Plummeting Marijuana Prices for Growers

[hush]

Lol. Robert Fortune, I agree with that statement!

I grow, so I'm good, but every now and then I like to buy a bag here and there, to keep my friends thinking I have to buy weed like the rest of them... And one thing that has been an increasing problem, over the last several years, is this flood of poorly grown, excess commercial "medical" bud from the med states coming into the market. The stuff is awful. Never flushed, premature flowers, barely (if at all) cured. Barely has any psychoactive effect. It's obvious, to me, that the med states are overrun with "growers" who have no business growing anything, and their product is being laughed out of their own local market, so they send it eastward. Then, dealers here buy that stuff instead of the real stuff, because it is priced to do just that.

I've had a talking to recently with both of the people I buy weed from, telling them my wife and I are going to quit smoking instead of having to buy the garbage they are selling to me all because they were saving themselves $50 on the ounce.

Surprisingly, that is working. Both of those dealers have gone back to buying the good stuff, and now there are 2 less people buying that awful fucking garbage weed that needs to stay in whatever awful fucking med state produced that shit.

Keep your shit weed where it came from, you assholes who are allowing that shit on the market in the first place...

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

If you are in Oahu, I doubt this is true. You have 1,360,301 that live full time in Hawaii. You have 10,000,000 visitors anually from the USA and another 5,000,000 from the rest of the world.
As you can see these numbers are massive, and lots of folk that travel to Hawaii want to have bud but do not want to fly with it. So they buy what they can get from whoever they can.

Yes I know that 81% of the islands are owned by 7 corperations and shit houses cost 1/4 million. My friends all have 100+ acre ranches. If you are poor and live in Hawaii I feel sorry for you.
It is not a place for the poor.
I have grown in the ground outdoors in Hawaii multible times, I know the score. I was there in the early 70's, and later...
Anyway all my friends that really know what is going on say the locals try and get local indoor or outdoor product, and the consumption numbers are about what you say 75% local 25% import. But tourist sales are 99% import and so the real question is what is the total consumption by tourists and locals? If you have no Cannabis dealings with tourists then you have no idea what they consume or how much.
BTW If you think you can't get imported herb into Hawaii by the container any more, you are wrong for sure...
All the best,
-SamS

Hey Sam.

Most of the product consumed here is grown here. I'd guess 80% grown here/20% import. And I include the BI as import too.

That wasn't always true. Hawaii lags a couple of years behind the mainland....in everything. Back before the "elete" clones made it here, and everything was grown from seed , Summers used to be rough. That was when we would be invaded with Dutch Treat from Alaska....of all places.

Beautiful weed. Looked, smelled, and tasted better than our outdoor, saved from last harvest. Only drawback is it didn't get you high. This would happen every summer....on every island.

Then things changed.

First of all the State brought some more dogs in. The one thing about inport is you have to bat 1000. One mistake and it's all over.

Second, MMJ became more accepted. Every year another hundred new cards were issued. Transplants from the mainland started as tourists, and never left. They brought their strains and knowledge with them.

While it is unbelievably easy to grow top shelf product here, setting yourself up to do that isn't.

The new law you site isn't going into effect until 2015. That'll be the next game changer.

Did you know that 81% of the island is owned by 7 entities?

The cheapest shitty house for sale here (with water) will set you back a quarter million. That shitty house is in the middle of a subdivision of equally shitty houses, each on a 6,000 sq ft lot.
Unless kept under lock and key, with a few dogs, those plants will disappear long before harvest.

If you rent, very few landlords are gonna' say "Sure, go right ahead. You feel free to tear up the backyard for your medicine".

So these newcommers do the same thing they did on the mainland, Get the card, open up a room or two, and put a couple outside for personal stash.

Now most of the indoor is grown here.

That doesn't mean a container or two doesn't show up. It does. After a week or two everyone has seen it, the message has gotten around and usualy nobody wants it. Then it has to go to the only people that don't know any better....Guess who?

The tourists.

Let's bring them into this. Much as I'd like to see them taken care of....and I'm serious. The're the ones that spread the word. Dealing with tourists is a good way to get caught. On the totem pole they are at the bottom. Overall, I doubt they consume more than 20% of the entire pie. No repeat business, soon they'll be gone, and a totaly new batch in town...so they get pissed on.
Kinda a bummer if you ask me.



Mr Fortune....Good luck with that.

 

[Neekz]

Next time you come to Hawaii tell me how many tourists you see blazing one up? Now drive down here to the "local" side and watch me light a blunt right in front of a squad car. Thing is its a part of hawaiis culture, so theres already a large positive bias towards herb. On oahu there is an endless demand for all qualities. Theres fools dropping $500 a zip for "cali" import, so of course theres gonna be a demand, they can ask more for the "name". Please do not try and understand the economy here without spending years here recently. The 70s were quite different in every way. Point oldhaoles trying to make is hawaiis got THE best weed economy for the grower in the long term. But aye, maybe one day theyll come here first hand and see lol.

 

[<~Hades~>]

 

[Pimpmasterdlx]

Hey hush, and fortune, I agree with you guys. Anytime one of my coworkers gets a bag of "colorado" its so fucking gross and smells like fucking cardboard. And they just love the cute little dispensary bags it comes in. its like colorado just rounds up all the beasters and ships it east. What a fucking joke. The best part is they think I drive 4 hours to get wifi,lol if they only knew.

 

[ColoradoOG]

Hey hush, and fortune, I agree with you guys. Anytime one of my coworkers gets a bag of "colorado" its so fucking gross and smells like fucking cardboard. And they just love the cute little dispensary bags it comes in. its like colorado just rounds up all the beasters and ships it east. What a fucking joke. The best part is they think I drive 4 hours to get wifi,lol if they only knew.

Dispensaries blow, ill give you that..Hope this doesn't get taken offensively but Colorado weed is a mixing pot..If your getting crap Colorado weed you don't know the right people Colorado has always had great weed..Its just that you really need to know the right people. Colorado and California are very very closely connected when it comes to the scene so all the "IT" strains are here..Its the circles that are difficult to find..If you don't know anyone, your 99% of the time going to get bunk weed. IMO I throw dispensary weed in the trash..isn't even worth my time to hash it

 

[LiquidWarlock]

Dispensaries blow, ill give you that..Hope this doesn't get taken offensively but Colorado weed is a mixing pot..If your getting crap Colorado weed you don't know the right people Colorado has always had great weed..Its just that you really need to know the right people. Colorado and California are very very closely connected when it comes to the scene so all the "IT" strains are here..Its the circles that are difficult to find..If you don't know anyone, your 99% of the time going to get bunk weed. IMO I throw dispensary weed in the trash..isn't even worth my time to hash it

lol, yeah most of that is pretty beasty, but thats about it.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I guess where we really diagree is the consumption by tourists, 15 millon a year.... And they have the money to buy the expensive lousey import. What % of the local herb is grown indoors under lights vs outdoors/greenhouse? Any reason you think Hawaiian indoor under lights is better then the rest of the worlds indoor under lights? I do not see any difference, under lights is under lights.
Anyway I love Hawaiian outdoor, did in the 70's and still love one of my Haze / Skunk#1 grown to full maturity outdoors long season or short. The rain fall can make outdoor harder to pull off Indica's get gray mold easy as well washing off resin, Its the smell and taste....
-SamS

Next time you come to Hawaii tell me how many tourists you see blazing one up? Now drive down here to the "local" side and watch me light a blunt right in front of a squad car. Thing is its a part of hawaiis culture, so theres already a large positive bias towards herb. On oahu there is an endless demand for all qualities. Theres fools dropping $500 a zip for "cali" import, so of course theres gonna be a demand, they can ask more for the "name". Please do not try and understand the economy here without spending years here recently. The 70s were quite different in every way. Point oldhaoles trying to make is hawaiis got THE best weed economy for the grower in the long term. But aye, maybe one day theyll come here first hand and see lol.

 

[minds_I]

...The rain fall can make outdoor harder to pull off Indica's get gray mold easy as well washing off resin......
-SamS

Hello all,

Huh?

Could you explain that to me please.

minds_I

 

[macdiesel]

Hello all,

Huh?

Could you explain that to me please.

minds_I

He thinks rain washes off the resin. lol

 

[Neekz]

I guess where we really diagree is the consumption by tourists, 15 millon a year.... And they have the money to buy the expensive lousey import. What % of the local herb is grown indoors under lights vs outdoors/greenhouse? Any reason you think Hawaiian indoor under lights is better then the rest of the worlds indoor under lights? I do not see any difference, under lights is under lights.
Anyway I love Hawaiian outdoor, did in the 70's and still love one of my Haze / Skunk#1 grown to full maturity outdoors long season or short. The rain fall can make outdoor harder to pull off Indica's get gray mold easy as well washing off resin, Its the smell and taste....
-SamS

Yes Sam, every tourist, all 15,000,000 coming to Hawaii are doing so to solely score pot at outrageous prices because it is "special". I would assume most of the primo pot in amsterdamn goes right to the tourists right (LOL)? All we are trying to say is there is a large local market for pot here, so much so that even connected local's sometimes pay $500 a zip. There is such a demand that the local grown simply cannot keep up, so there is a great deal of importation going on. Freights,Couriers,Delivery we get it from all angles, Cali, Alaska, Colombian, we still get stuff from everywhere here. We are the major hub for a great deal of things coming in from over-seas, so we end up with all the stuff that they can't get rid of at the end destination. I can guarantee you if you asked 10 people on the street right now in my city their view on marijuana that you will probably have all of them on your side. Now go down to waikiki and ask 10 tourists, you may find the 2 eager enough to get ripped off. You greatly over-estimate the amount of power tourists have in hawaii. Try and reason to me how the population of tourists, over 90% of which are confined to Waikiki, an area with the most law enforcment presence around period, consume more cannabis than the locals? I wonder who's selling it to them (LOL)? I can only assume Sam must have had some trouble out here with the "locals" running his mouth about things he knows not... Next thing you know he's gonna start preaching about Hawaiian Landraces, lol... If I think about it, your kind of right though, we are ALL tourists here (Besides the Haaaaa-waiian's! Chee-pono!), so yea that sounds about right...

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Any idea what % of the local Hawaiian grown is indoor under lights vs outdoor?

No, it is not that all millions of tourists are there to buy weed, but at least some want some weed so it is a lot. And maybe that is more or equal to the total that locals smoke smoke. Its not that I think tourists rule Hawaii, it is their numbers and $ period. $13.9 billion in visitor spending during 2012.
I have not had any more problems with Hawaiian locals then any other Haole.
Kama'aina, or malihini I find almost every one likes herb.

What do you call a Haole trying to talk pidgin?
Training Bra!

As for Hawaiian landrace's there were none 50 years ago...
They are not Hawaiian any more then California has landraces. They are all imports in the last 50 years.

-SamS

Yes Sam, every tourist, all 15,000,000 coming to Hawaii are doing so to solely score pot at outrageous prices because it is "special". I would assume most of the primo pot in amsterdamn goes right to the tourists right (LOL)? All we are trying to say is there is a large local market for pot here, so much so that even connected local's sometimes pay $500 a zip. There is such a demand that the local grown simply cannot keep up, so there is a great deal of importation going on. Freights,Couriers,Delivery we get it from all angles, Cali, Alaska, Colombian, we still get stuff from everywhere here. We are the major hub for a great deal of things coming in from over-seas, so we end up with all the stuff that they can't get rid of at the end destination. I can guarantee you if you asked 10 people on the street right now in my city their view on marijuana that you will probably have all of them on your side. Now go down to waikiki and ask 10 tourists, you may find the 2 eager enough to get ripped off. You greatly over-estimate the amount of power tourists have in hawaii. Try and reason to me how the population of tourists, over 90% of which are confined to Waikiki, an area with the most law enforcment presence around period, consume more cannabis than the locals? I wonder who's selling it to them (LOL)? I can only assume Sam must have had some trouble out here with the "locals" running his mouth about things he knows not... Next thing you know he's gonna start preaching about Hawaiian Landraces, lol... If I think about it, your kind of right though, we are ALL tourists here (Besides the Haaaaa-waiian's! Chee-pono!), so yea that sounds about right...

 

[oldhaole]

Hey Sam.

Since each island has a certain population that needs to be supplied by an island that is only so big. Each island is different.

Kauai...I have no idea. I have never seen a post from there.

Oahu....Neekz sounds like he is there. I'd guess there is no way that island can carry itself. Add the military and the tourists there are more than a million people on an island smaller land wise than Maui. Gotta be a lot of indoor grows there. And a lot of Import. A lot of the BI overflow. What do you think Neekz?

Maui...answered that. 80% outdoor 20% indoor.

Hawaii....tons of OD there. Almost all OD. Not too many indoor grows there.

And your right. There is no difference between indoor...here or there. Probably your indoor is better than ours.

I go shorecasting down to a point on the beach alot. A fancy hotel sits on the point. Once the poles are in the water, there's not much to do except smoke joints. Many tourists walk down, and catch the whiff. Most of the tourists walk on by, but some do ask to share. The full on tokers.... bring their own over. I smoke theirs.

They want to score, but if they don't....there still getting high. Most of these people have been here more than once. They know the chances of finding real good weed is remote.

Again I can only speak for Maui. In every lobby there is one or two workers that suppliment their income. You find him or her, they'll charge you up the ass. But they will sell you good outdoor product. Any complaint to management can lose them their job. All the slighted tourist has to say is so and so was rude.

Newbe's go to the beach park and buy peat moss, from some homeless dude. That happens a lot. Next time? they bring their own.

When a hundred people are happy, nobody complains. When one person gets hosed everyone back home hears how they were screwed over.

Let's play with some numbers. Today there are about 40,000 tourists on Maui. There are 120,000 residents here too, for a total of 160,000 occupants. One quarter are tourists. Three quarters are local. If both groups smoked the same amount you have your breakdown.

But 2 of 10 tourists smoke, while 3 (low estimate) of 10 locals burn. So my back of the envelope numbers break down to 20% tourists and 80% locals consuming all the product available. Now if every other tourist brought his of her own over...just in case... your final tally is 90% local consumption and 10% tourist.

Admitted I rounded some of the numbers off. If you go by the total number of people, all things being the same, your looking at 75/25 local over tourist.

As a haole, I'm officially banned from pidgin. You got that right. People just point and laugh.

And again you are right. Landraces have beenhere for less than 50 years. But as you know we have three growing seasons, while OD you guys only have one. Strains change faster here than there. More breeding seasons, more crosses, the faster the plant evolves.

 

[Neekz]

Your on the money OH! I think our ratio (Oahu) of O/I is the same as Maui, maybe 70/30, just probably on way smaller scales (There are plenty of commercial indoor op's here as well.). I am telling you, at any large work place here, 4 out of 10 people smoke at least 1 time a month, and that's in a "city" environment. The number may double in smaller towns which make up 90% of our particular island. A lot of the tourists who do smoke do not stay tourists long IME, they end up moving in. I also consider a majority of military local (Except the prick's, the mainland can have them ...). IME only local Guardsmen smoke, very few ballsy "floating" millitary. Kauai from what I have heard has a similar tone as other outer Isles, I know of a few other med guys there saying the same. We probably get all the overflow from every island as that is the closest to get it to, and I have heard some tall tales of cigarette boat style runs from BI and such. The mentality here, because we seldom get the quality of outer islands on outdoor, is that indoor is better, so it in turn is more expensive. A lot of the good outer island outdoor is passed as indoor or goes for indoor prices, much like the mainland (East coast prices for Oahu IMO, Maui and BI probably Cali prices, and Kauai same as Oahu.). Now IMO our outdoor is about a 50/50 split between the higher quality (Guys who are running clones/greenhouses/supplemental light....) and the lower (Uncle's running from bagseed, catching "seasons", guerilla grows, brick stuff...). I also think alot of the good outdoor is not put on the market IMO. We are nothing special I guess, just we got the Cali style, laid back on MJ attitude, with a market with potential like the East Coast. If you think it sounds like a walk in the park though, we are just trying to remind you that you will probably be dealing with a majority of locals if you would like to do something with it. If your dealing with tourist's, you probably won't last long IMO.

Hey Sam.

Since each island has a certain population that needs to be supplied by an island that is only so big. Each island is different.

Kauai...I have no idea. I have never seen a post from there.

Oahu....Neekz sounds like he is there. I'd guess there is no way that island can carry itself. Add the military and the tourists there are more than a million people on an island smaller land wise than Maui. Gotta be a lot of indoor grows there. And a lot of Import. A lot of the BI overflow. What do you think Neekz?

Maui...answered that. 80% outdoor 20% indoor.

Hawaii....tons of OD there. Almost all OD. Not too many indoor grows there.

And your right. There is no difference between indoor...here or there. Probably your indoor is better than ours.

I go shorecasting down to a point on the beach alot. A fancy hotel sits on the point. Once the poles are in the water, there's not much to do except smoke joints. Many tourists walk down, and catch the whiff. Most of the tourists walk on by, but some do ask to share. The full on tokers.... bring their own over. I smoke theirs.

They want to score, but if they don't....there still getting high. Most of these people have been here more than once. They know the chances of finding real good weed is remote.

Again I can only speak for Maui. In every lobby there is one or two workers that suppliment their income. You find him or her, they'll charge you up the ass. But they will sell you good outdoor product. Any complaint to management can lose them their job. All the slighted tourist has to say is so and so was rude.

Newbe's go to the beach park and buy peat moss, from some homeless dude. That happens a lot. Next time? they bring their own.

When a hundred people are happy, nobody complains. When one person gets hosed everyone back home hears how they were screwed over.

Let's play with some numbers. Today there are about 40,000 tourists on Maui. There are 120,000 residents here too, for a total of 160,000 occupants. One quarter are tourists. Three quarters are local. If both groups smoked the same amount you have your breakdown.

But 2 of 10 tourists smoke, while 3 (low estimate) of 10 locals burn. So my back of the envelope numbers break down to 20% tourists and 80% locals consuming all the product available. Now if every other tourist brought his of her own over...just in case... your final tally is 90% local consumption and 10% tourist.

Admitted I rounded some of the numbers off. If you go by the total number of people, all things being the same, your looking at 75/25 local over tourist.

As a haole, I'm officially banned from pidgin. You got that right. People just point and laugh.

And again you are right. Landraces have beenhere for less than 50 years. But as you know we have three growing seasons, while OD you guys only have one. Strains change faster here than there. More breeding seasons, more crosses, the faster the plant evolves.

 

[ubi]

i have heard some news that colorado is done givin out those precious outdoor greenhouse licenses, and there will be almost unlimited retail licenses in the future. so i foresee there to be a shortage on the way.not enough weed for all of the all those retail only shops
if there is limited amout of producers, especially good outdoor, it is sure to raise the price.
how many will travel to colorado just to smoke???
who knows.
just a guess.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

interesting...CO market is definately impacted this year with the crazy floods they had along with all the stuff happening in the retail side. luckily all those shops are required to keep their herb in state. i know that a homie back east has been getting good indoors from CO for 3-32 which is a pretty cheap ticket but still competitive with CA prices...if CO was flooding the east with top shelf indoors for 25 than we got problems lol.

 

[farmerlion]

Very interesting thread to read. Great job guy's I grow very small numbers compared to many growers I'm sure. I give mine away so price isn't an issue. Med growers shouldn't try to compete with prices. Myself it is overall quality is my growing goal. Organic Soil of coarse. PEACE !!!

 

[Guava]

Lol. Robert Fortune, I agree with that statement!

I grow, so I'm good, but every now and then I like to buy a bag here and there, to keep my friends thinking I have to buy weed like the rest of them... And one thing that has been an increasing problem, over the last several years, is this flood of poorly grown, excess commercial "medical" bud from the med states coming into the market. The stuff is awful. Never flushed, premature flowers, barely (if at all) cured. Barely has any psychoactive effect. It's obvious, to me, that the med states are overrun with "growers" who have no business growing anything, and their product is being laughed out of their own local market, so they send it eastward. Then, dealers here buy that stuff instead of the real stuff, because it is priced to do just that.

I've had a talking to recently with both of the people I buy weed from, telling them my wife and I are going to quit smoking instead of having to buy the garbage they are selling to me all because they were saving themselves $50 on the ounce.

Surprisingly, that is working. Both of those dealers have gone back to buying the good stuff, and now there are 2 less people buying that awful fucking garbage weed that needs to stay in whatever awful fucking med state produced that shit.

Keep your shit weed where it came from, you assholes who are allowing that shit on the market in the first place...

It appears to me that most of the product in dispensary's is tumbled,sifted, over trimmed before being sold. Very little resin on the stuff. However, you're still charged near top dollar and they sell the rest as concentrate. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[ubi]

yea there's alot of crappy dispensary's out there. and yes alot of undergrown, not cured or flushed flower for sale. ......................................

Thank you no regulation................

Standards in practices would prevent that....... i don t see that happening anytime soon....boooooooo.. too much quick money to be made.

Use ur best senses and spend ur money with HOPEFULLY the right dispensary..

 

[AlterEgo860]

put dispensaries out of business . boycott them completly and it will make the law work in our favor.. to be able to grow our own medicine.. to the quality WE SEE FIT.