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Vote "NO" on Proposition AA...

barnyard

Member
This week the Denver Mayor and City Council threatened me with a year of jail for smoking a J on the front porch of my home. Totally ridiculous.

This is just a few weeks before Coloradans vote on the excessive taxation scheme of Proposition AA. Bad timing folks.

Here's a basic explanation of Proposition AA - using conservative numbers - from an editor on the Western slope:

http://westernslopewatchdog.com/2013/09/editorial-vote-no-on-proposition-aa/

"It was 1974 when I first smoked marijuana, finding relief from pervasive insomnia, severe anxiety, social ackwardness, lack of enthusiasm for food, and various other problems that I later decided had to be genetic in nature.

In 1975, I wrote a science fiction story predicting the legalization of marijuana.

In 2012, Colorado voters brought my prediction to reality. The benefits of legalization include: depriving cartels and terrorists of black-market funding; freeing police resources to fight real crime; lowering the price of pot, making it less appealing to get-rich-quick illegal dealers; establishing an access system that excludes teenagers; and, ending a judicial bias against blacks, hispanics and us poor white hippies.

Amendment 64, which legalized marijuana in Colorado, suggested to the legislature that it might want to consider a small excise tax to fund the agency that would regulate purity, potency, weights and measures, and compliance with the new, admittedly experimental law.

In their infinite lack of wisdom, the Colorado legislature came back to the voters with an atrocity called Proposition AA, wanting to implement a 10 percent wholesale tax and 15 percent retail tax on marijuana sold in retail stores. No retail tax at all was authorized by Amendment 64 – the amount of the excise tax was clearly limited to 15 percent.

Under medical marijuana legalization, prices of pot have dropped from $400 per ounce to the range of $175 to $280. A 25 percent tax could push prices back up as high as $355 per ounce, close to the black market price of $400.

That means that illegal dealers would set the price at $300, undercut the government-taxed retail stores, and keep their illegal businesses going full steam. What’s the point of legalization if the illegal street dealers, who will sell to kids, keep on going full steam?

Because only about 10 to 12 percent of Colorado residents consume marijuana, the legislature thinks the other 88 to 90 percent will be willing to vote in a 25-percent “sin tax” on marijuana to fund schools and heavy-handed marijuana regulations.

This is a bad idea, and it should be voted down. If this proposition loses, then the state sales tax of 2.9 percent will apply to retail marijuana, along with whatever local governments add, and that’s enough. Forty percent will still go to schools, and the rest will go to legal marijuana compliance.

The proposed tax would not apply to medical marijuana, encouraging even more people with questionable medical claims to seek medical marijuana cards, overburdening an already overburdened system.

The whole point of Amendment 64 was to treat marijuana exactly as alcohol is treated in Colorado, and there’s no 25 percent sin tax on alcohol in this state.

Marijuana will provide plenty of money to state and local governments without Proposition AA. There’s no need for an excessive, 25-percent sin tax on marijuana… it’s just more governmental greed."

VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION AA!!!
 

Hydrosun

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Kids can get beer kids can get weed. Just understand that it is a parent and or role model chosen by the kid that will keep them from drinking or smoking. Also who cares if someone wants a medical rec? The whole concept of QUESTIONABLE medical claims is moot because ALL in CO can grow under 64.

I agree with your position, just don't like those few points.

:joint:
 

satva

Member
Veteran
The 1-year in jail for marijuana fumes drifting into a neighbors yard is absurd, drifting towards fascism. There is no way you can smoke in your yard and not have the fumes drift into a neighbors yard.

Considering Colorado voters voted marijuana use legal, Colorado politicians have once again shown that they are not interested in the will of the people. I always encourage people to send an email/letter to their council representative when they disagree with governments interpretation or enforcement of the law.

In the case of marijuana smoke migration, perhaps sending a couple of emails/letters every day is appropriate.

Public opinion polls now show that + 60% of Americans are in favor of all Senate and house representatives being fired, for their inaction on the 2014 fiscal year USA budget. Congress is not doing the job they were elected to perform and in my opinion, and the opinion of +60% of Americans they should be fired and replace by other willing to perform the job they were elected to perform.

i live in a North Denver suburb, but Boulder people are very liberal, but the government of Boulder is socialistic, and very restrictive of individuals rights. While my girlfriend very much wants to buy a house in Boulder, I am extremely reluctant to support Boulder with my money until Boulder politicians prove that they represent the people. The examples of Boulder political suppression are countless, ranging from building codes, to arrests of colleges students and homeless for violations that most cities throughout America would laugh at the violations Boulder consider serious. A $500 / $1500 violation for smoking a cigarette on the Pearl Street Mall. How close to fascism is that? A 1-year fine for smoking a marijuana in your yard when marijuana is legal, how close to fascism is that.

Remember, 60% of Americans what all of the USA Senate and House of Representative fired, and about 9% of American believe their Congressional representatives are doing an acceptable work.

I always believed marijuana would be legalized in my lifetime as, in my experience the negative health impact of marijuana is far less than alcohol. What is amazing to me is the fact that the the government and politicians have decided that marijuana is government business. never in a million years would i have thought that the government would regulate the legalization of marijuana.

The saving grace of Amendment 64 is allowing Colorado citizens to grow 6 plants. Even being independently wealthy, I never plan to pay Colorado state taxes on marijuana. It's just the principal, even when connoisseur black market seeded marijuana was $40 / ounce and sinsemilla was $60 / ounce in the 1970's - I grew my own.

One of the main benefits of Amendment 64 is the dismantling of foreign black market drug cartels. Drug cartels have destroyed their local indigenous cultures. How many hundreds of thousands of people have been killed by foreign drug cartels? Colombia's FARC has killed over 250,000 people, Mexico's cartels have killed hundreds of thousands more, and so on.

While I support the six plants approved in Amendment 64, (grow your own) and I'm oblivious to commercial marijuana culture, I understand its important to keep after-tax legal sale prices lower than black market prices to dismantle foreign black market drug cartels. America has funded $50 billion a year in the war on drugs and its been one of the most unsuccessful political fiascos in American history.

Write your congressional representative and tell them to save the $50 billion each year, and follow Colorado and Washington by legalizing marijuana in the USA.
 

00420

full time daddy
Veteran
Sativa I agree with you 99.9%
While I support the six plants approved in Amendment 64, (grow your own)
6 plants hardly meets anyone's needs except 6 monster outdoors then your smoking the same all year plant #'s shouldn't even be counted the size of the garden in square footage & or power usage should be it is more based to a "grow your own" that way. I flower 36 keep 20 or so moms and have clones/veg about 10 just for my personal use why should that be held against me? I'm under 1200 watts on the power grid and in a 6x10 6foot high area I harvest 4 plants weekly sog style.

A 25% tax is just peer greed or maybe the idea behind it is jack it up thinking people won't go buy it & if they do we come ahead I'm all for both sides being fair but being in Cali alls I can do is hope that there is some sort of reason to all the madness
 

paladin420

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Veteran
Damn guys. Here I thought Michigan politicians were the lowest form of Intestinal parasite, just to find out there is a competition going on.

U gotta love how they use our money to fuck us with.
 

barnyard

Member
"Just understand that it is a parent and or role model chosen by the kid that will keep them from drinking or smoking." Excellent point Hydroson.

Good suggestions satva. In fact, here's a link for a petition from the Marijuana Policy Project that the Denver crowd can use to voice their opinion against Proposition AA:

http://www.change.org/petitions/res...pt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

0042, IMO, cannabis should be fully legal under a free market with regulation used to confirm safety of the various products. I agree with you, WTF difference does it make if someone is growing 6 plants or 100 hundred plants especially when it's for personal use. The weed still smokes the same.

Using our money to fuck with us indeed paladin420. The irony is that some of the tax will be used against some cannabis users and growers. Then we get into this bullshit of "good growers" and "bad growers" based on plant count when in fact people should be able to freely grow as many plants as they want.

Grow it, grow it, grow it, just grow it!
 

satva

Member
Veteran
growing 6 plants or 100 hundred plants
Amendment 64 says 6 plants so if you smoke a lot, then grow 6 big plants. eight Nederland men just got busted for selling 70.6 pounds for $239,000 ~ $3,380 / pound. Its about 8.8 pounds each, but i assume they all got arrested on a charge involving the inter-state sale of over 50 pounds. The arrest was initiated by the point of sale in Florida, with cooperation from Colorado Sate Police.

If your one of the eight arrested, I'm sure its not a pretty situation. This is exactly waht Amemendment 64 is trying to avoid. Black market prices exceeding Colorado sales prices, the Florida ploice offered more than double the price offered by Colorado Medical Marijuana stores.

Apparently double the price was an offer to good to pass up~~~~~~~~~

Didn't Washington State add 75% sales tax, that's basically a double.

The politicians are hoping to pocket the premium between Black Market prices and Colorado Medical Marijuana pricing.

If you grow, your own, and smoke your own, you avoid the madness - its all good.
 

00420

full time daddy
Veteran
0042, IMO, cannabis should be fully legal under a free market with regulation used to confirm safety of the various products. I agree with you, WTF difference does it make if someone is growing 6 plants or 100 hundred plants especially when it's for personal use. The weed still smokes the same.

Grow it, grow it, grow it, just grow it!

There's 2 real problems with going 100% legal people grow way more then personal then there's people who want not to just grow and that would want to jack it from someone who does & crime starts I would be in for larger penaltys for cannabis crime unrelated to growing smoking & personal use & have some sort of limit that is fair for any user it's unreasonable that one man can have 486 pounds but so is the 8 ounces I can have under my med card how about if someone rob's my cannabis they get's a 40 year min anyone can have a pound on them and 5 at home unlimited plants in a 12x12 2500watt max or outdoors 15x20 if some can't grow there own with that area something is wrong.
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
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growing 6 plants or 100 hundred plants
Amendment 64 says 6 plants so if you smoke a lot, then grow 6 big plants. eight Nederland men just got busted for selling 70.6 pounds for $239,000 ~ $3,380 / pound. Its about 8.8 pounds each, but i assume they all got arrested on a charge involving the inter-state sale of over 50 pounds. The arrest was initiated by the point of sale in Florida, with cooperation from Colorado Sate Police.

If your one of the eight arrested, I'm sure its not a pretty situation. This is exactly waht Amemendment 64 is trying to avoid. Black market prices exceeding Colorado sales prices, the Florida ploice offered more than double the price offered by Colorado Medical Marijuana stores.

Apparently double the price was an offer to good to pass up~~~~~~~~~

Didn't Washington State add 75% sales tax, that's basically a double.

The politicians are hoping to pocket the premium between Black Market prices and Colorado Medical Marijuana pricing.

If you grow, your own, and smoke your own, you avoid the madness - its all good.

The FREE market isn't FREE when paid PIGS are actively seeking to buy cannabis from people in other states! That is CRAZY ENTRAPMENT, but those 8 guys are already replaced by 80 more. Keep trying to be dicks FL and FEDS.

As to WA the Dec 1 date is quickly approaching but I haven't heard of any retail businesses opening or licenses being granted.

:joint:
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
Veteran
There's 2 real problems with going 100% legal people grow way more then personal then there's people who want not to just grow and that would want to jack it from someone who does & crime starts I would be in for larger penaltys for cannabis crime unrelated to growing smoking & personal use & have some sort of limit that is fair for any user it's unreasonable that one man can have 486 pounds but so is the 8 ounces I can have under my med card how about if someone rob's my cannabis they get's a 40 year min anyone can have a pound on them and 5 at home unlimited plants in a 12x12 2500watt max or outdoors 15x20 if some can't grow there own with that area something is wrong.

I fucking hate the concept of HATE CRIME but that is exactly what cannabis growers face. They are preyed upon because criminals know that growers are in a lower social class and unlikely to call the PIGS.

I'm not big on prison sentences but home invasion is a very serious crime and should hold very serious penalties. If you are growing in your own home you have the highest expectation of privacy and sovereignty. Anyone who violates your rights on your property should receive very harsh punishment.

:joint:
 

satva

Member
Veteran
opinion against Proposition AA:

http://www.change.org/petitions/resp...share_petition



Thank you for the link. One of the biggest corruptions in American government is adding caveats that change what voters approved in Amendment 64 in a Proposition billed as a taxation proposition.

I have a big problem with caveats that attempt to change what has alreday been approved by voters. Taxations is a completely separate issue from the issue of increasing marijuana recreatinoal use from legal to one year in prison if marijuan smoke drifts into your neighbors yard.

Proposition AA is a fascist view of Colorado politics. Attempts to overlay fascism on a popular vote should be used to destroy those that drafted Proposition AA.

Since I grow my own, I have mixed feeling on how much marijuana sales should be taxed, fascist attempts to change the intent of a popular vote should be noted as sleazy politics, unacceptable political posturing and those that proposed Propostion AA should be voted out of office, as soon as possible.

If you don't stop corrupt politicians, then they start to breed a corrupt government. Governor Hinkenlooper has been straight forward with Amemendment 64 since day one. amendment 64 makes Governors Hickenlooper's job more difficult, but he's alsways said, get out the cheez-its and enfoce the will of the people.

Those that approved Amendment 64 as it was drafted far outnumber those that oppose legalization. Even when marijuana was decriminalized possession of 2 ounces was a $100 fine, now Proposition AA proposes a one year jail sentence if smoke drifts from your yard into your neighbor yard.

All the politicians that drafted Proposition AA should be fired! What sleazy politics to add an ryder that materially changes the law.

Adding a ryder or a caveat is done in every Congressional bill that is passed, if nothing else that justifies firing all of the house of Representatives and all of the Congressmen and women.

We have created a very corrupt government in state and federal governments.

Fire them all! Or if nothing else, works - vote them out of office.
 

00420

full time daddy
Veteran
Since I grow my own, I have mixed feeling on how much marijuana sales should be taxed, fascist attempts to change the intent of a popular vote should be noted as sleazy politics, unacceptable political posturing and those that proposed Propostion AA should be voted out of office, as soon as possible.
it should be taxed no more or no less then any other tax in the state in Cali we pay 7-8% for most items
 

satva

Member
Veteran
If you review the number of people required in the Colorado marijuana agency that Colorado proposes, its absurd how many politicians are required to watch the marijuana plants grow.

Are there health and safety issues involved in commercial growing that need to be addressed? It should be similar to food, people pay a premium for organic, as organic growers should focus on delivering healthy product.
 

00420

full time daddy
Veteran
I fucking hate the concept of HATE CRIME but that is exactly what cannabis growers face. They are preyed upon because criminals know that growers are in a lower social class and unlikely to call the PIGS.

I'm not big on prison sentences but home invasion is a very serious crime and should hold very serious penalties. If you are growing in your own home you have the highest expectation of privacy and sovereignty. Anyone who violates your rights on your property should receive very harsh punishment.

:joint:

It's a petty crime here like 3-5 max I see the "thugs" getting popped left n right just to be released on 60-80% (12-18months) for robbing houses right now there running box trucks into hoods & loading them up nightly with what ever the tweakers on bikes can grab last week they pulled it into a drive way why a guy was at work, mid day time cut his whole 215 crop in less then a few hours people thought dude was moving
 

barnyard

Member
Everyone is right on.

Safety first for sure. Let's get our priorities right.

Most countries know better than to practice entrapment. There's nothing happening with 50#'s that's not happening with a zip. People are still coming home from work smoking a bone and making a nice salad and home-made pizza. Then maybe later they'll watch a movie or walk down to the local tavern for an ale. No problem here. The crime in Nederland is LE ruining these guy's lives.

Thugs are a social disease and are not MJ's fault. The unsafe banking situation - caused by the government - isn't helping.

We need to free the people and lock up the weed!!!
 

Eighths-n-Aces

Active member
Veteran
they have been telling us for 50 years that pot makes you stupid and now they want to fund the public schools with pot

does anyone else find the fucking irony in this story strange in some ways ?
 

satva

Member
Veteran
now they want to fund the public schools with pot

Funding school capital construction was part of Amendment 64, and part of why Amendment 64 passed. On my county ballot, Amendment 64 promised $40 million to fund school construction and the very next amendment ask voters to approve $40 million in school construction.

Amendment 64 may not (would not) have passed if the $40 million was earmarked for pay raises for politicians. Earmarking money for schools and open space preservation are sacred cows in Colorado, especially in urban areas.

The end of the world is near - Denver is mimicking Boulder with a $1,000 fine for second hand smoke. Boulder has outlawed public cigarette smoke in many outdoor areas with very stiff fines for second hand smoke violations.
 

Jhhnn

Active member
Veteran
This week the Denver Mayor and City Council threatened me with a year of jail for smoking a J on the front porch of my home. Totally ridiculous.

To be fair, the Mayor's proposal was DOA on arrival at the City Council. He can, by law, propose damned near anything. They threw it back in his face. They didn't threaten you with anything. Yes, he's an idiot.

I agree with you about AA. We just need to see how it works out with the current tax structure, go from there.
 

HUGE

Active member
Veteran
Lol marijuana fumes. Fuuuumes.. lol


The 1-year in jail for marijuana fumes drifting into a neighbors yard is absurd, drifting towards fascism. There is no way you can smoke in your yard and not have the fumes drift into a neighbors yard.

Considering Colorado voters voted marijuana use legal, Colorado politicians have once again shown that they are not interested in the will of the people. I always encourage people to send an email/letter to their council representative when they disagree with governments interpretation or enforcement of the law.

In the case of marijuana smoke migration, perhaps sending a couple of emails/letters every day is appropriate.

Public opinion polls now show that + 60% of Americans are in favor of all Senate and house representatives being fired, for their inaction on the 2014 fiscal year USA budget. Congress is not doing the job they were elected to perform and in my opinion, and the opinion of +60% of Americans they should be fired and replace by other willing to perform the job they were elected to perform.

i live in a North Denver suburb, but Boulder people are very liberal, but the government of Boulder is socialistic, and very restrictive of individuals rights. While my girlfriend very much wants to buy a house in Boulder, I am extremely reluctant to support Boulder with my money until Boulder politicians prove that they represent the people. The examples of Boulder political suppression are countless, ranging from building codes, to arrests of colleges students and homeless for violations that most cities throughout America would laugh at the violations Boulder consider serious. A $500 / $1500 violation for smoking a cigarette on the Pearl Street Mall. How close to fascism is that? A 1-year fine for smoking a marijuana in your yard when marijuana is legal, how close to fascism is that.

Remember, 60% of Americans what all of the USA Senate and House of Representative fired, and about 9% of American believe their Congressional representatives are doing an acceptable work.

I always believed marijuana would be legalized in my lifetime as, in my experience the negative health impact of marijuana is far less than alcohol. What is amazing to me is the fact that the the government and politicians have decided that marijuana is government business. never in a million years would i have thought that the government would regulate the legalization of marijuana.

The saving grace of Amendment 64 is allowing Colorado citizens to grow 6 plants. Even being independently wealthy, I never plan to pay Colorado state taxes on marijuana. It's just the principal, even when connoisseur black market seeded marijuana was $40 / ounce and sinsemilla was $60 / ounce in the 1970's - I grew my own.

One of the main benefits of Amendment 64 is the dismantling of foreign black market drug cartels. Drug cartels have destroyed their local indigenous cultures. How many hundreds of thousands of people have been killed by foreign drug cartels? Colombia's FARC has killed over 250,000 people, Mexico's cartels have killed hundreds of thousands more, and so on.

While I support the six plants approved in Amendment 64, (grow your own) and I'm oblivious to commercial marijuana culture, I understand its important to keep after-tax legal sale prices lower than black market prices to dismantle foreign black market drug cartels. America has funded $50 billion a year in the war on drugs and its been one of the most unsuccessful political fiascos in American history.

Write your congressional representative and tell them to save the $50 billion each year, and follow Colorado and Washington by legalizing marijuana in the USA.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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I fucking hate the concept of HATE CRIME but that is exactly what cannabis growers face. They are preyed upon because criminals know that growers are in a lower social class and unlikely to call the PIGS.

I'm not big on prison sentences but home invasion is a very serious crime and should hold very serious penalties. If you are growing in your own home you have the highest expectation of privacy and sovereignty. Anyone who violates your rights on your property should receive very harsh punishment.

:joint:

they violate second amendment rights as well. The feds automatically convict a person of a violent crime just for having a gun at their grow and adds a very long minimum sentence. It can add 20 years, just for an unloaded and locked up gun of any kind.

So not only can we not call the police, we are expected to just roll over and die with no protection.
 

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