Sea Green by Beneficial Biologics- sample

[GeorgeSmiley]

Love being wrong... I do it well ...... I mean I could be wrong. So I did some more searching/reading...... and if a couple of things go together (just conjecture on my part) then I would be wrong in some of the possibilities of ingredients and comments Ive made thread about the origins etc

I was really interested in finding out more info since I opened my mouth so much on this topic based on level of micro etc someone listed on page one. Which incidentally is actually the listed ingredients for a root inoculate they produce. I couldn't actually find anything saying sea green has those bacterias in it.? or just missed it. Also, sea green is registered in Oregon as a 1.5-0.5-4.0. with 3.7% humic acid, WA and NY 0.2-0.1-0.1. is all I could find. Beneficial biological registrant address is the same as a hydro store in NorCal.


At any rate, I couldn't think of anything else it could be, Ive been down the trail of many, many products and the composition and dosage of sea green is very small in comparison. So hormones or microbiological is all I could think of. If it were a hormone, the dosage would be higher and they would probably have a recommendation for not using it at certain growth stages.... But their feed chart shows use throughout the plants life. So now back to bacteria..... I found,

Several years ago first in 03 then in 06 a guy/research company called primordial solutions in CO applied for a grant with the USDA to develop a bio-fertilizer. (That was called Geodex but was withdrawn)

"Photosynthetic, nitrogen-fixing biofertilizer derived from native cyanobacteria"

http://www.reeis.usda.gov/web/crisp...synthetic-nitrogen-fixing-biofertilizers.html

Deployed cyanobacterial inoculants stabilize the soil, contribute fixed nitrogen and carbon, and increase soil moisture. Since the biofertilizers is alive, these attributes improve with time and enhances the productivity and nutritional value of the native vascular vegetation. Taken together, this new industry will benefit environmental restoration, mining, energy extraction, and livestock industry. Finally, the productivity and economic health, managed by the USDA and USDI, will benefit.

http://www.ieca.org/membersonly/cms/viewabstract.asp?AbstractID=171

In contrast, Primordial Solutions, Inc., has developed a technology that is designed to restore soil fertility, water retention, and reduce erosion without relying on the presence of vascular plants. Instead, we exploit photosynthetic microorganisms, called cyanobacteria or “blue-green algae,” which convert solar energy to stored chemical energy, and fix atmospheric nitrogen (N 2) into usable ammonia (NH3). The fixed nitrogen is ultimately incorporated into proteins and nucleic acids, biopolymers essential to life. Throughout the world, cyanobacteria, lichens, bacteria, and fungi, establish selfsufficient microbial communities called “Biological Soil Crusts” (BSC). In the American southwest, BSC are responsible for 99% of the nitrogen input, represent up to 70% of the living ground cover, improve the nutritional value of forage plants, improve water retention, and control erosion.

That is.... if its the same company/related company. Primordial Solutions is registered as a brand name of the product registered by Beni Bio and a business name of a company in CO.

True grit, my point was never whether its organic or not There are a lot of products that are organic that you shouldn't use either..... my point is some people dont know what they put in their soil and on their plants and don't really care. Its bitten people in the ass many times and has health consequences for some. Sorta like...... Bought it, used it, recommended it.... even justified it....... What's in it? "No idea, something thick, but the package says its all good." Hopefully it turns out to be safe? My point is there's no excuse for the severe lack of due diligence on some peoples part especially if they provide meds for other people.

GS

 

[Microbeman]

Understandable, but aside from what it says on the bottle comparing it chems/unknown inputs is not close to spot on...And saying patients are at odds because I don't what every single bacteria in it is far from the truth as well. Its derived from components are completely accepted materials in the organic world- i had no clue it had that bacteria that is listed, period. i thought it was just a fancy humic as it should be from ingredients, and could not figure out why it works SO much better than any other humic additive on the market. Check yourself before you start assuming the worst- you guys in this forum, whether you know it all or not sure are on a high horse about organics lol... another thread was complaining about bottled certified organic nutes as well. think its funny cuz i bet most folks aren't even that anal about their organic food consumption.

I did not use nor imply the term 'at odds' nor did I imply or mean that one needs to know every microbe which is in everything by species. This is after all impossible using compost. The only point I have brought up is wanting to know the ingredients of the product, simple.

My discussion regarding the use of chemical hydroponics was to compare to my own changes and in relation to larger scale growing in reply to your mention of closet grows.

No one has even said it is a humic acid (that I noticed) until now. That all the ingredients are not listed, that I know of, makes it fall into the unknown inputs category for now. I will happily see that this is incorrect.

There is no high horse. Something is either safe & appropriate to use or not. We are continuously learning on that curve. [just as I've recently learned of the polonium 210 content of soft rock phosphate] This is the 'Organic Soil' forum.

I had thought from an earlier post in this thread, that the company had stated it would not pass muster for an organic garden.

I think George makes very valid points and believe I'll leave it at that.

 

[cyat]

derived from : fish protein hydroslate and 3.7% humic acid derived from leonardite

no bacteria listed, thats off my bottle....

I have a shelf for products I tried but didnt seem to make a difference, this stuff is on the shelf along with I try all kind of junk ) spirulina powder,growers secret pro, aloe extract, foxfarm microbes, ej rootstock, aptus fasilitor and start boost(samples) ,floralicious veg, great white,calcarb, sm90 ,orangegaurd,barley enzymes, thats just off the head and recent stuff i havent tossed yet, that list would be long.. sorry for rambling

sorry to whoever likes any of these products....different strokes

actually never used any bacteria/microbiology product that seemed to do much

have run aquaponics and that biology is essential to make it work, and it must be cultivated over time... bottles will not work...

 

[Microbeman]

derived from : fish protein hydroslate and 3.7% humic acid derived from leonardite

no bacteria listed, thats off my bottle....

I have a shelf for products I tried but didnt seem to make a difference, this stuff is on the shelf along with I try all kind of junk ) spirulina powder,growers secret pro, aloe extract, foxfarm microbes, ej rootstock, aptus fasilitor and start boost(samples) ,floralicious veg, great white,calcarb, sm90 ,orangegaurd,barley enzymes, thats just off the head and recent stuff i havent tossed yet, that list would be long.. sorry for rambling

sorry to whoever likes any of these products....different strokes

actually never used any bacteria/microbiology product that seemed to do much

have run aquaponics and that biology is essential to make it work, and it must be cultivated over time... bottles will not work...

Thank you...and that is this? http://www.beneficialbiologics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=6

and the stuff 'love2gro lifted from their site?
and the stuff Watts posted?

 

[cyat]

yeah thats the same stuff I have

stinks and foams in hydro and creates a nasty black biofilm

I have used it in soil and hydro

 

[true grit]

All to the good Microbe- glad I could clarify that IMO it was just a fancy hUmic. I just tend to get defensive when folks assume I would give my patients anything detrimental! All I could I could find was the humic info but vs anything other humic or even raw humates this stuff owns. I'm very on point with my organic coco regimen and adding this stuff simply blew me away- hence the enthusiasm.

 

[Avinash.miles]

dosage w the rootamentary is .25 ml per gal, is that enuf to affect plants if it was packed w pgrs?
dosage for tru blooms is 2 ml per gal

they certainly smell organic and biological, and dont have the same consistency of a flower dragon or gravity

 

[SeaMaiden]

George, I am fascinated by the cyanobacteria thing, absolutely fascinated.

Avinash, depending on the PGR, knowing what little I know about hormone action and activity in both humans, some inverts and plants, I would suggest that, yes, a very little bit is all that's needed to have an effect. I am not familiar with these products at all, though, just to be clear.

 

[ixnay007]

Thank you...and that is this? http://www.beneficialbiologics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=6

and the stuff 'love2gro lifted from their site?
and the stuff Watts posted?

Jesus, the word is tract. Digestive tract.

 

[Dkgrower]

So what more presise is the effect off the SM

reduce stem elongation, inducing early flowering, improving flowering, compacting plants, producing earlier budded plants with multiple buds per shoot.

 

[FreedomFightr]

This struff will make your resi frothy

 

[ColorGRo]

I use Sea Green and see great results compared to not using it. My plants in veg just explode. I sure would live to find something cheaper if it works this good or better. Will have to check out the product listed earlier in this thread that's cheaper and more concentrated. Anybody happen to ever try both products?

 

[pokearound]

Great discussion.

 

[SMOKE-ONE]

Just bought a bottle,and gonna see whats all the fuss about.

 

[ogbudder420]

Do you use this as a seperate watering or do you add it with your teas

 

[opt1c]

if you add it to the tea add it at the end; unless you like cleaning your walls

 

[LionInnaZion]

Any more reviews on Sea Green or similar/better products.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i use sea green, true blooms, rootamentary, humalogic, and kelplogic

 

[Kygiacomo!!!]

hey guys i just checked out benefical biologicals website and they dont have sea green,tru bloom or rootamenty no more. do u all know if they stopped making these products?

 

[cooterbrown420]

They changed them, sea green is now a 2 part that is supposed to better for the grower lol I am pissed i loved me some sea green