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Caterpillars, harvest early or spray/pick and wait

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Canman

bt not good for humans known to cause mutations read up before you treat not organic synthetic man made crap from the guts cover plants at night with wedding veil
 

soil margin

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bt not good for humans known to cause mutations read up before you treat not organic synthetic man made crap from the guts cover plants at night with wedding veil

Sources?

I've read that BT is non-toxic to mammals at even relatively large doses.
 

hush

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Not sure where Canman got that info from, but it's incorrect. How exactly does man synthetically produce a living organism? Also, how exactly is a living organism NOT organic? I can't wait to hear this...
 
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Canman

check out Michael fields agricultural institute 90 days fed to rats liver damage kidneys etc found in the blood of humans and fetus high percentages it does hurt animals and will not be good for humans sorry I couldn't post the link but check it out
 

MelloYello

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I alternate BT , then Spinosad.

Start at first sign of flowering. Then spay religiously on the same day of each week.

So...spray, lets say Sunday the last week of July with Spinosad, then next Sunday with BT, then alternate each week until the last week of flower. Last year I manicured over 60 lbs and saw zero cats. Without spray I have seen up to 100 caterpillars on a single plant

I would not spray heavily into the buds, you will invite rot that way on some strains and or phenos.

If you let them get too big the BT and or Spinosad may be less effective. The ones you can see sitting on the leaves are hurting from the spray and are not feeding.
 

hush

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Canman, I don't know what specific study you had in mind, and it would help if you could point us to a more specific link, but I just checked out this Michael Fields website, and all the information I'm finding in any of the blog posts there have to do with GMOs, and the genetic insertion of Bt genes into living organisms. This has NOTHING to do with the conversation at hand. It's actually fairly irresponsible of people to point out GMO studies within the context of traditional application of Bt to agricultural crops.

A quick quote I grabbed from that website is "the concentration of Bt in GMOs is typically 1000 times higher" than the recommended dose for pesticidal applications. So, if you are talking about GMOs, then this would *partially* explain why those are dangerous and toxic. But, as most of us know by now, there are MANY more reasons than that. GMOs are evil, yes.

Let's not talk about GMOs here. We are talking about Bt applications to plants, not blasting Bt gene fragments into cell walls.
 

Granger2

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Apples and [GMO] oranges. The BT bacterium doesn't live long when sprayed on plants. Caterpillars eat the live bacteria and it produces a stomach toxin that makes them stop feeding, then die. By the time the produce reaches humans the BT is dead. It washes off very easily. Even if a small percentage of bacteria were to reach the human stomach live, they cannot survive in our acid stomachs. No toxin.

GMO crops produce the BT toxin in every cell in mass quantities. When you eat most potatoes and other things you're getting a large dose of the toxin. Evil bastards. Good luck. -granger
 

macatk

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For next season, I have heard that if you grow some Basil/Albacha near your ladies the moths which lay the caterpillar eggs are attracted to them and this can help divert some of bug problem.
 

Britt41

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Hi friends. I have once again searched high and low on the net and forums for info on moths and butterfly's as I found a tiny catapillar on my plant. On closer inspection I noticed a few leaves have been eaten and are now perforated with little holes. Friends what I need to know is; after removing the caterpillars do I remove the leaves that have either pooh trail, holes and leaves with little yellow spots on. I can I.d. The pooh trail and the caterpillars but what are the little yellow spots, are they the eggs? Please can somebody help and advise me about the effected leaves. Do I remove the leaves? Thanks friends.
 

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