Whole plant hash?

[hush]

Is there a method of hashish-making or concentrate-making that generally makes use of the whole plant? I don't really know how to ask the question I'm thinking, so let me try again...

Do people dedicate their indoor gardens entirely to hash-making, instead of harvesting buds? If so, do you process the plant all at once? Or do you separate buds and leaves, and use different methods on various parts of the plant? With processes like dry sieving and water extraction, I figure entire plants could theoretically be processed all together.

I was thinking about dedicating one of my micro gardens entirely to hash. But I didn't know if, when people do that, does that mean several various types of extractions, or one that does it all?

I've only ever used trim before, for small amounts, and that has always been qwiso. What's a good, efficient way to make use of entire plants?

 

[2000pm]

Well there is definitely a difference in quality from the bud to the rest of the plant in terms of things like trichome coverage and terpenes.

If it was sift/hash, as in trichome heads then I would process whole plant style but if it was a solvent extract I would separate the grades personally.

 

[Infinitesimal]

I doubt many people sacrifice their indoor gardens to make hash, due to the value of the buds when dried and trimmed...

but regardless indoor or outdoor or concentration method... IMO, processing the leaf and bud together will provide the broadest spectrum of cannabinoid/terpenoids in a given sample because the resin heads on the leaves form and mature at different times than those on the calyxes... so that equals more complexity and captures the "bigger picture" of what the strain offers, compared to a run of just sugar trim or just bud, again IMO

 

[hush]

Thanks for the responses.

I've never really had a lot of hash, or oil, at one time before. So I'd kind of like to experience that now. I like smoking rubbed hash just as much as I like smoking qwiso. So I was hoping to do it all at once, using the whole plant this time, and be done with it.

Maybe I should go ahead and separate the buds from the fan leaves, but not manicure them... Then, I could do one big qwiso run with those, and get a mix of cannabinoids like Infinitesimal said.

What do people usually do with their fan leaves and stems, in terms of extractions? I know there's still good stuff on the stems!

 

[Infinitesimal]

you juice fresh fan leaves for their raw cannabinoic acids

 

[m314]

Thanks for the responses.

I've never really had a lot of hash, or oil, at one time before. So I'd kind of like to experience that now. I like smoking rubbed hash just as much as I like smoking qwiso. So I was hoping to do it all at once, using the whole plant this time, and be done with it.

Maybe I should go ahead and separate the buds from the fan leaves, but not manicure them... Then, I could do one big qwiso run with those, and get a mix of cannabinoids like Infinitesimal said.

What do people usually do with their fan leaves and stems, in terms of extractions? I know there's still good stuff on the stems!

I might try some kind of whole plant extraction with my next harvest. I got a little vaporizer pen a couple months ago that changed my mind about buds vs. hash. I've only wanted to vape hash or hash oil since then. I've been working on making oil with my last harvest (just over a pound of bud) since then. One little batch at a time. I'd rather try a bunch of methods with smaller batches before I commit to something bigger. With my next harvest, I'll be confident enough in my methods to know exactly what I'll want to do.

I save the fan leaves for edibles or drinkables. Some people say they're worthless, but I think they just have a higher tolerance than me. Take 2 or 3 grams of fan leaves from a quality strain (even from male plants), simmer in whole milk for 15 minutes, strain, and drink. Chocolate syrup is optional. That can have me on the couch or in bed taking an unplanned nap if I drink the whole thing all at once. Someone who vapes hash oil all day might not feel it at all. It depends on your tolerance.

I've always saved the stems for edibles too, but I made a good QWISO batch with them once. I'm thinking of trying a butane extraction with a bunch of stems I have now. They're all in mason jars now cut into 1 inch pieces. I was going to fill one jar with butane, soak for a minute, then pour / strain into the next jar. Repeat until all the jars have been soaked, then let the butane evaporate. Then vacuum purge or winterize with Everclear 190. I'll post pics here if I try it.

 

[gunnaknow]

I doubt that they bother to trim field grown plants before making hash in the Himalayas or the Rif mountains of Morocco. They'd be there forever if they did that. They might take a machete to the big fan leaves, to make the plants easier to stack in a pile but that's about it. If you want to go the quickest route then you can also make QWISO or BHO with fresh rather than dried plants. It captures more of the fresh aroma, which is a nice bonus. See Jump's threads regarding the use of fresh plant material.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=90456
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=168388

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Thanks for the responses.

I've never really had a lot of hash, or oil, at one time before. So I'd kind of like to experience that now. I like smoking rubbed hash just as much as I like smoking qwiso. So I was hoping to do it all at once, using the whole plant this time, and be done with it.

Maybe I should go ahead and separate the buds from the fan leaves, but not manicure them... Then, I could do one big qwiso run with those, and get a mix of cannabinoids like Infinitesimal said.

What do people usually do with their fan leaves and stems, in terms of extractions? I know there's still good stuff on the stems!

dont make qwiso. that shit is gross. your better off going with bubble hash if you cant make proper bho.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Is there a method of hashish-making or concentrate-making that generally makes use of the whole plant? I don't really know how to ask the question I'm thinking, so let me try again...

Do people dedicate their indoor gardens entirely to hash-making, instead of harvesting buds? If so, do you process the plant all at once? Or do you separate buds and leaves, and use different methods on various parts of the plant? With processes like dry sieving and water extraction, I figure entire plants could theoretically be processed all together.

I was thinking about dedicating one of my micro gardens entirely to hash. But I didn't know if, when people do that, does that mean several various types of extractions, or one that does it all?

I've only ever used trim before, for small amounts, and that has always been qwiso. What's a good, efficient way to make use of entire plants?

We extract whole plants for oil, sans fan leaves and stems using butane.

We strip fan leaves and stems separately for oil to make topicals.

 

[hush]

I disagree, Hash Zeppelin, the qwiso I make is of the highest quality, and the only reason I choose it over bho is that it tastes and smells better. Gets me just as high, shatters, fully melts, but has flavor. Bho is slightly overrated. Please keep in mind, that is just my opinion.

I majored in organic chem when I was in college, and I can (and have) make highly refined cannabinoid oils, since I know what I'm doing... But the flavor and aromas are long gone at that level, even if they are stupid potent. BHO on the other hand, even when done as perfectly as the most dream laboratory setup will allow, is no more potent than qwiso, and it lacks flavor.

Anyway, thanks for the advice and suggestions everyone. Please feel free to keep it coming!

 

[hush]

Gray Wolf, that's just the sort of confirmation I was looking for! What do you extract with?


Edit: Nevermind, you said butane, I'm just a dummy.

 

[blastfrompast]

I could see why people would be interested in this topic with the flower market taking a price hit depending on your AO.

I blasted a couple of cans into 26g of white widow fluff and and ended up with a 3g chuck of waxy textured bho and at the prices dispensaries are charging I could almost see doing large runs if you had the client base and the gear to reclaim your solvent.