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Crooked8

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Also, goldstar, guy who calls people stoners on a damn weed forum, when i explained why a side by side was not truly possible and you called the scenario unfounded, you were wrong. Everything i said made perfect sense. Side by side experiments with plants can never include founded evidence. Which is why its hilarious you would go around to everyones opinion and call it unfounded. It cant be, so, thanks for stating the obvious, i guess?
 

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Your ego is what bugs me. You just love the word unfounded. You're obstreperous. It isnt possible to do a TRUE side by side with founded data as a result with plants. Especially with cannabis especially in regards to defoliation. There are too many variables. Explain how one would conduct a side by side that could result in data nobody could contest. I do have data, i said before my yields increased per light by a percentage. Thats based on data i personally keep recorded. I dont have time to keep arguing about a topic i know improves yield. Its impossible to deny an extra half a lb per 2k is there when it wasn't before.
 

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You can find strong correlations not founded evidence. Medel experimented with genetics of plants. Im only talking about phenotypic expression and behavior.
 

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I agree with crooked8. My yield went up as well. Did I record it no. I have had a significant increase in yield though.
 
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Im glad that guys crap is over.......you!, absurd logic, you! Unfounded info, you! Insane scenario.....who the hell does that? Side by sides in plant behavior only show strong correlations they cannot show concrete proof of anything because of all the possible outside factors. Anyone who wants to argue that just doesn't understand how experimentation works and the reason i mentioned psych so often was because thats where you learn about experimentation on a broad spectrum. Now, as for defoliation, all we can do is suspect that our methods are working.
 

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We can say we think defoliation strongly correlates with denser tops and bottoms and higher yield. We cant say for sure.
 

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:yeahthats

IMO Defo works if you want better production, period!
10+ years growing test all the techniques and now I only do supercropping and defo, with that I get the best crop. (no more scrog, lst, apical cuts, etc.)


lol with 10 years and you getting your best crops now growing with LED lighting 300 watts awe ok there dude and how much not trying to piss on your parade but curious on yields on your best crops lmao i run over 1800 watts on exhaust alone let alone another 800 watts to power up fans, c02 and other equip before 3000 - 5000 watts of light even comes on :laughing: bottom line if you want to get the best possible yield it will be done scrog style hell if you can beat 7 pounds 3 oz off 12 plants 3k then talk with 5 weeks -6 weeks veg time and chopping day 46 from flip this is getting stupid already defoilating yes trim lower bud shit which will never amount to anything other then B grade weed which is worth fuck all and this is why i get a kick out of all this people trimming leafs off so what That lower 1 " bud will form and into what really LARF learn to keep internoding tight so buds form into big buds thats what its all about train crop even lst hell when we grew out door 1200 plants mid summer we would stake them litterally bend them right over
to think that deleafing is going to get you better yields is plan stupid all your going to have is huge half pound bags of larf with some nice buds that were on top thats it to the buyer of that pound he knows it will be shake in know time by the time it goes thru few hands and onto the street and again that half pound bag is worth fuck all https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=39004&pictureid=921957
 

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lol with 10 years and you getting your best crops now growing with LED lighting 300 watts awe ok there dude and how much not trying to piss on your parade but curious on yields on your best crops lmao i run over 1800 watts on exhaust alone let alone another 800 watts to power up fans, c02 and other equip before 3000 - 5000 watts of light even comes on :laughing: bottom line if you want to get the best possible yield it will be done scrog style hell if you can beat 7 pounds 3 oz off 12 plants 3k then talk with 5 weeks -6 weeks veg time and chopping day 46 from flip this is getting stupid already defoilating yes trim lower bud shit which will never amount to anything other then B grade weed which is worth fuck all and this is why i get a kick out of all this people trimming leafs off so what That lower 1 " bud will form and into what really LARF learn to keep internoding tight so buds form into big buds thats what its all about train crop even lst hell when we grew out door 1200 plants mid summer we would stake them litterally bend them right over
to think that deleafing is going to get you better yields is plan stupid all your going to have is huge half pound bags of larf with some nice buds that were on top thats it to the buyer of that pound he knows it will be shake in know time by the time it goes thru few hands and onto the street [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=46044&pictureid=1078539&thumb=1]View Image[/url] and again that half pound bag is worth fuck all[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=39004&pictureid=921961&thumb=1]View Image[/url] [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=39004&pictureid=921953&thumb=1]View Image[/url] https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=39004&pictureid=921957


What strain? White widow?
 

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The strain looks like a naturally tight strain as far as inter nodal spacing goes. What does that cut fetch wholesale lb prices? If its standard white widow it is considered commercial in any mmj state and not of top shelf price. I challenge you to try and keep the inter nodal spacing tight on any og strain. Without pgrs and just light intensity/training i guarantee you cant get them to stack anything like your previous photo. Its in the genetics. Also if you're not defoliating on those plants you're cutting your yield in my opinion. The leaf doesn't get in the way of one lower 1" bud but all of them get in the way of ALL of the lower buds. If you remove them over time from weeks 5-8 you can clearly see the light penetrating the canopy way better than before and you will not see stress on the plant. I bet all your lowers would be fatter and tighter.
 

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what i am trying to say here is your light is set at 4 feet your plant itop is 20 " from bulb and your going to de leaf and get something when your light is 3 - 4 feet away from the buds on lower part of plant you will its called LARF lol you want buds like this not like one i got in my hands lol bottom line i tryed deleafing in flower and that is what i got actual smaller top buds as well lots of buds like on white glove to me that is not yield cause it will take a shit load of that to make half pound bag with end result being buyer is bytching people want 1 0z buds not a hole bunch of shake and small crap to make a oz
 

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willyweed

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3400 - 3800 a pound if i go further north up to 6000 a pound

6000 a pound . $6000 for 454 grams ?(i rounded the grams up for working out )
$13.2 a gram . if ya gonna catch a big fish you may as well make it a whopper .
whats the exchange rate$ between us and canada at the mo dr fever ,it may explain a lot
 

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in northern parts Canada people out there are making large money in the oil and gas sector prices the drive is expensive and they pay for it hell when ppl when rent is 4000 a month you can see why prices are so high its demand and not enough of it th dollar rate is always between cents
 

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You do realize it could be your strain that dislikes the defoliation right? Ever grown bubba? If you dont defoliate yield is SHIT. Ive never found a cut that didnt like it and resulted in bigger buds on top and bottom but im not gonna say every strain is that way. Just what ive seen.
 

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6000 a pound . $6000 for 454 grams ?(i rounded the grams up for working out )
$13.2 a gram . if ya gonna catch a big fish you may as well make it a whopper .
whats the exchange rate$ between us and canada at the mo dr fever ,it may explain a lot

yea i herd there selling it at 25 -30 a gram
 

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You do realize it could be your strain that dislikes the defoliation right? Ever grown bubba? If you dont defoliate yield is SHIT. Ive never found a cut that didnt like it and resulted in bigger buds on top and bottom but im not gonna say every strain is that way. Just what ive seen.
i have orginal Bubba kush S1 and s2' from a repituble seed guy on here , bubba is not a very big yielder to begin with right but in order to get the best bang out of her Scrog would probably be the best
you dont need to worry about de leafing just keep tucking them leafs down trim lower sucker buds off and you will have the best possible yield the strain can give yea as long as you trained and made lots of tops in direct light 16 " away from all tops not going to beat that
 

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i have just has some ppp. and i found it to be very bland ! yes i got stoned, but not how i like too,just not enough taste for me! you are lucky to have a specialist market place for your product .long may it continue for you .
 

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not sure if its the same ppp that i got people are carzy over it i found it to be up lifting made me laugh and just feel really good all around the hash from it is amazing almost to strong so needed to leaf it back meaning use more leaf and it comes out wicked shit 12 plants almost gave me 3/4 pound of hash on top of which is amazing
 

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