Terpenation at Terpene Station

[FatherEarth]

I was thinking more along the lines of a jacket for the collection pot wrapped around the sides and bottom....also for heating inside the vacuum chamber....They make custom dimensions as well.....

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Ya it would be nice to eliminate the water from the whole process. I find it gets into the outside rim of the collection chamber gaskets, and sometimes those drops can fall into the oil during collection/opening. I guess there will still be condensation though. Its impossible to control the heat accurately with the wyott though so im defintly looking into those heat mats

On the topic of the appion, I have certainly sucked up oil into it a few times during multiple run collections, and noticed the pump strength fall dramatically. To remedy this I have can-tapped a can directly into the inlet of the appion and pumped it to atmosphere through a 4 ft long stainless hose to get the butane out of the immediate area of the appion (All OUTSIDE). cleaned it right out, and now runs like new.

 

[mr. durden]

Ya it would be nice to eliminate the water from the whole process. I find it gets into the outside rim of the collection chamber gaskets, and sometimes those drops can fall into the oil during collection/opening. I guess there will still be condensation though. Its impossible to control the heat accurately with the wyott though so im defintly looking into those heat mats

On the topic of the appion, I have certainly sucked up oil into it a few times during multiple run collections, and noticed the pump strength fall dramatically. To remedy this I have can-tapped a can directly into the inlet of the appion and pumped it to atmosphere through a 4 ft long stainless hose to get the butane out of the immediate area of the appion (All OUTSIDE). cleaned it right out, and now runs like new.

Keep us posted on the jacket heater FE.

It is easy to suck oil in even with a filter dryer. I run a site glass before the filter so I can see. I notice sometime the appion hose gets covered in oil too :-\

That is a great idea blowing butane through the g5. I use that long 1/4" hose that came with my Tami to vent to atmosphere

I do think running a 6x12 tri-clamp helps. I also loop the hose going to the g5 up along the column first

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[Hash Man]

Ya it would be nice to eliminate the water from the whole process. I find it gets into the outside rim of the collection chamber gaskets, and sometimes those drops can fall into the oil during collection/opening. I guess there will still be condensation though. Its impossible to control the heat accurately with the wyott though so im defintly looking into those heat mats

On the topic of the appion, I have certainly sucked up oil into it a few times during multiple run collections, and noticed the pump strength fall dramatically. To remedy this I have can-tapped a can directly into the inlet of the appion and pumped it to atmosphere through a 4 ft long stainless hose to get the butane out of the immediate area of the appion (All OUTSIDE). cleaned it right out, and now runs like new.

Did you clean your appion with the power on or off?

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

I have a couple theories as to why it is so easy to over flood the collection chamber and suck oil into the appion.

For example, You flood the first column where you record the time it took to reach the top. Then using that time you then flood the column 2-3 more times for the same amount of time it took for the first. However i think we are not taking into account that after the first dump, 8-12% of your mass (Extracted Oil) in the column was removed and dumped into the collection chamber, leaving about 90%ish of the mass still in the tube. Which means there is more space for butane, and subsequently every dump after that will have that much more butane flowing into the collection chamber, which can lead to overflooding imo. I have been taking a few seconds off of each dump after the first, and havnt sucked up any oil since, For example 12 sec =first flood 10sec=2nd flood 8 sec=3rd flood etc.

Another theory i have is that your first flood is the coldest (assuming you pre-chilled your tank) and therefor has the least amount of pressure, which means it takes longer to flood. So the following floods which are a little bit warmer, have more pressure and flood faster, with more butane flowing into your column in the same amount of time as your first flood.

what do you guys think?

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Did you clean your appion with the power on or off?

On, i pumped the can through as a liquid, to catch any oil gunked up. Not to sure if this is a safe operation, im not an expert on the appion. but it made rational sense to me. I should take it apart and have a look to be sure.

 

[mr. durden]

I have a couple theories as to why it is so easy to over flood the collection chamber and suck oil into the appion.

For example, You flood the first column where you record the time it took to reach the top. Then using that time you then flood the column 2-3 more times for the same amount of time it took for the first. However i think we are not taking into account that after the first dump, 8-12% of your mass (Extracted Oil) in the column was removed and dumped into the collection chamber, leaving about 90%ish of the mass still in the tube. Which means there is more space for butane, and subsequently every dump after that will have that much more butane flowing into the collection chamber, which can lead to overflooding imo. I have been taking a few seconds off of each dump after the first, and havnt sucked up any oil since, For example 12 sec =first flood 10sec=2nd flood 8 sec=3rd flood etc.

Another theory i have is that your first flood is the coldest (assuming you pre-chilled your tank) and therefor has the least amount of pressure, which means it takes longer to flood. So the following floods which are a little bit warmer, have more pressure and flood faster, with more butane flowing into your column in the same amount of time as your first flood.

what do you guys think?

or C, your partner distracted you and it kept flowing WAY past the allotted time :/

it isn't difficult at all to take it apart. the only thing that you need to be cautious of when dismantling is the orientation of the top end. i did find a how to when i googled rebuilding top end of appion g5. it has pics and what not.

 

[dibdabs]

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Hey , where did you get that mesh screen?


I ordered the refrigerant recovery tank through the link Grey Wolf posted. I also had to buy another tank from my supplier to have it filled through their distributor. I requested a liquid/gas y valve one the tank and what I am seeing here is different than anything I've seen in the past. Is this in fact a gas and liquid valve? What type of threads are in that female liquid(?) opening? Recommendation to convert to 1/4" flare?

 

[mr. durden]

your airgas supplier should have fittings in stock to make it happen.

 

[dibdabs]

That's a good point, never really thought of that, just kind of assumed since they didnt give us what we asked for, they didn't have it. Ok thats plan A, plan B?

 

[FatherEarth]

I used to run a inline sight glass right off of the recovery valve to make sure I wasnt flooding over. If you notice ice or that your filter drier is sweating youve sucked liquid butane into the filter and probably oil along with it. Also pay attention to any part after the valve of your recovery line sweating or being super cold. Indications of over fill...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...kw=3/8+inline+sight+glass+hvac+flare&_sacat=0

Thanks for the tip Regis.


Dibdabs
got the mesh off of Ebay ...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw...udhi=&_sop=12&_fpos=&_fspt=1&_sadis=&LH_CAds=

 

[mr. durden]

dibdabs, take the pic from the other side. you should need a cga510 to male like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Model-WD212...246?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d1ac923e

just pull a vac on your 50lb tank and then transfer from the tank with butane to the mastercool. chilling the receiving one and heating slightly the other will help transfer.

 

[milkyjoe]

Jump....


First two are the isolated crystal. The last two are just some snaps that IMO resemble the THC-a picture from one of the links I posted.. I found an old microscope slide that was in the wash bin that hadnt been cleaned. I took it to the scope and found the largest crystals Ive seen yet. Large and nicely formed. Ill get em posted in a bit... til then :


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I just got to say...holy fuck. That is awesome work FE. You are gonna make me read this thread yet.

 

[icdog]

Has anybody looked at a digital heating pad for people to use for heating the collection pot?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hey , where did you get that mesh screen?


I ordered the refrigerant recovery tank through the link Grey Wolf posted. I also had to buy another tank from my supplier to have it filled through their distributor. I requested a liquid/gas y valve one the tank and what I am seeing here is different than anything I've seen in the past. Is this in fact a gas and liquid valve? What type of threads are in that female liquid(?) opening? Recommendation to convert to 1/4" flare?

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I picked up the left handed propane nut at an RV supply and adapted it with a 1/4" FNPT to 1/4" Male flare fitting from RSD refrigeration supply, so that we can use refrigeration hoses.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Has anybody looked at a digital heating pad for people to use for heating the collection pot?

Need more contact area. Maybe a heating mantle?

 

[FatherEarth]

ahhhh a heating mantle.. Thanks GW!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-new-G...154?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33853fd13a

 

[FatherEarth]

oil cloud vacuum filter

oil cloud vacuum filter

I found a solution to the oil vapor cloud produced by the vacuum indoors. Works like a charm, no clouds and no loss of vacuum power. Pulls a 29 hg no problem. Actually seemed a bit faster than usual if that is possible. Motor did not overheat or get overly warm. You could still smell the oil but no visible cloud or oily residue even if you hold your hand up to the filter output.

There is a backflow prevention device I put into the connection that probably isn't necessary, just used what I had laying around and would fit...

Here is where I got the idea.The guy is super long winded and likes to stretch things out. FF to get the gist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpzvuNjvZ8

I got a filter that I dont need to weave the wire into to get the output to flow, its already open. The Robinair has a 3/4" machine thread output port. So I got a larger filter to avoid as much resistance as possible and the backflow fitting will keep anything from running back into the pump if it gets full...


Respectfully,

FE

 

[FatherEarth]

tank cooler

tank cooler

packed with 10lbs of dry ice on the bottom and reusable freezer packs, and insulated with heavy flannel jackets and a thermal sleeping bag, this cooler stays frozen for approx 4 days sitting outside under shade..

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hee, hee, hee..............