-feeding in coco works so well.​

The roots explode in coco too, here's a pic of my roots with 4 weeks growth from rooted clone...​

Root Growth​

4 Weeks From Rooted Clone​

View Image​

I have grew in coco by feeding every few days and I've never got roots like that in 4 weeks, sure I've had a thick root ball at harvest when feeding every other day but to have that size of a root ball before you even go into harvest gives your plant an amazing start to be the absolute best that it's genetics allow.​

Have you tired multi-feeding mate? If you did how did you go about it and what were your final thoughts?​

Azad I'm very sorry for hijacking your thread like this, I know you are gonna rock this room, I'll be here to help ya as best I can, bet on it.​

Peace,​

HGO​

also sorry for the hijack...

yes I grow in coco aswell.. im lucky to have had more than one flowering room the last couple of years and I had one set up on drippers with 2 feeds a day, 24 plants under 2 x1000w, coco with pebbles at the bottom the same.
clones vegged in their final pot for two or three weeks (under hps) to build a decent rootmass prior to flipping. it worked but it wasn't profound. did that for about 4 runs.
on the other hand had another room hand watered once a day bigger pots, pebbles in the bottom the same, the same nutrients etc, plants vegged for about 3 weeks under t5s only, then plonked in 6/7 litre pots and flipped immediately- no extra time to build a root mass. and the one a day watering consistently out yielded the dripper fed plants.

theres more than one way to skin a cat I know that, but I do disagree with your last post mate.
I have read your thread before its a nice chem d you have there. 9oz is large I must admit but the others were average. I normally hit around 30oz per 1k (I know I should be hitting 35 tbh). you hit 32.5 oz with the 1200w, plus you were growing vert with 3 waterings to my one.
im not saying im right and your wrong... just saying..

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Yeah I know mate, looking back I let myself down with that grow. I should have hit over the kilo mark instead of 33.5oz inc popcorn bud. I had a 'dead zone' between the 2 bulbs, just where the top colas were located and it was annoying me because I could see (especially on the untopped KT) where they weren't packing on weight plus I started out with a bad Chem D clone AND I topped one of the KT's which I really shouldn't have because the untopped one was a beast.

It sure was a nice Chem D and the point that I was trying to make by bringing it up was that it shows that you can grow in smaller pots with coco and still hit massive yields.

I know now that the 600w is perfect for 6 plants when growing vertical donut, you will make more gains overall when doing it that way and I totally agree with you, there's more than one way to skin a cat, from experience though multi-feeding DTW has boosted my plants into overdrive and I honestly will never go back to feeding every other day.

Peace,
HGO

 

[madalasatori]

IMO unless you have things absolutely perfected, vert is the inferior method of growing. I would be more inclined to think that HGO's lesser yield was due to the fact he didnt get it spot on for a vert set up (see above) than due to feeding/pot size

 

[siftedunity]

I do agree with using up to 6 or 7 litre pot maximum with coco. any larger and your gonna need more veg time and I feel the coco's benefits are most likely gonna be hindered. ive found just having clay balls in the bottom make a massive difference to the density of the root mass.

hgo, I wouldn't be disappointed with the grow, the day you stop wanting to try new ways to improve is the day you should give up mate lol.

 

[siftedunity]

how are they looking atm mate??

 

[azad]

Hi, Sorry for no updates.
Ive been very busy with other projects. I managed to do my back in, lifting a large filter by myself. The Plants in the above room are veggin up nicely, at around 10" tall now. The weathers been warm this still, so just have 3 lights on em.. Will get some pics this week.

 

[doneit]

oohhh the can filters have crippled many of us! lol

Hope you get it on trac.. looking forward to some PICS..

 

[azad]

update wk 3 flower

update wk 3 flower

Sorry for the delayed posting. Ran into a terrible overwatering problem and lost a lot of time on this crop.
Its been a slow recovery, now at week 3 in flower. watering just once a daily, will try up that to twice daily.

 

[siftedunity]

they look good man. those bbg are fat yielders man. mine are at week 6 and the colas are pretty big. looking good though man. im gonna have to reveg one I think.. I did keep a mum but im thinking it might have got switched with the kalishnapple by accident. they look identical in veg.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Looking excellent man, you're in for a nice yield for sure.

Peace,
HGO