Need info on General Organics in Coco

[inreplyavalon]

Mister D, thanks for the suggestions and knowledge.

I am currently using PBP and have used it on and off for years. I like it, just don't consider it completely organic and was considering trying to go with something that i could label the end product organic, and not feel like i was being dishonest. I believe they use chemicals to extract with, hence the term "Derived from" before the list of ingredients. I do like that there is no EDTA and other such synthetics in it though. I also run the flora series often, and PBP looks and smells a lot more organic relative to the pink kool aid!
So i think i'll probably stick with the PBP and be part organic! Cheers bro i appreciate you taking the time to share after i tracked you down and hounded you!

 

[Mister_D]

Cheers bro i appreciate you taking the time to share after i tracked you down and hounded you!

No problem, i'm around to help where I can . Even if you have to hunt me down . I love the flora series for simple reliability, but i'm also using PBP bloom for the last 40% of flower to get some of that semi-organic flavor . Biobizz nutes have produced the best quality for me, but they won't last in a res without RDWC oxygen levels and preferably EM-1 added also.

 

[Snow Crash]

I concur with the observation on how long the GO lasts in a reservoir. I think 48 hours is as long as I would take it. I had it going for 60 hours once and it smell absolutely horrible when I got home from work. There was a time when I brewed the stuff. Now I mix it and give about a half hour with an air stone then use every drop.

No pH testing and no runoff have been a blessing in disguise. I spend like 5 minutes every 2-3 days watering now when I used to spend an hour every day dealing with nutrient solution and runoff management. Such a huge difference.

I'm about 49 days from 12/12 and will post some pictures in a bit when I get them off my phone.

 

[Zojomeds]

GO in COCo Works Great KISS Style

GO in COCo Works Great KISS Style

OP -
I use a very similar set up. I live in Canada and help medical patients grow good meds when they dont want to devote thier lives to growing. Essentially, we need to get good medicine and good yeilds on no more than a few hours per week and with as little science as possible.

I find GO to be amazing. We run the whole line - though patients growing in/near living areas tend to omit the BioMarine. We use a bit more cal/mag than you're running + black strap because we were finding deficiencies in early/mid flower and cut the Epsom. We also add BioBoost from Canna and Hygrozyme.

We bubble decent tap water for a few hours to de-chlorinate. Then add mollasses and a stocking with EWC and sometimes guanos. Once this has brewed for 8-12 hours we add the GO ingredients for about 4-8. I find if we let them run too long they get funky. They definitely dont brew the same as "from scratch" organics.

Whole thing gets fed into 20L Soma style coco beds.

Results have been great, though this is not the best yielding organic system i've used. For the purposes, its perfect.

 

[bradybunch]

Although you've stated your not a KISS grower would you recommend GO's bioroot/calmag/grow for veg and biobud/calmag/bloom for bloom?

Im trying to keep it simple and I was recommended this organic line and nutes at:
5, 10, 15ml's respectively for both veg/bloom

I really like not having to PH with organics.

Also, I was told I could use evaporated water after adding 3ml's p gl of h2o2 before adding nutes.

 

[Granger2]

> Also, I was told I could use evaporated
> water after adding 3ml's p gl of h2o2
> before adding nutes.

BB,
Me no savvy. What's evaporated water? Also, if you use H2O2 you'll kill your microherd buddies. Good luck. -granger

 

[bradybunch]

BB,
Me no savvy. What's evaporated water? Also, if you use H2O2 you'll kill your microherd buddies. Good luck. -granger

Evaporated water comes from the dehuey and A/C units. I have the drain lines going into a container.

You still think 3ml per gl of h2o2 will kill micros?

Thanks!

 

[Granger2]

Yes, maybe not all, but why kill any of your allies? It may kill all, don't know. What's the purpose of the peroxide? -granger

 

[bradybunch]

Yes, maybe not all, but why kill any of your allies? It may kill all, don't know. What's the purpose of the peroxide? -granger

granger, you have a point, but this is my first rodeo and it made sense when the manager at a local store I go to told me that the water that is pulled from the room could have particles from the atmosphere.

I feed compost tea every other feed, so I maintain the microbes in medium...

 

[inreplyavalon]

The compost tea will take care of any "particles from the room", if they need taking care of, which i doubt. I have used water from AC's and Dehui's for a while and many others have as well.

H2O2 and compost tea are two conflicting ways to deal with the same thing. Healthy Roots.

 

[Granger2]

Grow store clerks can be a good source of info, or bad. The water being "pulled" from the room should have virtually nothing in it since it is a product of condensation. You're adding herd with the GO and teas, then promptly killing them. Good luck. -granger

 

[habeeb]

snow,

I would look into an easier system, organics and complication seems to contradict each other..

start playing with dolomite / gypsum / oyster shell mixed in the media to lessen products. I'm using it with good success right now ( lime ) and only suspect other additives would be fine.. I say this as you will need a Ca product, as organics have nil Ca/Mg in there bottles..

I'm just not a fan of GH after their bushload... so I would have to recommend looking into a very easy system. one bottle, one additive .. along the likes of AN iguana or mother earth, with an additive being something like nirvana / liquid karma / bio heaven.

pinches of epsom and your fine..




just throwing that out there

 

[bradybunch]

The compost tea will take care of any "particles from the room", if they need taking care of, which i doubt. I have used water from AC's and Dehui's for a while and many others have as well.

H2O2 and compost tea are two conflicting ways to deal with the same thing. Healthy Roots.

Ok, you have a great point, I thought I had to clean the water since it smells a little off. I soil drench with GoGnats every feeding, so I thought it would condensate and dirty the water from the a/c's

Grow store clerks can be a good source of info, or bad. The water being "pulled" from the room should have virtually nothing in it since it is a product of condensation. You're adding herd with the GO and teas, then promptly killing them. Good luck. -granger

I've been a victim to lend an ear to every clerks advice. There's so much information that it frustrates me.

I will reconsider using h2o2 again...

 

[Granger2]

Yeah, the peroxide kills the BTi in the GoGnats also. What you could do is to add peroxide first, then bubble for 24 hours. I'm pretty sure the peroxide will degrade into water and oxygen in that time. You could research that.

Once, I put peroxide in one of the buckets of water on the patio for the dogs. I was trying to see if it had an effect on the algae. Petey took a lap and reacted unfavorably, then went to the untreated bucket and took a long drink. The next day he drank it no problem. By then, the bucket was lined with O2 bubbles. Good luck. -granger

 

[Trend]

Depends what you are after. For me it was more diverse taste and smell and less tip burn salt build up. The GO doesn't keep up with salts in growth rate. How I used it is 6/9 no run off at lights on, followed by GO feeding at night with run off the "flush" salts if you will. This is on plants that dried no problem twice a day. Worked perfect with zero loss in yield. Also never ph'd it. It got expensive and at the end of the day it wasn't worth the cost on a lot of strains so we dropped it.

 

[Johnny Hash]

Thank you guys so much for the information that was on this thread. I've always grown in coco, learned with it.. and had decent success using the GH flora 6/9 (h3ad's) lucas formula the past few grows.... with some liquid organic bloom boosters instead of GH bloom at the end, for "slightly" improved flavor. What I think I'm going to be doing this next grow is using only the GO line. I'm done with synthetics for right now. I grow for personal, medical use. I want quality, and good flavor and aroma. I'll also be using Gro-Kashi and some Veganic Special Sauce. I'm gonna have to dial in my nute profile a little though... 'ought to be fun runnin some gage grape puff...

 

[hopefullinn.y.]

would just the 5ml grow and 5ml bloom work with promix bh?

 

[Snow Crash]

would just the 5ml grow and 5ml bloom work with promix bh?

I am not familiar with Pro-Mix BH. I've heard of the BX version, is that what you mean? or HP?

Regardless, as a stand alone mix I don't think this will cut it. You should amend your Pro-Mix with a variety organic composts, like the GO Alaskan Forest Humus, to provide some of the slow release organic nutrition to your media. Otherwise you'll need to run the GO line at full recommended strength, between 10 and 20ml per gallon.