British Scientists Claim to Have Found Proof of Alien Life

[siftedunity]

The "God created everything" argument is always gonna be valid no matter how much you know about the universe.

Why? Because the thing is, you can't create something out of nothing.

Scientist believe dark matter created the universe.
If dark matter created the universe, who/what created dark matter?

There is no such thing as "it's always been there" because you can't create something out of nothing, someone has to design it and give it a purpose.

You can't just go from having a blank piece of paper to magically having a drawing.

It's a never ending question.

well maybe the human brain finds that hard to comprehend, doesn't mean that its not possible.

if god was the one who created existence, that would mean that he/she/it also would have either appeared from nothing or been created.

im pretty sure Einstein said anything was possible. (don't quote me on it)

 

[amannamedtruth]

Aliens and telepathy, you say?

 

[D-RingBinder]

The "God created everything" argument is always gonna be valid no matter how much you know about the universe.

Why? Because the thing is, you can't create something out of nothing.

Scientist believe dark matter created the universe.
If dark matter created the universe, who/what created dark matter?

There is no such thing as "it's always been there" because you can't create something out of nothing, someone has to design it and give it a purpose.

You can't just go from having a blank piece of paper to magically having a drawing.

It's a never ending question.

For one, "scientists" don't think dark matter created the universe.

Secondly, if "you can't create something out of nothing", where did God come from? Think about it...I mean, how complex is the universe... Pretty complex, to say the very least. Now imagine how complex something would have to be to create something like the universe. So for something as complex as God to be "created" out of nothing is even less probable than a mere universe...

You're trying to point out a flaw in the argument, when your argument has the exact same flaw...and then some. Can you honestly not see that? And if you can, how can you honestly discount one completely because of it, and yet embrace the other so fully? I really don't know what kind of mental gymnastics you'd have to perform to come to that conclusion. It baffles me.

 

[amannamedtruth]

Seems to me that God is merely a projection of ego. That was easy. Is this on topic?

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Seems to me that God is merely a projection of ego. That was easy. Is this on topic?

Well I didn't start this thread, but I think the original topic has had it's final word. And unless anyone wants to address this profound post, it probably doesn't matter if the thread goes the way of anything with "Alien Life" in the title.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Journal_of_Cosmology[FONT=&quot]Always look for a simple answer first and work up from there. We fly through many debris patches in space and get predictable showers.... It isn't beyond simple reason to explain this material as having been emplaced into our planets orbit during large impact events. A large impact event can blow off the earths atmosphere tangentally to the surface, exposing the impact site and plume to the vacuum of space and venting material far out, it is thought that some of this material can get half way to the moon before raining back in. We know this to be true as the concentration of impact transformed mineral grains from the k/t event, was high in samples in Australia on the other side of the planet, ejected out and reentering on the other side of our tilted planet. So we know ejecta makes it into space from this and also meterorites from Mars, etc so what is more likely? A patch of extraterrestrial debris that we fly through regularly containing a common terrestrial organism or a patch of debris left by one of many large impacts?[/FONT]

 

[floralheart]

Stop repeating and listen.

Do you feel it?

 

[Him]

Some pretty backward views here..

"Theoretical physicist Michio Kaku says aliens are a sure thing: "How many stars are there out in the universe?" he asks, calculating the answer as "10 sextillion — that's one with 22 zeroes after it." More stars equal more planets equal more possibilities for extra-terrestrial life. "There definitely are aliens in outer space — they're out there."

Our sun is one of the 10 sextillion, yet people think out of all the stars(suns), only our planet has managed to utilise that energy to foster life..This seems far more unlikely..The difficulty is getting people to admit that there long held programmed beliefs maybe wrong. Some are nothing more than confirmists, with the only research looking to back up what they already know. And why would alien life disprove God? Is it not possible if there were a God he may of gone further to create more than one planet with life on it? Did the vatican not come out and confirm that proof of alien life does not disprove God?..And if there were a God who created the complexities of the universe, how can we hope to comprehend any of this with the human mind which is full of ego...Look to the kind of drivel the masses see as entertainment...big brother, x factor..and these are the kind of people you expect to comprehend the magnificence and infinity of the universe..Try to even comprehend infinity..

Remember there is a difference between belief and ignorance. Science would have you believe we have all the answers, yet knows very little when it comes to the big questions. It's all just theories, yet we give one more credence than the other, when, in truth, we know fuck all....But when something comes out that may shed some light either way people come out with there ego driven ignorance.. off rant)

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Science would have you believe we have all the answers, ...

Actually, that would be human arrogance. Good science is always questioning, trying to find errors in data and assumptions. That's how it progresses. In good science, all knowledge is provisional.

 

[Him]

I agree, good science should be ever questioning and your right, science lays it out and we then have it reported to us via various media, who, mostly, would have us believe that science has all the answers, I stand corrected

 

[siftedunity]

wouldn't take too much notice of popular media.

 

[Snow Crash]

I have always felt this is the primary reason for the different kingdoms. Eukaryotes versus Prokaryotes. Its my opinion that Fungi are, most certainly, alien, and that perhaps human life a bi-product of this sort of infection. Beyond that I have also always felt that the Oort cloud is the source of the variety of new viruses that appear throughout history. Most notable for me, HIV/AIDS. They arrive as one form and are highly mutative to improve their survivability in a new environment.

 

[GMT]

Crusader Rabbit is right when he says the interesting thing will be when they check the dna. So far, every living thing ever found on earth, is a descendant of the one event when life came into being on our planet. Only once in all this time. It's really not a common place event, even in so called goldilock's zones. Life is certainly not raining down on us from numerous sources unless all life to reach us at differing points in time, from differing sources, was all related.
And to the nutters still clinging onto their worship of someone else's genocidal invisible rapist friend in the sky, to equate ignorant superstition with scientific correlations is just another demonstration of your symptoms. I'm sorry but there is no cure for stupidity.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

So if this stuff that was sampled is part of a debris cloud from an impact event, which the presence of diatoms would suggest ... and there was a way for a space probe to recover larger mineral samples from that debris cloud ... it might be possible to use radiometric dating, or cosmogenic exposure dating to determine the time of this impact event.

"radiometric" is the dating of rocks by measuring the amount of radioactive decay within that has taken place since the rock was formed.

"cosmogenic" is the dating of a rock or meteorite by measuring how many atoms within a mineral grain have been altered from being smacked by cosmic rays. Tells how long it has been exposed on the surface of Earth or to open space.

How cool would that be?

edit; Guess it would be easier if paleontologists could match the diatoms to a specific time period. But that still would be way cool!

 

[bobblehead]

Crusader Rabbit is right when he says the interesting thing will be when they check the dna. So far, every living thing ever found on earth, is a descendant of the one event when life came into being on our planet. Only once in all this time. It's really not a common place event, even in so called goldilock's zones. Life is certainly not raining down on us from numerous sources unless all life to reach us at differing points in time, from differing sources, was all related.
And to the nutters still clinging onto their worship of someone else's genocidal invisible rapist friend in the sky, to equate ignorant superstition with scientific correlations is just another demonstration of your symptoms. I'm sorry but there is no cure for stupidity.

I liked my fantasy better... Thanks for keeping it real.

Are you suggesting that the people who believed the world was flat and disease was caused by miasms and evil spirits got other things wrong as well? FML...

 

[Leptosoma]

hmmm

This makes sense to me, Terrence Mckenna use to mentioned this many many times in his books/speeches. So far we don't have a good theory explaining what life is and how it's started, so far we only had a theory it could emerge in water billions years ago and this what's was pumped to out heads at school as a fact... This might only explain how life appeared here but doesn't explain what it is and where are it's origins, i like to beleive that comets are some kind spores transporters cruising across the spare and preading life in universe, i hope there is some inteligence behind all this... When you look closer what dna actually is and how it react to environment is very hard to believe it can be made accidentaly by mixing something with something else under any conditions...maybe Farnkenstein but something we know as life hehe

peace

 

[GMT]

I liked my fantasy better... Thanks for keeping it real.

Are you suggesting that the people who believed the world was flat and disease was caused by miasms and evil spirits got other things wrong as well? FML...

No one ever thought the world was flat. That idea was a line in a hollywood movie once, and lots of people assumed it was true. But even the earliest recorded writings on the matter made reference to the heavenly spheres and included our world as one of these celestial bodies. Terry Pratchet also made some cash off the notion


Actually, when you understand what dna is, It's very easy to see it happening naturally without a supernatural hand playing a role. It's harder to see how, that without physical presence, or actually any form of reality, could affect a physical world at all.

 

[bobblehead]

you're blowing my mind GMT...



The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.[1] The idea seems to have been widespread during the first half of the 20th century, so that the Members of the Historical Association in 1945 stated that:

The idea that educated men at the time of Columbus believed that the earth was flat, and that this belief was one of the obstacles to be overcome by Columbus before he could get his project sanctioned, remains one of the hardiest errors in teaching.[2]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth




I remember my school teachers telling us that people used to believe the world was flat when Columbus sailed the oceans. First the easter bunny, then Santa.. Now Jesus and everything else I was taught as a kid.

 

[GMT]

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[Him]

In the beginning there was nothing, until the nothing became aware of itself, then the conscious entity called God came into creation. Exploring its consciousness which the ancients prescribe the flower of life to..he gave life to entities such as humans and gave then free will so that in exploring and evolving themselves they would contribute towards the ever evolving consciousness of the one source..Space is expanding out into infinity..cutting through the nothingness. The big bang if you like was an explosion of consciousness.

Everything is made up of atoms which are in turn composed of protons, electrons and neutrons. Yet atoms are 99.9999 empty space. All the weight of an atom is concentrated in a mind-numbingly tiny object at its centre. It's a trillionth of a centimetre across and is called the nucleus. So we are all made up of this empty space which I believe is the conscious projection of the one source, God...exploring itself. In the beginning was the word and was god..Or some shit like that

 

[bombadil.360]

No one ever thought the world was flat. That idea was a line in a hollywood movie once, and lots of people assumed it was true. But even the earliest recorded writings on the matter made reference to the heavenly spheres and included our world as one of these celestial bodies. Terry Pratchet also made some cash off the notion


Actually, when you understand what dna is, It's very easy to see it happening naturally without a supernatural hand playing a role. It's harder to see how, that without physical presence, or actually any form of reality, could affect a physical world at all.

Flat Earth Society:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php

many ancient civilizations indeed knew the earth was spherical, plus knew other things through their astronomical data.

however, the flat earth concept was indeed preached in many ancient civilizations as well, including Greece:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

peace