Terpenation at Terpene Station

[FatherEarth]

All Talk No Pudding/ California Bears, No Raisins

All Talk No Pudding/ California Bears, No Raisins

Tis the season. Mobile Oil Solutions recovery team. All work, no play.

Dont waste your money on robinair vacuum pumps. The CPS vac pump is the deal. Cheaper, super quiet, and works just as good seems like maybe a bit better. Im diggin it. The robinair is fitted with a muffler and hose to direct fumes and oil away from the work area.. just in case anyone is wondering wtf is that... Two of the terps are running off a tee'd vacuum line. Each with its own G5. Been working steady for a week now and no end in sight...Sorry for the absence, I will have some solid data to share when I return. Until then Ill share some things to ponder. Yellow oil no frozen tubes and using heat. Shatter using high heat ie 198F+.. Im thinking that all this low temp shatter making is myth to be honest. Finding that I can make LIGHT colored shatter even up to 200F. Forget all that freezing tubes and dry ice, pffft. Myth Busters of Errl coming up. Ill get some more pics up, with a full tour and details . More pudding, less talk.


Truly Errlin it,

FE

 

[nakadashi]

I went with 1/4" male npt and then added yellow jacket 19129. sure you'll have to replace the gasket once in awhile, but i'm just not sure if that metal to metal connection is designed for being taken on and off on a daily basis. of course i need to look into this still

Very good point, I did not think of that when I got the SS fittings... I learned when putting together a Lil terp that SS has a nasty habit of galling [thanks GW!] so I think these fittings are a solid choice.

 

[mr. durden]

LOL at FE

you are decarbing your oil.... i'm sure it is soft and sappy, and really, i feel bad for whomever you are making oil for as they are getting a less than stellar product. not only that, you are pulling a ton of paraffin wax, so your yields might be good, but your product won't be. i'd love to see the testing on that stuff as it probably is like 50%. seriously, a quarter of your yield is paraffin wax.

i thought you were kind of a bonehead, but after that last post, i now know you are a complete idiot. all of a sudden you have discovered some secret that all us closed loopers have been missing? hell, open blasters figured out the benefits of dry ice.

my partner saw your setup and laughed. Norcal Oil man caught himself on fire due to one of those box fans. he thinks you have no idea how to make oil. you've got the tools, just not the know how.

post your observations on GGS and watch EVERYONE laugh at you... assuming they'd let you on there.

So why would you run any heat on fresh outdoor trim? that makes no sense. you are taking potentially good material and turning it into 5/g shit.

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[nakadashi]

Tis the season. Mobile Oil Solutions recovery team. All work, no play.

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Dont waste your money on robinair vacuum pumps. The CPS vac pump is the deal. Cheaper, super quiet, and works just as good seems like maybe a bit better. Im diggin it. The robinair is fitted with a muffler and hose to direct fumes and oil away from the work area.. just in case anyone is wondering wtf is that... Two of the terps are running off a tee'd vacuum line. Each with its own G5. Been working steady for a week now and no end in sight...Sorry for the absence, I will have some solid data to share when I return. Until then Ill share some things to ponder. Yellow oil no frozen tubes and using heat. Shatter using high heat ie 198F+.. Im thinking that all this low temp shatter making is myth to be honest. Finding that I can make LIGHT colored shatter even up to 200F. Forget all that freezing tubes and dry ice, pffft. Myth Busters of Errl coming up. Ill get some more pics up, with a full tour and details . More pudding, less talk.


Truly Errlin it,

FE

WOW. Your work area has a lot more going on than it did at the beginning of this thread!! Can't wait for you to drop those knowledge bombs

 

[mr. durden]

running cold is to remove paraffin waxes. sure it might help lighten a product, but as you are seeing, if you have light starting material, heat won't make much of a difference. so FE thinks cause he is getting light material, using high heat is okay. if he were using much lower heat, i could understand from a production standpoint, but he is basically ruining some potentially great material.

i think people misunderstood GW on the whole 85 degree thing, myself included. if you are working with material that went too long before harvesting or is old material(stored a long time), it'll be darker. you can't polish a trichome.

so we are clear... dry ice will not miraculously make dark material light. but just because something might be dark doesn't mean it is bad either.

i mean i run heat when running last years trim, but i have a lot of it and i'm willing to part it out at 10/g to the shops. it still has a nice smoke, flavor profile, etc.

 

[nakadashi]

Hey Mr Durden, how much dry ice are you using to chill one tank? I got 25 lb yesterday and today its not enough to keep the tank cool anymore...I bought a cooler for it and packed it pretty well. Unfortunately I think this cooler kind of sucks because the ground underneath it is really cold. Ugh, or maybe because I'm not using the MT69 it warmed up the dry ice too quickly... Hopefully its on its way in the mail

Also, I am noticing the storage tank temperature rise as it gets refilled with butane, thinking maybe an MT69 in dry ice going away from the tank too might be nice Too much?

 

[FatherEarth]

LOL, no pudding? I dont have access to instagram nor the time to sign up etc. Bring it here if you are going talk about it. Post it, I dont want to have to be a fan to see your work. .

 

[FatherEarth]

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Big Durd,

Tisk tisk, your name calling disappoints me. Was hoping you would show me whats up.. . I see you consider yourself a fighter, well lets have a terp off bro. You are more than welcome to come to the farm and bring yer setup. Plenty of AA+ material to have a showdown. LOL ... Bring it. Only a few hours from Sac...

The thing about the temps I mentioned is that all this 115 and sub zero talking like thats the only way to getting shatter. Its not like that. Polishing the extract after a low temp or even a normal temp run with heat up to 200F you can STILL get shatter. Not saying saturated butane doesnt pull more shit you dont want but you can still get the desired form everyone is after, either way. Clear breakable and light in color. Im going to get some of the end results tested just to show what Im talking about. Im making a photo run of all the stuff processed and will post some test results. Dont talk about it, be about it. Trying to raise the bar and end all this urban legend bs about making a product that makes itself if you let it. A shatter proof method. LOL you guys crack me up, thanks for sharing. Turns out my wife and her friends do the instagram thing... Finally got to see what you are working with. Thanks for that. I realize now you just pack tubes and pull levers for your boss. Either way no worries, you can sitll come for a terp off if you want.. Your boss too if it doesnt sketch you out too much. Really there is too much material to process and we get bored out here, so why not? Im not scared to be schooled if you can bring it. I want the best end result, if you got it like that then by all means... School me.

LMFAO,

FE

 

[FatherEarth]

10 A g for your low grade? Ouch! It must cost a bunch pouring out all that butane!

 

[nakadashi]

GW you must be so proud. Such lively debate over the best way to use your amazing device...

 

[mr. durden]

Hey Mr Durden, how much dry ice are you using to chill one tank? I got 25 lb yesterday and today its not enough to keep the tank cool anymore...I bought a cooler for it and packed it pretty well. Unfortunately I think this cooler kind of sucks because the ground underneath it is really cold. Ugh, or maybe because I'm not using the MT69 it warmed up the dry ice too quickly... Hopefully its on its way in the mail

Also, I am noticing the storage tank temperature rise as it gets refilled with butane, thinking maybe an MT69 in dry ice going away from the tank too might be nice Too much?

it depends on how long i'm going to be working. usually about 18-22lbs a day. i use a 10 gallon igloo water jug to hold my tank. first i fill it with blocks of ice to bring it up to a level where the hose ports are accessible and then fill the sides and top with dry ice. then cover it all with about 3 towels. ever couple hours i'll refill with dry ice.

plus i use dry ice that is wrapped in towels to further chill my tubes before i wrap them in pipe insulation. i don't ever seem to use all of the dry ice up, but i get a new batch every day. i also have an account with airgas, so they basically give me 20lbs for the price of 10lbs.

i think you are probably making the dry ice work harder by not cooling the incoming butane via the mt69, but not much you can do till you get it in. i would not use the mt in dry ice as it is aluminum and copper. seemed too fragile to handle that kind of extreme temp. cold ice water will do ya just fine.

the spot where you are sitting your cooler will always be super cold due to the dry ice. get a good sized cooler and then get the thick rigid insulation for the sides and top. all those coolers you see at safeway that hold dry ice don't have compressors... just really thick insulation.

 

[mr. durden]

LOL, no pudding? I dont have access to instagram nor the time to sign up etc. Bring it here if you are going talk about it. Post it, I dont want to have to be a fan to see your work. .

you don't need to be, mine isn't set to private. you post pics here and it is clear you don't know what you are talking about

 

[mr. durden]

Big Durd,

Tisk tisk, your name calling disappoints me. Was hoping you would show me whats up.. . I see you consider yourself a fighter, well lets have a terp off bro. You are more than welcome to come to the farm and bring yer setup. Plenty of AA+ material to have a showdown. LOL ... Bring it. Only a few hours from Sac...

The thing about the temps I mentioned is that all this 115 and sub zero talking like thats the only way to getting shatter. Its not like that. Polishing the extract after a low temp or even a normal temp run with heat up to 200F you can STILL get shatter. Not saying saturated butane doesnt pull more shit you dont want but you can still get the desired form everyone is after, either way. Clear breakable and light in color. Im going to get some of the end results tested just to show what Im talking about. Im making a photo run of all the stuff processed and will post some test results. Dont talk about it, be about it. Trying to raise the bar and end all this urban legend bs about making a product that makes itself if you let it. A shatter proof method. LOL you guys crack me up, thanks for sharing. Turns out my wife and her friends do the instagram thing... Finally got to see what you are working with. Thanks for that. I realize now you just pack tubes and pull levers for your boss. Either way no worries, you can sitll come for a terp off if you want.. Your boss too if it doesnt sketch you out too much. Really there is too much material to process and we get bored out here, so why not? Im not scared to be schooled if you can bring it. I want the best end result, if you got it like that then by all means... School me.

LMFAO,

FE

Idiot seemed an appropriate descriptor. you feeling all powerful like you were going to show us... god, we laughed so hard reading your post. I'll admit my partner is a way better finisher than i, but mostly because he has being doing it so long.

why would i want to have a battle with you? i've repeatedly told you i don't respect your oil making ability... and today you clinched the title of not knowing what you are doing.

the only reason i'd go up your way is to get our edwards vac pump as the guy didn't make it down to the secret cup.

yes, people can get shatter by many different ways, but it is doubtful at 200 degrees. you are going for volume over quality... that is clear. i would never believe in a million years you can get breakable using that high heat. if you posted a pic of broken stuff, i'd bet it wasn't the stuff you made.

lets be clear... you are not raising the bar. in fact, i am now dumber for having read your post. you strike me as someone with more money than intellect.

nice try, i have a partner smart ass. he has just had instagram longer than i.

see, i'd respect you more if you said you used high heat just to fuck around, but to bullshit everyone into thinking you actually found some better way to make shatter is just b.s. high heat will never be the way unless you want to decarb your product.

i'm not saying my way is the best, as there are many ways to skin a cat, but it is clear you are behind the curve. i just feel bad for those people letting you ruin their material.

remember folks... high heat makes for an inferior product unless you are making an absolute. all you are doing is pulling a large amount of paraffin wax and what not and dissolving it into your oil. your yields will be much better, but you are ultimately with an inferior product. if you have good starting material, you can't go wrong using dry ice. i urge you to try both. heat will make for a quicker process time, but look at the end result. that will speak for itself.

 

[mr. durden]

10 A g for your low grade? Ouch! It must cost a bunch pouring out all that butane!

not at all. for budget we usually use ice and little (85ish degrees) or no bottom heat. depends on how much we want to get through in a day.

in that situation, we might scrape. just all depends.

i don't mind doing runs of more accessible oil for those without a lot of $. $10/g to the shop means they can offer it for 25-30. i'm not a snob and want well purged stuff accessible.

sadly, we probably treat our last years outdoor better than you treat your current season outdoor. that my friend, is a travesty

 

[mr. durden]

Big Durd,

Tisk tisk, your name calling disappoints me. Was hoping you would show me whats up.. . I see you consider yourself a fighter, well lets have a terp off bro. You are more than welcome to come to the farm and bring yer setup. Plenty of AA+ material to have a showdown. LOL ... Bring it. Only a few hours from Sac...

The thing about the temps I mentioned is that all this 115 and sub zero talking like thats the only way to getting shatter. Its not like that. Polishing the extract after a low temp or even a normal temp run with heat up to 200F you can STILL get shatter. Not saying saturated butane doesnt pull more shit you dont want but you can still get the desired form everyone is after, either way. Clear breakable and light in color. Im going to get some of the end results tested just to show what Im talking about. Im making a photo run of all the stuff processed and will post some test results. Dont talk about it, be about it. Trying to raise the bar and end all this urban legend bs about making a product that makes itself if you let it. A shatter proof method. LOL you guys crack me up, thanks for sharing. Turns out my wife and her friends do the instagram thing... Finally got to see what you are working with. Thanks for that. I realize now you just pack tubes and pull levers for your boss. Either way no worries, you can sitll come for a terp off if you want.. Your boss too if it doesnt sketch you out too much. Really there is too much material to process and we get bored out here, so why not? Im not scared to be schooled if you can bring it. I want the best end result, if you got it like that then by all means... School me.

LMFAO,

FE

i refuse to be involved in anything that gives you access to AA+ material as it is clear that the one thing you are good at is ruining good material.

 

[mr. durden]

another thing that isn't talked about much are terpene's. i'll try and post a chart of the boiling points of such things. i don't know about you guys, but having a nice flavor/smell profile makes me smile. at 200 degrees, you lose a large amount of that.

there is no upside to running high heat unless you want to decarb or have your yields artificially boosted by paraffin wax

 

[nakadashi]

another thing that isn't talked about much are terpene's. i'll try and post a chart of the boiling points of such things. i don't know about you guys, but having a nice flavor/smell profile makes me smile. at 200 degrees, you lose a large amount of that.

there is no upside to running high heat unless you want to decarb or have your yields artificially boosted by paraffin wax

When opening up vac chamber after a <110F purge, I don't know whether to smile or frown at all wonderful aromas. So much goodness that could have remained in the slab Guess I just frown actually..

 

[mr. durden]

you'll still get those intense smells with dry ice... well, after we purge outside awhile. i notice it most when bring the pie dish inside to stick in the oven. i guess different things get burned off at different temps. just waiting for a friend to forward me the information.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Durden, here's the boiling points under vacuum for the lowest boiling, good oil component,
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=5869346#post5869346

 

[nakadashi]

Do you know what material the hose is lined with?

The steel braided hose arrived, I'm not sure its suitable. The ends screw on to the 1/4" male flare fittings but the inside doesn't appear to have any lining. In fact when I brought the hose into the sunlight to look into it, I was surprised to see that light is able to illuminate the inside of the tube!