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a few observations regarding the quality of cannabis in Australia

sensient

Member
Hi guys,i wanted to call the thread a few oservations regading the quality of cannabis commercially availible in Australia today.
Anyway,basicly over the last couple of months i have been aquiring and testing alot of the availble pot in my Area,i have been living in tasmania for the last couple of years(Don,t ask!).
Anyway,i have aquired many diffrent samples of verying Quality.
Losts of outdoor and a fair bit of indoor.
Now regarding the indoor,it seems most of the lines grown are very simular,and have been clones past around fopr many years,i encounterd many shunk#1 lines,some pure s#1,ohters hybrids with local bush lines but definatly sk#1 related,i aslo encounterd northern light and predominatly whit rhino,and hybris with local lines of it,but basicly most lines seemed very simular.Now regarding Quality,some of the stuff was well grown,but the majority where incorrectly dried and cured,or wet! it seems most growers aren,t intrested in quality product,just getting it out there as fast as possible.
Alot of the product was slightly inmature!
Please understand,this doesn,t come down to having dud contacts,it just seems over the last year or so,quality has dropped dramaticly!
There are some great growers out there,but they are not intrested in selling there product,they grow for themselves.
Even in the well grown and dried,cured products,i was not impressed,they produced what i call a bland stone,a stoning effect ijn the body,and a lethargic feel in the head,but no true what i consider psycoactive effects,most flavous where generic and boring,the product seemd bland andwith very generic flavous,and most of the product although seemingly well grown,was treated very badly in the drying and curing stages,these i did not even want to smoke,but did for testing purposes.
Now with the outdoor,most was grown from local availible bush lines,unrelated to the commercial seed scene,some exceptions where found,namely some northen lights,blueberry,and a local hybrid between the sour deisel i.b.l and cherry bomb.
Some was really well grown,but little,most was very inmarture,and badly grown,dried cured and packaged.
Now although most where badly grown and inproply cured,the local bush but proved supperior in effect to the commercial imported lines,and indoor,i found most of the bush where of pure sativa origin.but also some more indica influenced lines.
Most of the product was extremly poorly grwon,and of very low quality,with the odd gem,but i must say it produced a far better experiance that most of the indoor.No0w the question is why is this happening,and further,is this happening Australia wide?
I thought i would start this thread to gain an insight into this situation,and see the genral opinion from others in other states of Aus on this matter within there own state.
I am thinking this is the same situation all over Australia,and feel for non growers who have to purchase there supply.
I have notice the prices are getting crazzy,with 1g gramms of pretty rough bush going for $20,wtf! it really is a sad state of affairs.
UI am looking for others opinions,and would like to discuss the matter lore indepth,if you have something to add,please post your opinions,thanks...Sensient
 

idiit

Active member
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i believe that reinvigorating overly inbred man made strains with true landrace nature selected strains is the answer to the genetic aspect. cash crop stackin paper mentality will not produce the quality that pride and love for the herb can produce. this topic is of great interest to me however it is also highly susceptible to "flame posts". i'm no authority. just my cents2.
 

sensient

Member
i believe that reinvigorating overly inbred man made strains with true landrace nature selected strains is the answer to the genetic aspect. cash crop stackin paper mentality will not produce the quality that pride and love for the herb can produce. this topic is of great interest to me however it is also highly susceptible to "flame posts". i'm no authority. just my cents2.

Hi mate,thank-you very much for the post,and i must say i agree entirely,this is exactly what i was looking for,and value the opinion of all,i think we are all adults,and can treat this topic seriously without any B.S!
This is a highly relevent discusuion i feel,and could became a realt great thread and rsource,and could be kept going fo many year to gain a lerger picture of what is happening.and what change needs to be made,i look foprward to a great thread,thanks..Sensient:gday:
 

THC123

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Most of the product was extremly poorly grwon,and of very low quality,with the odd gem,but i must say it produced a far better experiance that most of the indoor.No0w the question is why is this happening,and further,is this happening Australia wide?

IME indoor always looks better and most of the times taste smoother , but efect wise outdoor weed almost always gives me a stronger effect then indoor

i have also wondered about his many times as indoor is supposed to be stronger then OD

often my outdoor gives me a better effect then nice coffeeshop nugs
 

High Country

Give me a Kenworth truck, an 18 speed box and I'll
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I haven't had to buy pot in about 15 years, what's the commercial shit like......mine is just fine.

Cheers, interesting thread.
 

bonsai

Member
The "hydge" I smoked 15 years ago in QLD tastes the same as the cash cropper output in Sydney tasted 5 years ago and the generic Melbourne indoor tastes now. Bland, boring, chemical-laden, high-THC/low-CBD paranoia-inducing bleh. I don't bother anymore, I'd rather go without if I can't get something grown by someone who cares.
 
C

CLOWD11

The problem here in tas is the short summer. Mould is a common problem for outdoor on the north and north west. East coast stuff seems ok. The increase in border protection has stopped a lot coming over on the ferry or by mail. Id expect a lot of indoor growers are just starting out after having to deal with shortages, but yeah its pretty similar crap to buy with spatterings of nice outdoor stuff. I guess it comes down to who you know, some small pockets like to stay small.
 
lets just say if i had an option, buy pot or no smoke..i probably wouldn't smoke thats how low i rate the pot that's available for me to buy, people here seem to either pull early or feed a very high EC all the way through, it either is a prem high or horrible tasting for me.
 

tripist

Member
I have to agree with you guys it seems anything i can buy around here is either loaded with chemicals, immature or part mouldy. i don't even bother buying it any more as there just doesn't seem to be the same quality readily available now, luckily i still have a few friends who love growing and always seem to keep our small circle in supply
 

BudgetBud

Member
I'm paying 300 a bag for what i'd consider almost not woth the time smoking, very occasionally i'll come across a real sweet grape smelling stuff, nice high, oldscool sativa after taste, always small buds.
I'd have to agree that things arn't in a good way, prompting me to grow my own stash.
 
That's it BB grow your own 'n stay at home, enjoy the fruits of your labour. I myself gave up awhile ago on buying as I have become physically ill (no lie) after smoking commercial bud from melbourne. I will always be open to smoking friends outdoor gear and buying some if possible when I'm out but apart from that I have banned myself from buying bud from comm sources as it never fails to dissapoint. I thought comm stuff was shit in the 90's but after smoking some comm only a few years back I now know the true meaning of shwag. I prefer not to smoke at all than buy comm shit and have recently gone for months at a time without a smoke and I think it just makes it all the more enjoyable once I get to smoke my own clean, cured (not always, I dig in straight away!) and well grown bud. I have badly neglected plants now and then and still the smoke taken from those plants was in another league to the wet, dirty shit you buy these days and I don't consider myself a good grower which says a lot, really.
 

High Country

Give me a Kenworth truck, an 18 speed box and I'll
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Sow the seed and grow the weed, don't buy the shit. Better off paying for seed than weed, then you you don't have to buy any more.
 

Squiggles

Member
ive been growing commercial weed for years for other crew,
always took the time to grow out seed and select and try mothers.
all depends on the grower i think i see alot of crap comming from perth these days,
it reminds me of Sydney and the beaster houses.
as a whole i think commercial has gone to shite for most unless your in the know
crew think growing dope is easy and for the most part it is
untill you have 30 odd elbows to trim and dry, all crew see then is dollar signs
and whinge when trimming
its a fucked up world deal with it
if you have your shit together and a green thumb drop some smoko of to your friendly
local dealer you never know what doors could open
some crew pay top dollar for good indoor growers
ive seen Australia, flights, hotels and smoko been a blast
so overgrow Australia make commercial what it should be A+ grade
the future is bright
wear sunglasses

:tiphat:

'EDIT' honestly go grow your own would be good too see a few more passinate growers out there
IC is a great start i grow for a select few these days and only because they have shit loads of money,
from legitmate buisness and it makes sence to grow good weed rather than support organised criminals
and crap weed commercial grower is a double sided term,
yeh what i do is at a comercial level but eh theres a need i just fill the gap for a privilaged few
 

High Country

Give me a Kenworth truck, an 18 speed box and I'll
Veteran
You can make or buy a 1/2 decent hydro set up for the price of an ounce. Try it, you will be surprised at the yields and the money saved. There's enough info on this site to get you going.
 

OldSkoolKlein

Active member
Nice to see that I'm not the only one who has thought that the general overall quality of pot has decreased over the years. I've been smoking for nearly 20 yrs now and i have noticed the changes (for the worse for the most part) in the appearance, curing quality, psychoactive effects of the gear in Sydney.

Not wanting to tread on toes that will lead to more serious injuries (or 'disappearing'), but does anyone think that, let's call them, 'colourful business identities' who 'may' have interests in other drug activities are responsible for this blanding down?

If one is going to grow pot as a business and there is no regulatory pressure for quality etc, why would they do their customers a favor by i dunno, adding some variety to the strains available and upping the quality over the rest of the process.

But until our govt's here in Aust./NZ look at it as:
1. A law and order issue (doesn't really work, free the cops to do real cop work)
2. An economics issue(taxes!!! yay! shiny tax money!) and
3. a health issue by research into medicinal properties, education based on fact (guess what? You don't need to SMOKE it to get the effect, or can you 'get lung cancer/name your disease' from hash cookies?)

Among many, many other issues, what hope is there except to grow our own, share the knowledge, help others when and where we can, and enjoy some green in one's favoured way.

P.s. Sensient; love your sig, i really miss a decent sativa, couchlock gives me the royal shits frankly.
 

High Country

Give me a Kenworth truck, an 18 speed box and I'll
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Most people I know just buy or grow pot to get stoned. The ones who buy tend to be always after the people who grow. So you take the pick, grow commercially or for ones self. High risk, no risk.......I'm sticking with the second option.
 
Interesting thread, ive always found it humourous when local crew who have only ever smoked the same gear day in day out for ten years say dope is dope man, when we have suc a huge variety of strains to cultivate. I find majority of outdoor commercial gear is some schwag ass seeded out crap that is barely dried let alone trimmed, hell u can get a 5g bud tr it and loose half the weight. The commercial guys here are just interested in $$$ and no one cares because dope is dope right :p
 

Goldust

Member
well ppl i know that i have shared with say mine was better than most they have ever brought cos i reckon most growers dont care and just push it out before finished or dry and cured
 
I would agree with most statements made in this thread. It really depends on who you know. Very few people in Aus seem to know to much info on the herb they are smoking like lineage and strain name. I just hope that us fellow Aussies will educate ourselves alot more in the cannabis department. There is a whole world of exciting cannabis strains out there!!! Not to mention some very tasty extracts!!
 

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