SOG yields

[cooguy45]

lollipop is when you grow one large cola ... where it looks like a lollipop

 

[blackone]

It also includes trimming away branches and leaves at the bottom, making the plant look like a bud on a stick. The typical christmas tree shape might use too much area (depending on strain) for sideshoots compared to the weight of those smaller buds, and if planted too close together those lower buds will just be shaded out and yield nothing but popcorn. Lollypopping is aimed at producing a sea of pure beautiful top-colas with good bag appeal that makes it easy to sell.

Don't forget the trimming post harvest either - when trimming up a small bush or christmas tree most of the time is spent trimming all of the smaller buds. The cola(s) are pretty much just snip-snip-snip-done.

 

[TGT]

I hate trimming smaller buds. Lately I have been just trimming the large and medium sized ones. All the small ones I clip from the branches and dry bone dry, then shake them around a bag and all the larger leaves fall off and crumble leaving just the buds. Not the best way, but very easy. When mixed with the larger trimmed buds the whole bag looks great.

TGT

 

[fiveminuteslate]

I have tried numerous strains using the SOG method.. both with NO veg time and with 5-14 days of veg...

seems the average yield is between 14-28 grams.. depending on strain/enviro/feeding..

-5minl8

 

[ItsAllOver]

Bringin it back.

Bringin it back.

This is old school, but bump nonetheless... I love this idea!

Yea this is a good post. We should make a form or template for this post like so:

Strain:
Plants per sq. ft.:
Hydro method and medium:
Wattage:
Veg Time:
Height/nodes at flower:
Height at end of flower:
Stretch amount (in% or inches):
Grams per kola:
Grams per watt:
Grams per sq ft:


I think this would let us (as a community) dial in the proper numbers in SOG. Obviously genetics and wattage will play a factor.



Keep them stats commin'!

Strain: Pot of Gold
Plants per sq. ft.: 6 plants/sq. ft. (24 plants in a 2'x2')
Hydro method and medium: Flood & Drain - 4" Rockwool Cubes
Wattage: 600w
Veg Time: Hmm, hard to say, about 4 days
Height/nodes at flower: 4" 6-7 nodes
Height at end of flower: 12-14"
Stretch amount (in% or inches): ~3x
Grams per kola: 12.5
Grams per watt: .5 gpw
Grams per sq ft: 75 gr./sq ft

Extra Info: -Heat was ridiculous at 95F. -Roots grew out of cubes, they could have benefited from more/better used medium. -In addition, they were moved somewhere and kept under only room lighting for a security reason for ~2 days right in the beginning of the bulking up stage.

Anyone else interested in filling in?

 

[Sam the Caveman]

Great idea ItsAllOver. This collection of information in one thread would be invaluable.

 

[Smokeone1]

I am considering going SOG on my next grow. I have only grown tree style with big plants. I use the 8 bucket waterfarm and would put 3-4 plants per bucket for a total of 24-32 plants in a 4x5 (20 sq feet) space under 1200 watts. I average about 4-6 oz per plant tree style (2 pounds total) with 4 weeks of veg under 1k MH. I would want to get the same or better yield going SOG with less veg time.

how did you stop your roots from getting tangled?? i have 3 in a 21gallon and vegging for a month.

 

[ItsAllOver]

Just want to bump this one selfishly because I am trying to time my flip right now...
Anybody want to throw in their 2cents?

Peace

 

[smoke1sun]

Just want to bump this one selfishly because I am trying to time my flip right now...
Anybody want to throw in their 2cents?

Peace

Check this, the guy who came up with this name was Tick. He had some awesome cabs, and buds, theres also some info on building his cabs. Lots a great info dug up in these threads.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=32013
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=32017

 

[ItsAllOver]

Thanks for the links, man. I remember Tick from back in the day. The pictures aren't perfectly well-labeled so hard to gather much from.
We shall see.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Bump, where's all the SOG growers at? I'm gonna be doing a SOG on my next run with 36 plants per 4x4 tray/600w, 5 trays altogether. Let's get some more info rocking here.

Peace,
HGO

 

[Fields~of~Green]

hard to find a good sog these days hgo but i would look in the german section those guys rock sog real good

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235461

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=227537

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=243604

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=246121&page=5 (coco slabs)

 

[hush]

Sog is the best, my absolute favorite method for multiple reasons... If it weren't for that damned plant count!!

Not only are sog gardens the most productive, but they are the most aesthetically pleasing, too.

Goddamn fascist bastards and their mandatory minimums keeping me from growing my preferred way...

 

[madalasatori]

Bump, where's all the SOG growers at? I'm gonna be doing a SOG on my next run with 36 plants per 4x4 tray/600w, 5 trays altogether. Let's get some more info rocking here.

Peace,
HGO

How comes you're changing grow styles mate?

 

[blackone]

Used to see quite a few people doing 64 rooted cuts in a 4x4 under 600w. Never done more than 36 in that space myself.

 

[jansku]

I have rainforest2 18pcs. and 600w.1week veg then 12/12.Or two 2week veg?

 

[stoney917]

May I suggest take nice big healthy cuts and lettem root well then go to a coco bed... U kill it with yield....

 

[Storm Shadow]

5-10 fresh rooted cuts per square foot... Oohh weee.. its how you get the best yields and nicest looking nugs that are consistent ... shit load of tops...easy trimming .. no veg time

The right strain could get 3lbs per light all day

 

[blackone]

5-10 fresh rooted cuts per square foot... Oohh weee.. its how you get the best yields and nicest looking nugs that are consistent ... shit load of tops...easy trimming .. no veg time

The right strain could get 3lbs per light all day

And the wrong strain could be a tangled mess of nothing but stems racing for the light with nothing but popcorn to show for it But yeah if the genetics are right you can really rock with a SOG

 

[medicalmj]

What's the average yield per cola with the SOG method.. veg 5-10 days... 60 plants 2x4 ebb flow tray with 2 600 watt lights..

I know a lot of shit varies.. but i was jsut curious how much SOG growers are yielding per cola...

I seen this is like 5 years old, but...

60 plants in a 2x4 is too tight. At most do 4 per square foot or 32 plants instead of the sixty in that 2x4 tray. Also, are you going to use 4x4 RW cubes?

Next you have 1200 watts over a single 2x4 tray. Even if the plants cover an extra foot around the tray, you still have around 100 watts per square foot! Instead back that down to around 50 watts /sq*ft by using a 4x4 tray or only use 600 watts for the 2x4.

So there is an upper limit to how big each cola can get. And there are diminishing returns on things like watts /sq*ft. Over 50 and you should be looking at increasing space. And plant count, over 4/sq*ft and you should look at more space. It sounds like wattage nor plant count is your limiting factor. Space is your limiting factor.

Therefore, I'd conclude by saying 600 watts covering 12-15 sq*ft is capable of producing around 16-24 oz. If you want to maximize your output then a SOG with 32 plants under that light should do it, especially when time is considered.

That equates to (32) fat colas (with the right strain!)that weigh between 14 and 21 grams per 600 watt light.

And yes, I'd prefer to just clone and flower in 4x4 cubes on a E&F table, but those Feds are uptight about plant counts.