Cob style new lights? are they any good?

[Neekz]

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When dealing with 99% of china know that once they have a international consumers money they will disappear, there is simply nothing you can do even if you can prove every aspect of fraud they commit.

Oh and by the way, if you go through Aliexpress (And I am sure there are other ways out there...), your money is handled like an escrow service, so they don't get nothing until you receive your item within 30 day's of payment to Ali (Whatever it be, 30 cent toothbrushes, or party balloons, for all that matters...), as well as giving you the option to dispute the payment if the item received is un-satisfactory/ not up to PAR laughing: I made a funny...)... Common sense would dictate to study up before making any major purchase, check the manufacturers history/feedback, talk to them directly and see if they are knowledgeable, and make sure you know what you are ordering. Most of these seller's are actually smarter worker's at the factories moving inventory off the back, they can make a profit still selling it for hundred's less than distributor's, thus so they also make good money on having return customer's.

I find it funny so many of us ("Horticulturalist's"...lol) feed into this ish. I mean it's kinda like an analogy of what got most of us into this in this first place. We were sick of buying sub-par product (Nobody beside's the Cree panel mfg's really innovating/impressing...) at stupid prices (See HGL), so we seeked out the knowledge to do it ourselves (DIYer's rejoice!). I mean how many of us would drop 5 bill's for a zip of GSC (Yall dropping $1k on china parts and thinking you better then the rest, lol)? we ain't stupid lol, it only took the same soil and lighting (Diodes, cooling...) as the next elite done right(Growblu, HGL, Diamond...), and clone's aren't locked like Fort Knox anymore (Can't hide spectrum's/current spec's forever, lol...).

 

[positivity]

Lol...Right on the money neekz!

Mean bean..you seriously need some work on your PR skills. As long you guys been around you should be ahead of the game by now.

Thank god DIY has entered the game. Companies like reefledlights, rapidled, steves leds, and ledgroupbuy have all the parts and tutorials you need.

There's still a place for factory products. But now y'all gonna have to step up your game. Be professional, honest, use quality parts, and offer at a fair price. That's all you gotta do buddy..

 

[oneshot]

<dramabotedit>

 

[MeanBean]

Oh and by the way, if you go through Aliexpress (And I am sure there are other ways out there...), your money is handled like an escrow service, so they don't get nothing until you receive your item within 30 day's of payment to Ali

OK Great so you have 30 days.. after that see my previous post.

I find it funny so many of us ("Horticulturalist's"...lol) feed into this ish. I mean it's kinda like an analogy of what got most of us into this in this first place.

MEE TOOO, The amount of stuff seem to believe over hearsay is hilarious! half the bs come from cheap knock of companies, and the other half come from the stoners whom buy these junk products and want to defend it so there do not have to accept they've been had..

As far as that pic of X1, prime example of "looks ok to me" you cannot see the Bin or Brand or Spectrum of LED diodes by just looking at the back of the heatsink' like in your picture, so no I guess I cannot see the difference either.. Also No we did not invent the "heatsink" We developed our own, then others are soon to copy, just like alot of the tech we started' "remember this is China; Try to make cheaper version sell it to the unexpecting/unknowing"

(Can't hide spectrum's/current spec's forever, lol...).

Everthing we do is right on our website, some people choose to buy products without knowing what there getting so they pretend its better... Quite humorous! "black dog"

oneshot, I can already see you foaming at the mouth looking for a flame war. Unfortunately for your type I won't be responding to every comment out there.. If you want to make ridiculous claims I will laugh at them just like the next guy reading your posts does.

If someone wants to make a light great, go for it. Not many have the time'

If they want a quality light that outperforms everything else out there per watt, well then they can get a Hydro Grow Light.

If they want a light that just looks like a hydro grow to the un-trained eye and that's it, then hey whatever floats your boat.

Some people know quality some do not' Some people know what to look for in a quality light, some do not. I guess Quality means snake oil to 1shot maybe even VooDoo???????

Oneshot is making a video for black dog, just starting flowering now. Lets see if it's a gram per watt' like people expect. When it comes to flower that's when the lights true ability shows'

Really hard to say/see the quality though from a video, anything can grow a plant, is the quality there? O I guess we will have to take your word for it just like the manufacture of the light. any high res pics?

Hey I guess for free though you can't beat that'

Let me guess If I give you a light you will sell out for me too?? Because if you think your having good results now you would be blown away by a Hydro Grow light.

 

[positivity]

Seen all the published hgl grows...never was impressed enough to get one

Call it flaming...call it honest assessment...call it whatever you want

Just don't call it record breaking ...lol

Surely you have some grow reports to back up record breaking? Post up some good stuff and ill be sure to adjust my opinion. Until then its really all talk and no walk

Don't get all mad now. Just giving you a realistic opinion of how your coming off to more than a few. You should be appreciative to get honest feedback

Or would you just prefer to have no feedback and be able to market away? This a forum...not an ad.

 

[Neekz]

Yes Meanbean, we would really appreciate some actual factual data (pics, datasheets etc...) on your "bins" etc lol. Least the "china" guys are busting out the par meter and publishing it. Have yet to see an hgl 3x3 measurement compete with the intensity and spread of Lumi, Clw , or Area51 (Quit comparing yourself to china and start competing with the big boys...) . I seriously doubt you and Tranny's (I mean Cammie, my bad, I am dyslexic...) sob story of the chinese stealing your designs and counterfeiting. Oh blessed be the gods at HGL, inventor of the LED grow light ( Pure sarcasm, bwhahahahaha...). Btw we are not flaming, just pointing out ridiculous claims and jabs you make at the industry that is supporting y'all (Did I mention y'all some hypocritical ass mofo's?). Its like the government, you really expect us to believe your doing this in our best interests with the $3-400 mark-up (pure profit...)on each of your unit's?

 

[Neekz]

Oh and how is your switching over to the backwards inefficient COB chip's not cheaping out? Sounds like pure penny pinching cheapness, very few advantages. Pros: cheaper since all emitters are packaged on the same die, less labor for assembly, less wiring/hardware/lens's. Cons: diode spacing, junction temps, circuitry (1 little emitter dies, whole cobs dust...), thermal management, light spread, intensity, current per diode... It is a design geared towards saving manufacturing costs, not performance. Every time I hear a HGL rep, they are always saying/mentioning they are gonna phase out the x units and focus on Sols (Bigger profit margins...). It seems HGL's business model is that of the type of ish going on a lot lately, rape the consumer blind with outrageous profit margins, then take the money and run when the "bubble" bursts. I have a feeling the led grow light economic bubble will blow very soon as more people see that it's not a certain brand that performs best but the tech behind it. You cant keep the knowledge from the people forever (You guys are obviously worried about people becoming informed on how led works...), and you can bet they (HGL) are gonna be more vocal and make more wilder claims as the successful grows under other brands start popping up more...

 

[walmatt23]

Amen

 

[Neekz]

I better watch out before "Hydro-Tranny" grows a vendetta and put's a hit out on me lol (I hear "she" hates people calling her on ish like this, and loves bacon ...)... Your rep's should probably use their marketing time sticking to good ol 420 or RIU, not too many n00bs here, and guy's like us won't let em get talked into something overpriced they don't need.

I re-call about 4 different stories on various other forum's where they posted e-mail logs of talk's between HGL rep's. Basically every case they recommended them a unit quoted for twice their coverage area needed, and then went on trying to up-sell them another additional unit saying they would get better "coverage". No they didn't recommend 2 smaller units as you would think, they were persistent in trying to double their wattage to make up for "the corners" (I am guessing no faith in the PAR output of an individual unit, thus recommending double the W/SqFt...). A lot of aggressiveness towards sales is the consensus I am getting from people in contact with HGL rep's, with very hush talk when anything about spec's are mentioned.

IME and from what I have read about nearly every other reputable manufacturer (Lumi, CLW, Growblu, Area51, heck even CIDLY and Bysen...) has been more transparent on technical specifications, material's, and design without the smoke and mirrors HGL put up for so long. Most of them realize it is something they cannot hide forever, and something they should not, as the customer has begun to realize that that is the only way they can effectively gauge a product's performance without using it (In science, data does not lie , and there is a science to everything...)

All the above company's have product's equal if not better than HGL, so is it not fair that they should set the Industry price's (Being that, Watt for watt, nearly all of them have cheaper offering's than HGL...)?

The most transparent guy's (Lumi, Area51,CLW...) are telling you pretty much EXACTLY what part's they are using, and when you do the rough math, their product's are a steal for the high price's with output/coverage to match (Anybody pricing a decent size Cree build-up know how much thing's add up...).

Even the semi transparent guy's (Growblu,Cidly,Bysen...) are telling you the tech spec's you need to know (And I am sure if the Chinese Mfg. making the diode's YOU ALL are using knew the exact spec's themselves,then I am sure the other guy's would dish out the info...) . Most of them don't lie about using so called "inferior BIN's" (I do not think that Taiwanese Mfg that makes all these diode's even rates them in the real industry meaning of the term BIN. Most go by chip size in mil/max current...).

The thing I like about these guy's is they don't charge you a disgusting profit (Even Growblu's margin is respectable...) then try and invent excuses to justify it, plain and simple.

 

[Neekz]

As far as that pic of X1, prime example of "looks ok to me" you cannot see the Bin or Brand or Spectrum of LED diodes by just looking at the back of the heatsink' like in your picture, so no I guess I cannot see the difference either.. Also No we did not invent the "heatsink" We developed our own, then others are soon to copy, just like alot of the tech we started' "remember this is China; Try to make cheaper version sell it to the unexpecting/unknowing"

Obviously you didn't get the point. You guy's did not "develop" that copper core sink, it was developed for the CPU industry before anybody even thought of growing with L.E.D.'s, that cost's a few dollar's a piece, adapted as a band-aid fix compared to a solid finned heatsink that would cost 3x the amount (Another example of talking out of your ass, see your quote "try to make cheaper version sell it to unexpecting/unknowing.)

That picture is from another member telling me about how he had to replace over 3 modules at a time, multiple time's a year due to the "heatsink" not being surfaced sufficiently, with a contact patch for that of a CPU. The user had to extensively modify (Resurfacing metal ain't for everyone ...) each sink on his own to get the unit to function reliably.

 

[oneshot]

OK Great so you have 30 days.. after that see my previous post.



MEE TOOO, The amount of stuff seem to believe over hearsay is hilarious! half the bs come from cheap knock of companies, and the other half come from the stoners whom buy these junk products and want to defend it so there do not have to accept they've been had..

As far as that pic of X1, prime example of "looks ok to me" you cannot see the Bin or Brand or Spectrum of LED diodes by just looking at the back of the heatsink' like in your picture, so no I guess I cannot see the difference either.. Also No we did not invent the "heatsink" We developed our own, then others are soon to copy, just like alot of the tech we started' "remember this is China; Try to make cheaper version sell it to the unexpecting/unknowing"


Everthing we do is right on our website, some people choose to buy products without knowing what there getting so they pretend its better... Quite humorous! "black dog"

oneshot, I can already see you foaming at the mouth looking for a flame war. Unfortunately for your type I won't be responding to every comment out there.. If you want to make ridiculous claims I will laugh at them just like the next guy reading your posts does.

Some people know quality some do not' Some people know what to look for in a quality light, some do not. I guess Quality means snake oil to 1shot maybe even VooDoo???????

Oneshot is making a video for black dog, just starting flowering now. Lets see if it's a gram per watt' like people expect. When it comes to flower that's when the lights true ability shows'

Really hard to say/see the quality though from a video, anything can grow a plant, is the quality there? O I guess we will have to take your word for it just like the manufacture of the light. any high res pics?

Hey I guess for free though you can't beat that'

Let me guess If I give you a light you will sell out for me too?? Because if you think your having good results now you would be blown away by a Hydro Grow light.

lol. I just see history repeating itself is all. VerdantGreen does your lights justice.

I have plenty of journals documented if you want to see what my quality is. Silly goose, click on the signature links. I mean 1080p video @ 14MB bit rate is not good enough, I dunno what is? I'll buy a 4K camera I guess for you.

I hope you aren't calling me biased....

 

[Neekz]

They tout VG everywhere, but IMO he could SCROG with a matchstick (A good thing...). He's a cannabis artisan, PERIOD. Plenty of similar results with similar tech, but I guess people get lucky or do the HPS switcheroo to try and sell lights for companies they have no Afilliation with like MB's implying. Notice how Oneshot ain't say a thing about HGL, then MB tries to make like he's riling thing's up and that he won't give in to stuff, whilst trying to down talk/taunt homie. He won't reply straight cause he bitch made IMO, but I excercise my right to free speech and don't use word play, I lay out the facts.

 

[chileno1978]

I can see lots of fans of MB or ledgirl?

Hgl is already on guinnes?

 

[MeanBean]

Same people hating, Boring. This thread is to talk about COB lighting.

I am not going to waste my time proving anything to anyone disrespectful. You want the proof ITS ALL ON THE WEBSITE follow my signature. If you too lazy or ignorant to read the articles and explanations there then you probably not the type of person interested in a quality led grow light, why waste my time right???

I am not here to push lights especially to you I simply wanted to advertise here and thought it would be cool to chat it up again, now I see I got you 3 Hagglers lol, great....

The dutch passion record breaking articles, Data about BINs and PAR graphs, any and all specs about the light ALL ON WEBSITE. Look with your eyes not your mouth...

we did not develop the copper core heatsink, we had one developed for use with our chip boards, then all of a sudden every other led got it lol' hmmm.....

oneshot your videos do not show quality bub, if you need a 4k camera to take a good pic then you should get one if you think I am gonna bite lol'


WHERE IS THIS SMOKE, MIRRORS AND SNAKE OIL???? WHAT IS HGL HIDING???

Where are you people from? you use this terminology alot I bet LoL

You can talk smack on Cammie all you want I could seriously care less, just publicly shows the quality of person you are'

if you think your alibabba knock off is just as good I do not care, agree to disagree. I know others do not have the same mind set as you'.

 

[oneshot]

Same people hating, Boring. This thread is to talk about COB lighting.

I am not going to waste my time proving anything to anyone disrespectful. You want the proof ITS ALL ON THE WEBSITE follow my signature. If you too lazy or ignorant to read the articles and explanations there then you probably not the type of person interested in a quality led grow light, why waste my time right???

I am not here to push lights especially to you I simply wanted to advertise here and thought it would be cool to chat it up again, now I see I got you 3 Hagglers lol, great....

The dutch passion record breaking articles, Data about BINs and PAR graphs, any and all specs about the light ALL ON WEBSITE. Look with your eyes not your mouth...

we did not develop the copper core heatsink, we had one developed for use with our chip boards, then all of a sudden every other led got it lol' hmmm.....

oneshot your videos do not show quality bub, if you need a 4k camera to take a good pic then you should get one if you think I am gonna bite lol'


WHERE IS THIS SMOKE, MIRRORS AND SNAKE OIL???? WHAT IS HGL HIDING???

Where are you people from? you use this terminology alot I bet LoL

You can talk smack on Cammie all you want I could seriously care less, just publicly shows the quality of person you are'

if you think your alibabba knock off is just as good I do not care, agree to disagree. I know others do not have the same mind set as you'.

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EDIT: I didnt want it to become a big issue. This forum just has a history with HGL and LEDGirl. I have read your guys website up & down over the years. I also know I grow quality under all different brands of lights, if you don't think I am, I dunno what to tell you. It's pretty insulting.

 

[positivity]

Actually new person...

Boring...absolutely correct!

Much better things to fill mind with than this negativity

Your kinda hard to ignore though

Lets talk cob.

So far magnums cob unit looks pretty good. One user has already posted a burnt out emitter though. Should be interesting to see how that light progresses with warranty and final results.

The sol seems to be producing smallish produce. I was actually more impressed with a cree globe Home Depot bulb grow of similar power.

Will be on standby watching cobs for now. Price is too high for something so easy to build to justify testing them.

If the day comes to try one out ill just build one. That way I can use a substantial heatsink and no corners will need to be cut. Pretty sure you could lay out the build in just a few easy steps.

 

[positivity]

Looking back at beans post something caught my eye...hagglers

Neekz and one shots contribution to the forum is much more valuable than what you have offered

Perception is everything in life

 

[PetFlora]

Mean Bean,

Although I see the Sol as a step in the right direction, there is no good reason to use multichips when simple COBs (NW + WW) are all that's needed to grow awesome meds

Obviously, this flies in the face of you wanting to sell overpriced lessor panels

An educated consumer is a retailers worst enemy.

Why you waste your time arguing with those of us who have a clue is beyond me

 

[chileno1978]

100% China COB (big fish lenses) with moby dick, they SUCK! (not bad for the first time with led) world record?
Would love to make a sbs with SOL

 

[PetFlora]

He he

I expect to be ordering a couple 2 x 2 panels @ 39w (100 l/w!) early next week http://www.atgelectronics.com/lighting/Illumination/LEDTroffer/Flat-LED-Panel-Light.html

If USPS delivers (a day late already) I am expecting 2 @ 45w ufo type lights from A51 today: one NW, one WW using helios engines

I will toss them in the led tent for now