Should Machine Rooted Clones be Dipped?

[K.O.Genetics]

water temp and ph and having an airstone will help get roots super fast.. plus what people dont understand is.. u can feed ur plants that ur cloning.. a specific way.. and they will root faster wen cut.. so.. its not about how u cut it .. or if u cut it at 45degree angle.. or if u score it.. nope... shit.. ive taken clones just by pulling the branch off carefully.. and putting into cloner.. or rapid rooters or jiffy pellets.. it dont matter whatcha do.. a healthy plant will try to root either way.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Actually.....LOL.... I dont clean my cloner very well at all.
I just put the misters in a med vial with water and dish soap. Shake it real good and let them sit in there till next run.
I just rinse out the rez and top in the shower. I wipe it down real good and that it. I dont even run clean water thru my pump. LOL
I get 99% within 7 days. I let them go another 2-3 days because I like long roots for a quicker vegg time before thr flip.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

The funny thing is though that your roots seem to get like that from your scoring and not above the score. That's my only problem but other than that your roots are the 2nd best that i've personally seen and that's a great thing!

I do this on purpose. I only want 1/4 inch of the stem to get roots. I only dip up to the score line.
This has worked for me very well. Ive noticed that the more root sites a stem has, the more energy it needs to create those roots. I would rather have less root sites with longer roots, than more rootsites with shorter roots. I only give my clones 7 days of veg before the flip so I need those roots to be long and deep.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

If Im gonna veg the clones for along time, then I score and dip a 1/2" up the stem and get massive rootsites like you do.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Ill be taking cuts in 2 weeks so Ill try your method then and journal the results.

 

[SooperSmurph]

I spend the evening playing Supreme Heroes and look what happens to the thread

Loving all the data sharing and discussion!!!!!

Have to head to the warehouse but i'll chime in more later.

 

[K.O.Genetics]

thats crazy OvergrowDaWorld.. everyone i know who uses those ez cloners.. needs to run bleach hot water run threw the ntire system before putting new clones in . any bacteria that grows in there can kill off ur entire batch no problem.. just trying to letcha know ... it can cause some real issues if ur not cleaning that thing properly.. maybe not now.. but later down the road.. i bet it happens.. the cleaner the cloner the better root system ive seen them make.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Actually.....LOL.... I dont clean my cloner very well at all.
I just put the misters in a med vial with water and dish soap. Shake it real good and let them sit in there till next run.
I just rinse out the rez and top in the shower. I wipe it down real good and that it. I dont even run clean water thru my pump. LOL
I get 99% within 7 days. I let them go another 2-3 days because I like long roots for a quicker vegg time before thr flip.

When I first started using an aerocloner I could keep the thing running perpetually if I wanted to ... topping it off and adding new cuts as I pulled those that were rooted. But once the pathogens took hold it was all downhill from there.

People who tell stories of always being successful don't impress me that much. Someone having a real problem and solving it ... well that's something to pay close attention to.

 

[vapedg13]

if you run a small amount of chlorine in your water.... youll never have any dirty pathogen problems...doesn't effect plants

also keep your temps in the low to mid 70s..... 80s and above will create the environment for shit hense chlorine

..............That is correct.... The SAME EXACT ingredient as EZ Clone Clear Rez that sells for $20 a QT................

Get your self a 1 lb bag of HTH Pool shock non PH buffered available online and most hardware stores (bought mine from Ace).

Mix 1 GRAM (450 in the bag) per gallon of water. Will make the SAME EXACT concentration of the SAME EXACT product.

$4 will make you 450 gallons of the stuff and will treat over 286,000 gallons of water !!

Should last you a little while ... Can you say markup ??

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

if you run a small amount of chlorine in your water.... youll never have any dirty pathogen problems...

I suggest that this would be better stated;

I run a small amount of chlorine in my water ... I've never had any dirty pathogen problems since I started doing this. If you haven't given this a try I suggest that you give it a go.

Chlorine bleach and poolshock hasn't solved my mushy stem problems. If you read Snype's cloning threads you'll find that chlorine hasn't solved his cloner slime problems either.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Yep, Snype's final answer to Cyanobacteria is an anti-biotic used in aquaculture, which is specifically targetted, for the record, it does work, but I don't find it nessicary when I clean my machine with food grade hydrogen peroxide (35% concentration available at any grow store, Mad Farmer brand, I mix a 1% solution and fill the entire reservoir including pump / manifold, and turn it on) for 24 hours, none of the pathogens in my region can survive, so each new batch starts clean.

 

[vapedg13]

if you have slime... more than likely your rez got too hot at some point which created the conditions and temps needed for the pathogens

im rooting clones at 68-69*F... using the same water for 2-3 months now.... just adding more water when needed and chlorine


If your system is contaminated ...try filling your machine/cloner with water.. add a cup of bleach... run your machine for a hour or so then rinse... refill with water and run for a few min ....empty it and you should be good

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

If your system is contaminated ...try filling your machine/cloner with water.. add a cup of bleach... run your machine for a hour or so then rinse... refill with water and run for a few min ....empty it and you should be good

Been there, done that. No I don't have slime.

Krunchbubble said that once a cloner becomes a killing machine you need to dismantle the manifold and scrub it out with a bottle brush.

In another thread someone recommended that in a home-made aerocloner the pvc pipe and fittings for the manifold should be press fitted together instead of glued. This way it can be dismantled for cleaning.

In my situation I've also been dealing with a botrytis type infection that takes out rooted plants. So maybe my room is contaminated? With the last cloner genocide event I noticed that the death sequence began with cuttings from some more mature plants that might have been already compromised. So maybe the infection is beginning before cuttings are taken?

It's a puzzle that I don't expect to be solved for me on the internet. I do need to try the concentrated hydrogen peroxide. I will also try running a more concentrated solution of another oxidizer that I have, Oxidate. I also need to try a different water supply.

I had a bit of success switching over to cups of perlite which helps avoid cross contamination. Then I built two new cloners from scratch and had a near 100% run with the first one. Unfortunately they were all culled because the whole room came down with (botrytis?), which I believe resulted from my air supply pulling through a freakin compost heap of fallen leaves from ornamental shrubbery. That spore laden mulch pile is gone now.

My room received a thourough cleaning and wipe down with Oxidate and Physan 20. Ran this stuff through all the pumps, plumbing and reservoirs between runs in addition to a good scrubbing. I tried meticulous sterile technique. Placed cuttings immediately into a bleach solution. I ran bleach, and Physan 20 to disinfect the cloners. Used cloner bathwater with liquid chlorine, pool shock, Physan 20, earthworm casting tea (what a god awful mess), beneficial bacteria in a bottle, copper sulphate, Actinovate, aquarium UV sterilizer, and cuts dipped in Great White trichoderma spores. Water was a constant 75 degrees F. It just got worse and worse.


I think I'll pop some seeds from plants that I didn't especially enjoy smoking, and then grow some mothers just for obtaining cuttings to experiment on with no worries about getting a harvest out of the deal. Hopefully I can also set up something in another building to address the possibility of room contamination.


Damn. What am I doing sitting here in a chair when I have work to do?

 

[Snype]

if you have slime... more than likely your rez got too hot at some point which created the conditions and temps needed for the pathogens

im rooting clones at 68-69*F... using the same water for 2-3 months now.... just adding more water when needed and chlorine


If your system is contaminated ...try filling your machine/cloner with water.. add a cup of bleach... run your machine for a hour or so then rinse... refill with water and run for a few min ....empty it and you should be good

When I lived in the city for 10 years, my tap water was 2 ppm Chlorine. I didn't have to wash my cloner for years and had perfect success. When I moved to a different city with no chlorine in the tap, I couldn't get clones to root in the cloner. Even when I dumped a whole bottle of bleach in the cloner and cleaned out the whole thing and replaced all the neoprene, air stones and tubing, I still couldn't get anything to root. What I had was a Chlorine Resistant Cyanobacteria. That means that the strain of Cyanobacteria that I had was resistant to Chlorine. It didn't matter how much Chlorine that I added. It didn't matter how cool the room was. I also tried 29% H202 and that didn't work either. The only thing that worked for me was Erythromycin. Once I gave my Erythromycin treatment, I got the healthiest roots that I've ever seen in my cloner. Never looked back after that!

 

[SooperSmurph]

And strangely enough, i've never said that Erythromycin doesn't kill cyanobacteria, the only question i've ever had about Erythromycin was how Snype reconciles its use against his bottom sig line

I said that I stopped having problems with Cyanos once I switched from bleach to peroxide, your mileage may vary, I advise people to use what works for them in their region, things that work for me here in Colorado may be death sentences in places with different climates and atmospheric conditions.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

And strangely enough, i've never said that Erythromycin doesn't kill cyanobacteria, the only question i've ever had about Erythromycin was how Snype reconciles its use against his bottom sig line

I said that I stopped having problems with Cyanos once I switched from bleach to peroxide, your mileage may vary, I advise people to use what works for them in their region, things that work for me here in Colorado may be death sentences in places with different climates and atmospheric conditions.

As Freezer Boy used to say in these situations, "Cloning is voodoo."

Snype uses erythromycin to disinfect the cloner, which is then washed thoroughly. Cuttings themselves are never exposed to the antibiotic.

 

[Snype]

And strangely enough, i've never said that Erythromycin doesn't kill cyanobacteria, the only question i've ever had about Erythromycin was how Snype reconciles its use against his bottom sig line

I said that I stopped having problems with Cyanos once I switched from bleach to peroxide, your mileage may vary, I advise people to use what works for them in their region, things that work for me here in Colorado may be death sentences in places with different climates and atmospheric conditions.

So now you want to start again. I wasn't talking to you but you want to respond to me. If you read my Cyanobacteria Thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=267488

It clearly states:
"Although I did my testing with clones in the cloner, it was just to see what the results were. I was amazed that the clones made it but I took all the clones and put them into the trash. I do not advise anyone to use Erythromycin on plants. It is up to us to make sure that our patients smoke quality products that contain no harmful products."

My procedure of Erythromycin use is to clean out the cloner with it. Not to use it with plants.

The funny thing so far is that you thought that you had to score your plants to get the roots that we get and you kept fighting me until I showed my last pictures and then you went silent about it and said you were playing video games instead. Now why do my roots look better than yours and I don't use powders, gels or scraping? Maybe you finally see the truth behind it, maybe you don't. All that matters is that the viewer has the information to make an informed decision.

 

[SooperSmurph]

But this isn't a clone scoring / scraping side by side, it's a clone dipping side by side.

Why not make a scraping / scoring / natural side by side thread? "Do clones truly need to be scraped or scored?"

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

What I'm curious about is how important is it to have a node at the end of the cut stem? People say that it matters but I've seen little evidence. Might be a difference between hollow and solid cored stems with this also. If I ever get my cloners to birth new plants instead of killing them I'll give a comparison run a try.

 

[SooperSmurph]

^Another great idea for a clone side by side.

So on the docket we have:

"Should machine rooted clones be scraped or scored?"

"Should clones be cut with a node at the bottom of the stem?"

Any other ideas?

Give me a month to train some monkeys to ease my workload and i'll probably be able to do them myself