Dynagrow KLN Cali Availability...

[FreedomFightr]

Damn I just found out today that Dynagrow KLN is not being sold by Sunlight, Hydro, etc. I guess Cali is making Gynagrow change the labeling to some kind of pesticide. You can still order it direct but for now you may not find it @ your Local Hydro Shop in Cali. any time soon.

Maybe nobody here in cali uses it? I for sure use it, and it works wonders, thought I would share.
Maybe someone has more knowledge on why they are making them label it a pesticide?

Increase the Peace.

 

[Izoc666]

really ? im not aware of any change of the labeling...but im sure they will conitune to sell the product, not banned.

last week i went to the hydro store, they still have those KLNs on the shelf.

all i know that gravity and bushmaster are banned in Cali for good.

I did spoke to DG chemist regard Dyna-Gro Root Gel since the label warning that not intended for feed purpose...I called em and if its okay to use tabacoo plant for clone it will affect, like translocation to the tissuse , how long it will viable in the leaves etc. The chemist said those label was forced by government but its totally safe to use this product for any crop and food purpose for many years with no problem at all.

when im finishing with my current grows , Ill buy KLN for sure ! i have Foliage Pro, GROW 7-9-5, Bloom and Pro-Tekt, its great product !

happy gardening

 

[krunchbubble]

This happens to a lot of nutrients in Cali...

What Dynagrow will do is relabel it as something else besides KLN....

Says its a derivative of something , NOT list the ingredients and everything will be cool...

American Agritech does this to just about all its lines...

Just buy direct or off Amazon, EBAY till the new label comes out...

 

[FreedomFightr]

Dyna is the most under rated Nute company in the game. They are like the industry secret...lol

 

[TheBioMaster]

They are for sure working out the details to satisfy the Cali state regulations in regards to the product label for KLN. It will be back on the shelves with the approved label for Cali very soon.

Have worked with Dya-Gro and there products for many years now and they are for sure the most under rated hydroponic nutrient on the market today! Lots do not know that Dyna-Gro developed one of the very first hydroponic nutrient formulas over 30 years ago!

The one part complete Bloom formula is the most concentrated form of P available, and happens to make up one of the best nutrient profiles possible for medical MJ for both veg and early flowering cycles. You will grow a serious root mass using the ratio's provided by the Bloom formula and then "tweaked" slightly with Cal/Mag for some extra Nitrogen when you get into later stages of veg and transitional periods to flower.

The Mag Pro product is a extremely well working booster to increase magnesium and sulfur....it has multiple uses and is cheaply priced and works excellent and yet you never hear about the product or its use much at all.....

 

[mcattak]

NAA
IBA

 

[TheBioMaster]

NAA
IBA

Is there a point your trying to make? Not sure what this means really. What about the hormones NAA and IBA which are in the "Auxin" class?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

NAA is a synthetic plant hormone in the auxin family and is an ingredient in many commercial plant rooting horticultural products; it is a rooting agent and used for the vegetative propagation of plants from stem and leaf cutting. It is also used for plant tissue culture. [cite]

The hormone NAA does not occur naturally. In the United States, under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides.

 

[TheBioMaster]

NAA is a synthetic plant hormone in the auxin family and is an ingredient in many commercial plant rooting horticultural products; it is a rooting agent and used for the vegetative propagation of plants from stem and leaf cutting. It is also used for plant tissue culture. [cite]

The hormone NAA does not occur naturally. In the United States, under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides.

Yes, that is a correct and basic definition of the hormones.

Most of these "similar" products already being sold in Cali are way overkill compared to KLN from Dyna-Gro and two of them have massive alcohol concentrations, Dip 'N Grow ( EtOH 3.3-19 % & Isopropyl 2.0 - 12.7%) and Wood's (36.67% Isopropyl). Also concentrations of the hormones 100-1000 times the natural concentrations found in the plant.

Cali's state label regulations are a joke and they like to waste peoples time and money.....as is the USEPA which recently approved KLN for production and sale in Cali, they are now just finalizing the details to satisfy the state requirements.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Cali's state label regulations are a joke and they like to waste peoples time and money.....

It's going to get worse if the OT & CCOF merger is approved by the voting members in October.

ODA has decimated a number of product lines for non-compliance with Advanced Nutrients leading the pack with almost 40 products on the ODA Stop Sale List.

Botanicare (nee American Agritech nee Sun Light Mfg. nee National Garden Wholesale) is trying to catch up and I'm confident that they'll succeed.

CC

 

[TheBioMaster]

I really hate to agree with you but I am afraid you are dead right......

Some of these companies are HUGE offenders as you mentioned Advanced Nutrients being at the top of the list.....those guys have been so far out of control it is really mind numbing....and as much as I do not really favor the regulation boards I can not help but feel they are getting what they deserve for deceiving so many people out of thousands and thousands of dollars that they spend on AN's marketing hyped products......it is ironic however that there biggest claim is all the PHD's on staff and hard a work trying to improve the formula's.....ROFL!!

There is this huge wager going on now betting how much longer Advanced will even be in business.....and then the "bonus" bet is how long it will be before they rename the company to something else once everyone finds out just how much they are full of BS and nobody will touch there products and state regulations will stop it from even being sold.........

Then the "Grand Bonus" is if you can guess the new name they will use....

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Since Advanced Nutrients is registered in Brandenburg, Kentucky I would be looking for a 'new' product line out of the Midwest - complete with sock-puppets and YouTube videos.

Some things are eternal

 

[krunchbubble]

NAA
IBA

Is there a point your trying to make? Not sure what this means really. What about the hormones NAA and IBA which are in the "Auxin" class?

NAA is a synthetic plant hormone in the auxin family and is an ingredient in many commercial plant rooting horticultural products; it is a rooting agent and used for the vegetative propagation of plants from stem and leaf cutting. It is also used for plant tissue culture. [cite]

The hormone NAA does not occur naturally. In the United States, under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides.

Yes, that is a correct and basic definition of the hormones.

Most of these "similar" products already being sold in Cali are way overkill compared to KLN from Dyna-Gro and two of them have massive alcohol concentrations, Dip 'N Grow ( EtOH 3.3-19 % & Isopropyl 2.0 - 12.7%) and Wood's (36.67% Isopropyl). Also concentrations of the hormones 100-1000 times the natural concentrations found in the plant.

Cali's state label regulations are a joke and they like to waste peoples time and money.....as is the USEPA which recently approved KLN for production and sale in Cali, they are now just finalizing the details to satisfy the state requirements.

That IBA, they are tripping about in the hydro products, can be found in the rooting hormone, in the same concentrations, that I have been pushing from HOME DEPOT, that you can buy no problem....

Go figure....

 

[ClackamasCootz]

It is not the IBA - it's the NAA as it's also sold and used as a pesticide

 

[FreedomFightr]

Wow alot of good info. I have alot to learn. Thats interesting about this new "oversight board". And how AN will change there name, sounds like something a snake oil salesmen would do. lol.
Advanced should keep it real and change their name to Snake Oil.
I hope these "oversight boards wont effect anymore Dynagrow or Botanicare thats all I use.
Since you guys are well past my level whats your opinion on Dyna vs Botanicare? Or in general Botanicare? I go back forth between the two?

 

[Homebrewer]

Since you guys are well past my level whats your opinion on Dyna vs Botanicare? Or in general Botanicare? I go back forth between the two?

I used Botanicare's pureblend in promix for over 8 years. It worked well, it was reasonably priced, I had no complaints really. I switched away from GH to DG in hydro and decided to try DG in promix. For me, DynaGro was easier to use in promix than botanicare, the bottles lasted longer and I liked that I now didn't need 2 different nutrient brands for my two styles of growing.

IMO, you can't go wrong with either brand. I prefer DG these days but if didn't dabble in hydro, I'd probably still be using PureBlend.

 

[supermanlives]

superjive aka superthrive has naa in it. and on side of bottle it says non pesticide. go figure

 

[TheBioMaster]

superjive aka superthrive has naa in it. and on side of bottle it says non pesticide. go figure

I think if I understand correctly that is has to do with concentration levels that triggers the classification to a pesticide....

Some of these regulations cause some serious confusion that is for sure.....I remember years ago with a product called "Pure Flowers" that there was much mayhem and some still exist today about this product.....its labeled as a flower booster and technically it is a systemic pesticide.......this stuff IMO has been misused/mislabeled for decades.....

 

[FreedomFightr]

superjive aka superthrive has naa in it. and on side of bottle it says non pesticide. go figure

LOL I was gonna state that about Superthrive but couldnt remember the name. They have a radio talk show in my town on the weekends and one day they were talking about cloning and they were discussing that hormone. And it is widley used for cloning. They were saying alot of good things about superthrive.

Yeah I cant decide what Nute Company to stay with. I guess Im hydro I use Coco and black gold for a medium. The local Hydro shop always tried to talk down Dyna only because the markup aint what its like with AN. He always trying to sale me AN crap!
I really like Liquid Karma and Sweet from Botanicare, I think I will always use those 2 items.

So is Dyna more Hydro friendly than Botnicare?
I just feel like the Dyna base is more complete than Botanicare. Im not sure still learning. In your Opinion what will give you better results of the 2? I have a feeling that mostly its all the same shit it just come down to how you use it?

The one thing im lacking is really understanding each nute, what they do, how they react to reach other etc.

I got the basics down, and have lready surrpased my mentors in finished quality. But Iam never satisfied and Im always trying to gain a better understanding.

This site is were I started learing about Dyna.

 

[FreedomFightr]

LOL I know this is an old thread but knowledge is power. Anyways Dyna-Gro had to tweek the formula of KLN. They completely took out the B1. Not sure how much difference this will make?