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plant's are looking well in the pics snype,keep up the good work
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Farm Life With Snype!
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I have to place some old information in here so I don't lose it. I'm not sure what it all means right now but it will help me with further testing.
December 15, 2011
I'm stoned out of mind off of the Chem so I figured I'd share some information. I use chlorine as a preventative measure but know that a lot of people use hydrogen peroxide so I wanted to try it out because it was interesting to me that it also adds Dissolved Oxygen to the solution. I have 2 Dissolved Oxygen meters and one of them was close to 3k so I figured I'd do some testing to see what was up. Fucked up thing though is that I tested it out on my crop that i was running cause I didn't think that anything could go wrong because someone gave me the dosage information to use so I did. Long story short, the whole crop died within days but I could see the sign that things were wrong within 30 minute think that's all the experience that I needed to not run it again and stick to my bleach. It's obvious that I used too much or it was too much in a dwc system. I've been meaning to do a bunch of tests to get to the bottom of this just to know. There are a lot of tests first that lead up to the main test so I will post this one first.
My hypothesis is that because 29% H2O2 is corrosive, I believe that it may slightly damage roots and make them more prone to pithium or root rot. We know that pithium is in water but does not attack if things are healthy but once stress is caused, pithium takes hold. In DWC this is very common because there are so many ways to cause stress when your roots are constantly submerged in water. When you don't have enough oxygen in your solution, it is a common stress that can lead to pithium very quickly. That's why my air pumps are so big and also why I tested bleach and use it every 5-7 days. Let's get back to the test though. This first test was to look at the differences of 4 gallons of water at the same temperature for 3 sets of data. I want to see the saturation levels compared to eachother which will lead to many more tests before it goes to the plants in the tests.
Test 1
5 gallon bucket with 4 gallons of water at 70.52 degrees f. Air stone is rated at 10.83 L/min of air.
No air stone and no h2o2:
65.1% saturation, 5.74 ppm, 5.74 mg/L
Air stone only (rated at 10.83 L/min):
95.8% saturation, 8.47 ppm, 8.47 mg/L
40 mL 29% h2o2 with no airstone:
103.9% saturation, 9.20 ppm, 9.20 mg/L
Observations: after about an hour of adding h2o2, brand new airstone stopped working and slime appeared on the 1/4" hose. No matter how much more h2o2 that I add, saturation point won't pass 9.30 ppm.
After getting h2o2 in my only good eye left, I washed out my eye and halted test until further notice.
The eye was fine but safety in testing is important as you can see. I forget why but for some reason I had my head over the bucket and forgot that the airstone was splashing water cause of the pump. Next time I'll wear glasses and gloves. It says right on the bottle that contact with clothing may cause fire. That is strange which makes me want to see how this all relates to plants. Enough for now. Time to smoke some Chem and pass out.
December 15, 2011
I'm stoned out of mind off of the Chem so I figured I'd share some information. I use chlorine as a preventative measure but know that a lot of people use hydrogen peroxide so I wanted to try it out because it was interesting to me that it also adds Dissolved Oxygen to the solution. I have 2 Dissolved Oxygen meters and one of them was close to 3k so I figured I'd do some testing to see what was up. Fucked up thing though is that I tested it out on my crop that i was running cause I didn't think that anything could go wrong because someone gave me the dosage information to use so I did. Long story short, the whole crop died within days but I could see the sign that things were wrong within 30 minute think that's all the experience that I needed to not run it again and stick to my bleach. It's obvious that I used too much or it was too much in a dwc system. I've been meaning to do a bunch of tests to get to the bottom of this just to know. There are a lot of tests first that lead up to the main test so I will post this one first.
My hypothesis is that because 29% H2O2 is corrosive, I believe that it may slightly damage roots and make them more prone to pithium or root rot. We know that pithium is in water but does not attack if things are healthy but once stress is caused, pithium takes hold. In DWC this is very common because there are so many ways to cause stress when your roots are constantly submerged in water. When you don't have enough oxygen in your solution, it is a common stress that can lead to pithium very quickly. That's why my air pumps are so big and also why I tested bleach and use it every 5-7 days. Let's get back to the test though. This first test was to look at the differences of 4 gallons of water at the same temperature for 3 sets of data. I want to see the saturation levels compared to eachother which will lead to many more tests before it goes to the plants in the tests.
Test 1
5 gallon bucket with 4 gallons of water at 70.52 degrees f. Air stone is rated at 10.83 L/min of air.
No air stone and no h2o2:
65.1% saturation, 5.74 ppm, 5.74 mg/L
Air stone only (rated at 10.83 L/min):
95.8% saturation, 8.47 ppm, 8.47 mg/L
40 mL 29% h2o2 with no airstone:
103.9% saturation, 9.20 ppm, 9.20 mg/L
Observations: after about an hour of adding h2o2, brand new airstone stopped working and slime appeared on the 1/4" hose. No matter how much more h2o2 that I add, saturation point won't pass 9.30 ppm.
After getting h2o2 in my only good eye left, I washed out my eye and halted test until further notice.
The eye was fine but safety in testing is important as you can see. I forget why but for some reason I had my head over the bucket and forgot that the airstone was splashing water cause of the pump. Next time I'll wear glasses and gloves. It says right on the bottle that contact with clothing may cause fire. That is strange which makes me want to see how this all relates to plants. Enough for now. Time to smoke some Chem and pass out.
Today I did most of my work in one of the VEG rooms. Transplanted a bunch of clones into various mediums to start the to VEG before flowering. One point I would like to make is about my MOMS. Even though all my BYTCH MOMS are the same phenotype from the same MOM 4 years ago from seed, I still label each one from every MOM they come from to look for mutations. Right now I have 6 different BYTCH MOMS that are labeled different numbers and symbols to identify each cutting. I even have them color coordinated as seen in the picture below of BYTCH rooted cuttings beginning my process named VEG-A:
Inspiration! Cant wait to get a peace of land. We have very different growing styles, but i like your organization. I couldnt help but notice the wooden floor in one of your veg rooms, does that part of the house have foundation under it? If not you may want to think of putting poly on the floor to seal it. I found that a converted sunroom with a wooden floor allowed insects to come up through the floor. Just My 2c happy growing and living!
Love the organization snype.
Thanks! I am very organized and anal about my data and organization. It's nice to still see you around!
Any house in life that I grow in, the grows are always up high so no there is no foundation below that room. I don't think insects are going to make their way up here and if they did they would be dead pretty quickly with my techniques and procedures. There's not even 1 fungus gnat in any of my rooms! I'm just happy that I have wood floors instead of carpet. I can't stand poly. Thanks for stopping by!
Pretty dramatic night and day on the farm the last 24 hours. The generator went out and had to spend all day trying to get it working and it's finally back on now. With all my systems in RDWC with no power, I had to drain all the systems and hand water for hours. Luckily I wasn't rooting an fresh cuttings yesterday. Now on to damage control tonight.
high man, glad you got lucky this time but you know, living the rural life you might want to consider changing it up a little, there are passive hydroponic methods that wouldn't even blink over a power outage, even a prolonged one wouldn't kill them, just deprive them of light, and the growth rates are close at least to DWC.
...cloning can be done passively as well so even a batch of clones could ride out an outage for a couple days and still pull through.
...i hope you know i'm not criticizing by any means, just suggesting that there are ways to protect yourself from the worry of an outage and all the labor involved when an outage occurs.
peace, bozo
...cloning can be done passively as well so even a batch of clones could ride out an outage for a couple days and still pull through.
...i hope you know i'm not criticizing by any means, just suggesting that there are ways to protect yourself from the worry of an outage and all the labor involved when an outage occurs.
peace, bozo
Thanks bozo but nothing is touching these specific growth rates on my type of RDWC. I'm talking specifically of a 1 week VEG in the flowering rooms under 600 Watters until they reach 16". I top only the main top at 7 days VEG-B at 16" and then the 1000's get turned on and they enter flowering on the 8th day. From 16" topped, they finish at 50"+ bushes with about 8-10 tops per plant and close to 1 gram per watt.
What I'm going to do is buy back up battery controllers that are made for office buildings that they sell in India.
there is no doubt they look sweet brother! ...no doubt at all!
peace, bozo
peace, bozo
Let's talk about sacrifice.
When your grow is your main source of income, there are many sacrifices that you have to make in your life. I don't find too many people that can relate to the total sacrifice. My past workers (and or partners) always said they did this or that so that means that they are making the sacrifices but in reality they are not because they aren't making the total sacrifices. Maybe some of you will understand what I'm talking about and maybe no one will. Some of my past workers wanted schedules and thought things were constants. It doesn't work that way. The plants don't wait for you to go out and have your fun before they have to be dealt with. The point is a schedule will only go so far.
The sacrifices can be very extreme in my situation. The only spare hours that I have are when I sleep and sometimes I can only get a few hours of sleep because certain plants need more attention than others. A failed crop in my situation means thousands of dollars in diesel fuel down the toilet as well as other expenses. Failed crops are not an option here. I'm extremely dedicated to the success of my grow and make all the sacrifices that I need to. Hell, I even have 3,000 watts in my bedroom blasting from 6pm to 6am. Like I said all space that I can find goes to the grow. It's not like I will be growing this scale my whole life but I still have a few years left and am fully dedicated to scheduling myself around the plants instead of the other way around like most of the other guppies.
I can't really go into full details here but the gold rush is ending in the not too long distant future. It's already over in Cali and Colorado. The east coast is the last leg and no one knows when it will fully end. Prices have come down from 5 years ago from 6k to 4-5k which still isn't bad and I can work with that. My advantage lies in my strains, pheno's and quality of meds but it's just a matter of time before other growers catch on so by my calculations I still got a good 3 years left before prices hit under 35 which is when I make my exit into a different part of this business or into some other type of business.
When your grow is your main source of income, there are many sacrifices that you have to make in your life. I don't find too many people that can relate to the total sacrifice. My past workers (and or partners) always said they did this or that so that means that they are making the sacrifices but in reality they are not because they aren't making the total sacrifices. Maybe some of you will understand what I'm talking about and maybe no one will. Some of my past workers wanted schedules and thought things were constants. It doesn't work that way. The plants don't wait for you to go out and have your fun before they have to be dealt with. The point is a schedule will only go so far.
The sacrifices can be very extreme in my situation. The only spare hours that I have are when I sleep and sometimes I can only get a few hours of sleep because certain plants need more attention than others. A failed crop in my situation means thousands of dollars in diesel fuel down the toilet as well as other expenses. Failed crops are not an option here. I'm extremely dedicated to the success of my grow and make all the sacrifices that I need to. Hell, I even have 3,000 watts in my bedroom blasting from 6pm to 6am. Like I said all space that I can find goes to the grow. It's not like I will be growing this scale my whole life but I still have a few years left and am fully dedicated to scheduling myself around the plants instead of the other way around like most of the other guppies.
I can't really go into full details here but the gold rush is ending in the not too long distant future. It's already over in Cali and Colorado. The east coast is the last leg and no one knows when it will fully end. Prices have come down from 5 years ago from 6k to 4-5k which still isn't bad and I can work with that. My advantage lies in my strains, pheno's and quality of meds but it's just a matter of time before other growers catch on so by my calculations I still got a good 3 years left before prices hit under 35 which is when I make my exit into a different part of this business or into some other type of business.
So about an hour ago I was looking at some plants in VEG-A and noticed signs of root rot on some of the plants roots. I'm only 4 days into VEG-A on a specific tray and it's not looking good. Never really had to deal with this problem in VEG-A but the power going out for 24 hours surely didn't help. All the other plants on the farm look fine except one tray. I tossed the worst one and I added 1.5 mL of Clorox Bleach into a 16.5 gallon rez that waters that specific tray. After I let the Clorox mix into the solution, I dunked each pot into the solution. I will continue this treatment for the rest of VEG-A or until they all die. Hopefully I caught this in time to save them.
Have you looked into ewc for prevention of root rot, i know that a feller named HEISENBERG at some place had a thread about it. Lots of rdwc folks I know swear by it. Just thought that I would share because my old lady refuses to use bleach unless she absolutely has to..shes always goin off about dioxins and all that..
www.natracare.com/p113/en-GB/Your-Health/Chlorine-bleaching.aspx
Love what you got goin on! You should make some seeds of your prized cut just in case. I lost a cut after giving away 100's of healthy clones, still feel empty for not having her anymore....wish I had made some seeds....
Big ups for your guide, I have use it and showed it to people numerous times...THANK YOU!
www.natracare.com/p113/en-GB/Your-Health/Chlorine-bleaching.aspx
Love what you got goin on! You should make some seeds of your prized cut just in case. I lost a cut after giving away 100's of healthy clones, still feel empty for not having her anymore....wish I had made some seeds....
Big ups for your guide, I have use it and showed it to people numerous times...THANK YOU!
I run a dead rez so I don't think I can use the EWC. Usually I'm all good but with the power getting lost and the room climbing in the 90's, I basically got fucked. Luckily my RDWC systems are fine. I'm thinking I might have caught the problem at the very beginning stage and might be able to fix it with Chlorine. I will know in the next few days. I always had this specific chlorine formula if this problem should occur and now it is my test. I basically put 2.5 PPMs of Chlorine in the system and will test the Chlorine levels daily. As the Chlorine is fighting the pathogen, the Chlorine levels will decrease in PPM in faster times. I will have to keep track of how fast the Chlorine is leaving and keep adding it back until the Chlorine is leaving at normal rate times. I will also have to monitor roots for new growth at the same time.
As far as seed, I made over 10,000 seeds of my BYTCH! I got that shit stashed away at multiple places. This shit is here forever. I also gave her out to multiple people just in case. Last year I was robbed and lost all my MOMs. I bumped into a guy I gave the cut to a couple years back and was able to get her back not too long ago. This BYTCH is mine!
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hey snype,sorry to hear about the genny! what was the prob? also the h2o2 i use it and swear by it! before you put it in the water,it is best to check all roots by giving them a gentle tug and what comes away is generally bad,also it is very important to empty the rez and hand clean the bucket's the only problem i had with h202 was when bits of roots were just left in the water ! goodluck willyweed
Well this is going to be a good test for me now that I have root rot in one of the systems. Last night I put over 2PPM Chlorine into the system and by the time that I woke up all the Chlorine was gone from the system. My goal is to hold a 2PPM Chorine level for 24 hours. It's going to be difficult and these plants might die but testing will show me if I can fix this problem. So here we go:
9/16 - 4 am - added 1.5 mL Clorox Bleach - Chlorine levels were 2 PPM
9/17 - 4 pm - added 2 mL Clorox Bleach - Chlorine levels were 2.57 PPM
I will test Chlorine levels every 3 hours and keep adding in Clorox to try and hold around 2 PPM but at least be over 1PPM at all times. The Chlorine is leaving so fast because it is fighting the pathogen in the system.
9/16 - 4 am - added 1.5 mL Clorox Bleach - Chlorine levels were 2 PPM
9/17 - 4 pm - added 2 mL Clorox Bleach - Chlorine levels were 2.57 PPM
I will test Chlorine levels every 3 hours and keep adding in Clorox to try and hold around 2 PPM but at least be over 1PPM at all times. The Chlorine is leaving so fast because it is fighting the pathogen in the system.
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You're on the money Capt! I guess you know your cows!
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You have no idea how much I envy that farm of yours!
I barely have space for some comfrey and some spices on my "balcony".
Having some land like that is probably the goal I'm striving for the most. Hopefully someday it will happen.
Wish your grows the best, although I seriously doubt they need my wishes for that!
I barely have space for some comfrey and some spices on my "balcony".
Having some land like that is probably the goal I'm striving for the most. Hopefully someday it will happen.
Wish your grows the best, although I seriously doubt they need my wishes for that!
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