What are the best Coco nutriens..?

[sureshot66]

Yeah no kidding. All obey the hypno toad

whats a hypno toad?

 

[canna woop!]

 

[sureshot66]

umm..yea...i assumed it was some "youre all sheep" victims of consumerism based insult, now i see its just a lame hippy frog

 

[neural_rust]

I've used Canna, GH and the older Hesi cocobloom..
They all work great, but the easiest was the Hesi bloom.

It worked fine from start to finnish, without any ill side effects.
I think that they changed the line recently, so you got your TNT for veg and Bloom for bloom(!)..

I just run out of the old hesi bloom bottle and ordered the new bloom bottle, and will try it from seed to harvest.

Head Formula works also always with little bit of cal-mag..

 

[papaduc]

The easiest and best base mix to use in my experience is Hesi 1 part 3-4-5 coco bloom feed. I wouldn't go back to any two or three part nute again. I started with hesi, then tried canna, plant magic, GH, Ionic... Now I'm back on Hesi.

Only difference difference is the pissing about with two or three bottles instead of just pour and feed with a 1-part.

There's hardly anything separating the different brands of feed in terms of the minerals used in them. Gimmicks like `phosphite` instead of `phosphate` etc mean jack shit in terms of actual results and the when you look into the science behind the claims you'll find the makers usually take some study and rip something right out of context to make a totally false and misleading claim.

Hesi coco bloom which is 3-4-5 is an easy base mix which you can tweak to be less or more N rich with a bit of bloom booster or grow feed.

There are brands of tomato food which I've used recently, like bowers 4-4-8, which have been as good as any canna feed, for just £1 in the local discount store.

The numbers on the side tell you a lot more. Don't look at the brand, look at the ratios.

 

[Trend]

heavy 16,aptus,sea green,caps tea is giving me pretty sick results...avoiding lockout n such is really more about your technique,checking run off and making adjustments, doing low nute flushes,avoid overfeeding and keep notes on what works well,personally i wouldnt grow without top shelf nutes, cannas what i would use if not using heavy,keep it simple

I'd hardly call jacks regiment simple bro lol. Aptus alone is a headache so if brewing teas. Heavy gave me my best yields millenium was best quality and canna is a middle ground from the two.

 

[sureshot66]

I'd hardly call jacks regiment simple bro lol. Aptus alone is a headache so if brewing teas. Heavy gave me my best yields millenium was best quality and canna is a middle ground from the two.

sup trend i disagree, aptus is just a few measured syringes couple times a week, tea takes 5 minutes to setup and not even 5 to break down, its not my 1st rodeo by any means but i find it to be pretty simple,just takes commitment

day 35

 

[Lesterburnum]

Yeah I do the of bio war tea. Same as like caps. Wouldn't go back to not using it. I've never head of millennium though. Gonna have to check them out. I'm all about quality so thank for mentioning that Trend!

 

[TheSeeker]

Thanks for all the replys, Im using General Hydroponics brand of nutrients the three part system i have had good results for years with drip feed but now im hand watering there is a salt build up problem i have resolved it but i think i will try another brand and go organic nutrients anyway thanks heaps fellow growers if anyone has a good organic nutrient let me no cheers...

 

[TheSeeker]

heavy 16,aptus,sea green,caps tea is giving me pretty sick results...avoiding lockout n such is really more about your technique,checking run off and making adjustments, doing low nute flushes,avoid overfeeding and keep notes on what works well,personally i wouldnt grow without top shelf nutes, cannas what i would use if not using heavy,keep it simple

Thanks Mate u came back with the best answer don't worry about anyone else u no what ur on about i just read ur message and any advise on tea is appreciated cheers...

 

[TheSeeker]

I think it was more to do with me not making sure i water enough and get enough run off anyhow back to it...

 

[dansbuds]

hanks for all the replys, Im using General Hydroponics brand of nutrients the three part system i have had good results for years with drip feed but now im hand watering there is a salt build up problem i have resolved it but i think i will try another brand and go organic nutrients anyway thanks heaps fellow growers if anyone has a good organic nutrient let me no cheers...

Unclefishstick is having great results with the General Organics line in a sunshine #4 soil which is 40% coco . give him a look . he'll help ya out if ya have any questions .
Grab a GO box for 40$ at your hydro store & give it a try .

 

[TheSeeker]

Unclefishstick is having great results with the General Organics line in a sunshine #4 soil which is 40% coco . give him a look . he'll help ya out if ya have any questions .
Grab a GO box for 40$ at your hydro store & give it a try .

Lol i didn't ever see that typo until u posted a reply woops, thanks again for the advise ill give him a look. What is a Go box by the way?

 

[sureshot66]

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Lol i didn't ever see that typo until u posted a reply woops, thanks again for the advise ill give him a look. What is a Go box by the way?

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[watts]

I have very low mineral content tap water and with Maxibloom was getting a magnesium deficiency. I've access to fine grained weathered dolomite, and once I started mixing a small amount in with the coir the plants do just fine.

That's good but i thought maxibloom had plenty of magnesium. Was your pH a little high throughout the grow or perhaps you weren't using enough maxibloom?

 

[TheSeeker]

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Lol Cheers mate ill have to give the go box a try im having good results from General Hydro range but i want to go organic.
I was just wondering where u get the products u use in ur tea? in Australia i don't think we don't have a big range available, unless im not looking in the right spots?

 

[sureshot66]

ill send you a pm on it as ithink they frown on that here

 

[gaiusmarius]

The easiest and best base mix to use in my experience is Hesi 1 part 3-4-5 coco bloom feed. I wouldn't go back to any two or three part nute again. I started with hesi, then tried canna, plant magic, GH, Ionic... Now I'm back on Hesi.

Only difference difference is the pissing about with two or three bottles instead of just pour and feed with a 1-part.

There's hardly anything separating the different brands of feed in terms of the minerals used in them. Gimmicks like `phosphite` instead of `phosphate` etc mean jack shit in terms of actual results and the when you look into the science behind the claims you'll find the makers usually take some study and rip something right out of context to make a totally false and misleading claim.

Hesi coco bloom which is 3-4-5 is an easy base mix which you can tweak to be less or more N rich with a bit of bloom booster or grow feed.

There are brands of tomato food which I've used recently, like bowers 4-4-8, which have been as good as any canna feed, for just £1 in the local discount store.

The numbers on the side tell you a lot more. Don't look at the brand, look at the ratios.

the numbers on the side tell you something, but not everything. there are varying levels of quality ingredients used in fertilizers. canna coco nutes have all ingredients in a water soluble form, your cheapo nutes from the supermarket are most likely 100% mineral based with the cheapest possible npk sources. fine for display plants, but not what i'd want to use for my smoke.

i do agree with most posters ere though that most any coco specific nute line will do the trick in terms of healthy growth and good yield if used correctly.

 

[papaduc]

the numbers on the side tell you something, but not everything. there are varying levels of quality ingredients used in fertilizers. canna coco nutes have all ingredients in a water soluble form, your cheapo nutes from the supermarket are most likely 100% mineral based with the cheapest possible npk sources. fine for display plants, but not what i'd want to use for my smoke.

It's very unlikely that plant food which is deemed fit for use on food crops in the United Kingdom will undergo a lesser quality control procedure than that designed for cannabis cultivation. I'd say as a totally uneducated guess it would be more likely the other way around.

Tomato feed will be every bit as good as canna and, in my experience, is.

most any coco specific nute line will do the trick in terms of healthy growth and good yield if used correctly.

I think there's a big difference between the NPK balance of some nute lines out there and as such the results will vary a lot from certain ones to others. There are bloom feeds which are made up as 4-2-4 with the PK booster sold as `optional`.

I've used them and can say first hand that without tweaking, there's too much nitrogen in the mix and you can see that in the leaf/bud ratio and general darkness of the green in the flowering stage. Other feeds follow a more orthodox 3-4-5.. 2-4-4 etc and balance the bloom feed to be much lower in nitrogen - in line with a lot of other fruit crops.

In my opinion the numbers matter most. Obviously quality control is important, but nobody should be feeding any food or smoke crop with something which is only designated for use on ornamental plants in the first place.

Residual elements and flushing methods and all sorts of other variables go into the purity of the final product, and regardless of quality control, there are, just as with the NPK ratios, huge swings in regards to what "professionals` deem to be the best method to harvest.

According to a well known and knowledgeable grower called Oldtimer, residual phosphorus makes the finished product much harsher and more importantly, many times more carcinogenic. He suggests redusinc P towards the end of the grow and feeding a low P food to help metabolise the residual P left in the plant.

Now some people suggest feeding a high P food right til the end then running a plain water flush to wash out the medium. The thinking behind both these methods contrasts one another. one suggests that the plant will lock in certain residual nutes if starved suddenly, the other side thinks otherwise.

So, what do you say to the two brands of flush product with regards to your personal health if the theory behind both is completely polarised?

One company uses a blend of micro nutrients and a small amount of base nutes, in line with the former method. Another company offers a final finish product which is 0-5-4.... Very high in phosphorus; a P booster in fact. Quality control procedures matter not a bit if it is true that you should be reducing the P towards the end.

There's so much ambiguity in the cannabis food market with regards to the basic needs of the plant or what is trying to be achieved in the finishing stages because actual field study is limited to almost nil and the science is pseudo science and gimmickry.

Nowhere else in the field of botany is there anywhere near so many snake oil products and boosters, additives, and general gimmicks which are not regulated for human consumption because officially they are not meant to be consumed.

I wouldn't by default put more faith in the cannabis food market than I would in the tomato one. There is absolutely no logical reason to do so.

 

[azad]

Bit of this a bit of that.
Organic bloom nutes work good in coco too, along side the reg chem nute regime.ive found.