Astrobabe123
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I know there are many factors that go into growing a 10 lb plants but is it possible to do it without bottled bloom products if properly amended?
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Magnificent spacing in that garden GreenHands. Those in the garden shots really show off how spread out it is. I noticed how parched the land looks around the garden and wondered if dust is a problem for you. What, if anything, are you doing to keep the dust down in your garden?
Respectfully,
FE
MilkyJ,
It seems a bit early to be molesting colas, lol. Nice bud shot.
Respectfully,
FE
MilkyJ,
It seems a bit early to be molesting colas, lol. Nice bud shot.
I remember my buddies 14 footers, snaking down a dry streambed on Mt Aukum in the early 80s, The soil was ammended with turkey manure. No chemical nutes were used, and there was no organic bottles of the stuff we have now. He won all festivals with his bud.
Im running 2 headbands this year. Both ammended, one gets bloom ferts, one doesnt. They look the same, and smell the same. And I may change my game.
Compost Tea
Compost Tea
I have seen monsters created using the following basic formula:
1.) Dig a huge hole in a well drained location. Seriously big! Like dig the hole with a backhoe. I'm not exaggerating here, I know lots of people who use a backhoe. We're talking a 20 yards dump truck or more in size. The size of the plant is directly proportional to the size of the hole. I'll say this again... the size of the plant is directly proportional to the size of the hole. Repeat after me, the size of...
2.) Fill in said hole with a mix of lots of compost, humus, or otherwise organic material, and the dirt. Leaves, grass clippings, straw, peat, kelp, or anything that worms like to eat, and mushrooms like to grow in. Variety is the spice of life, and a modicum of manure is O.K., but don't use too much. This should be mainly humus, but I would add a cup or 3 of bone meal. This should be done in the fall so it has time to grow a population of earthworms. It should be less than 50% humus, but at least 25%. You will end up with a huge mound of dirt filled with worms and mushrooms. Worms and mushrooms are the sign of success. Some people are less ambitious with hole, but add one of those cloth pots on top. Cut slits in the bottom so roots grow into the soil, otherwise the hole is pointless. If you limit your plants roots with those pots, you are limiting the size of your plant. Just look at people who use those pots for all their plants. If they are successful, all the plants tend to be the same size.
3.) Water with compost tea. This stuff is an organic miracle with plants. Google it. Use formulas that lean towards the fungal type. Basically, the formula for a 55 gallon drum is a few cups of compost that you use to grow some mycelium. The rest is a cup of a mix of expensive organic fertilizers like humic acid, fulvic acid, aged fish meal with kelp. These are not cheap, but you use very little. If you don't have a compost pile, what is wrong with you? Sorry. What I meant to say is... If you don't have a compost pile, you can go by the creek in the forest, find a maple tree and scrape up some humus, just under the layer of leaves. Actually, even if you do have a compost pile, get some humus from the broadleaf tree in the forest. This will bring in some other types of mushrooms into the mix. You use a dash of the fertilizer mix to help get the mycelium growing in the compost. Put it in a warm dark place. When then compost turns white with mycelium, toss it and the fertilizers into the 55 gallon drum of tepid water. Aerate with powerful air bubbler for a day at 72 degrees and it starts to foam.
I said to Google this compost tea thing, but I can't stop talking about it. What you are doing is growing tiny compost micro organisms and funus. Pour this over your plants roots, and the plants instantly start reaching for the sky and thanking you for it. No shit, they start glowing in the dark. I've seen plants with stalks as thick as my thigh.
Ignore all this advice if you are growing for high quality head stash. For the best buds, throw seeds in some dirt, don't fertilize, and water only enough to barely keep them alive. I'm exaggerating only slightly. Do the experiment yourselves. Grow one 10 lbs + plant using the method of your choice, and a wild non "farmed" type one ounce plant over the same period of time. See which one has the better high.
I crack myself up.
I actually do something about in between both methods. Either way, it is fun!
Happy Growing,
ThaiBliss
Compost Tea
I have seen monsters created using the following basic formula:
1.) Dig a huge hole in a well drained location. Seriously big! Like dig the hole with a backhoe. I'm not exaggerating here, I know lots of people who use a backhoe. We're talking a 20 yards dump truck or more in size. The size of the plant is directly proportional to the size of the hole. I'll say this again... the size of the plant is directly proportional to the size of the hole. Repeat after me, the size of...
2.) Fill in said hole with a mix of lots of compost, humus, or otherwise organic material, and the dirt. Leaves, grass clippings, straw, peat, kelp, or anything that worms like to eat, and mushrooms like to grow in. Variety is the spice of life, and a modicum of manure is O.K., but don't use too much. This should be mainly humus, but I would add a cup or 3 of bone meal. This should be done in the fall so it has time to grow a population of earthworms. It should be less than 50% humus, but at least 25%. You will end up with a huge mound of dirt filled with worms and mushrooms. Worms and mushrooms are the sign of success. Some people are less ambitious with hole, but add one of those cloth pots on top. Cut slits in the bottom so roots grow into the soil, otherwise the hole is pointless. If you limit your plants roots with those pots, you are limiting the size of your plant. Just look at people who use those pots for all their plants. If they are successful, all the plants tend to be the same size.
3.) Water with compost tea. This stuff is an organic miracle with plants. Google it. Use formulas that lean towards the fungal type. Basically, the formula for a 55 gallon drum is a few cups of compost that you use to grow some mycelium. The rest is a cup of a mix of expensive organic fertilizers like humic acid, fulvic acid, aged fish meal with kelp. These are not cheap, but you use very little. If you don't have a compost pile, what is wrong with you? Sorry. What I meant to say is... If you don't have a compost pile, you can go by the creek in the forest, find a maple tree and scrape up some humus, just under the layer of leaves. Actually, even if you do have a compost pile, get some humus from the broadleaf tree in the forest. This will bring in some other types of mushrooms into the mix. You use a dash of the fertilizer mix to help get the mycelium growing in the compost. Put it in a warm dark place. When then compost turns white with mycelium, toss it and the fertilizers into the 55 gallon drum of tepid water. Aerate with powerful air bubbler for a day at 72 degrees and it starts to foam.
I said to Google this compost tea thing, but I can't stop talking about it. What you are doing is growing tiny compost micro organisms and funus. Pour this over your plants roots, and the plants instantly start reaching for the sky and thanking you for it. No shit, they start glowing in the dark. I've seen plants with stalks as thick as my thigh.
Ignore all this advice if you are growing for high quality head stash. For the best buds, throw seeds in some dirt, don't fertilize, and water only enough to barely keep them alive. I'm exaggerating only slightly. Do the experiment yourselves. Grow one 10 lbs + plant using the method of your choice, and a wild non "farmed" type one ounce plant over the same period of time. See which one has the better high.
I crack myself up.
I actually do something about in between both methods. Either way, it is fun!
Happy Growing,
ThaiBliss
GreenHands13
Active member
I spread wood chips through out and around the garden to keep dust down
Appreciate the kind words FE.
GreenHands13
Active member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eiTZk1Lnzo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Great song to get the day going
Great song to get the day going
GH13 that song bumps... good call dank you man!!
DungeonMaster
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Grand Daddy Purple Stack as of yesterday (090813)
Girl Scout Cookies - a bit blurry, but there is another stack in the back that is in the shot that is in focus.
Jack The Ripper Stack.
Sweet Tooth stack.
The JTR and GSC were showing some yellowing so i hit them with some nitrogen in the fertigation in order to bring them back a bit.
i mentioned back a few pages to Aeraguerilla that i would post picks of this sweet tooth, as BC Sweet tooth is supposed to be an early finisher. it seems this is sort of on track for an october finish to me.
another couple notes are that i dont get full sun all day, as there is a tree or two around where i have to put the garden from prying eyes. the second is that my nutrient and feed program is not on point this year. i am going to go back to what i had going 2 years ago, which seemed to have more of a booming response. that is the fun in gardening though. trying out things to see what works better.
good photos everyone and thanks for the knowledge bestowed in this thread.
DM
GreenHands13
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Ya its a great one heres another good one most of u im sure have heard it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJjwrKecwqs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJjwrKecwqs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I think the old Original Haze poster advice holds up pretty well, if you can read the fine print:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5399975&postcount=582
Nature produces some real phattys doesnt she?
Wonder what 20 generations of horn worms feeding soley off Cannabiss might mutate into?
Astrobabe123
New member
RE: Growing 10 lbs plants/ amending and watering & teas. (No bottled bloom nutes)
RE: Growing 10 lbs plants/ amending and watering & teas. (No bottled bloom nutes)
Dr Purpur- Thanks for the quick response. do u know how many pounds were pulled off of those 14ft? Please keep us posted through out harvest on which plant produces better. My partner thinks that you can grow huge plants but in order to get thick fat heavy weighing flowers (10 pounders) you have to feed bottled nutes for bloom and everything I have read and learned says if you have good soil boilogy and the proper amount of amendments than you should do just as good on your yield as the plant using bloom products. We will see soon
Thia Bliss- Thanks for all of the awesome info! I have had my nose in the book learning and experimenting with compost teas this season. Its so intersting! I tried to make the fungal compost by adding baby oatmeal (simple protient like Elain Ingrahm's book said) but I think I added to much water or it wasnt hot enough during storage..it came out liquidy and smelly, no visible white mycelia. Do u add any water to your EWC when u make the fungal compost? Also, how many cups of compost do u use in a 50 gallon brew? I think I usually use about 19 cups of EWC (2.38% per by volume of water per http://microbeorganics.com/ website) is that to much?
Thanks again and if anyone knows if Tom Hill uses any bottled nutes when bloom time comes around for his 10 lbs plant please chime in. Happy Gardening!
RE: Growing 10 lbs plants/ amending and watering & teas. (No bottled bloom nutes)
Dr Purpur- Thanks for the quick response. do u know how many pounds were pulled off of those 14ft? Please keep us posted through out harvest on which plant produces better. My partner thinks that you can grow huge plants but in order to get thick fat heavy weighing flowers (10 pounders) you have to feed bottled nutes for bloom and everything I have read and learned says if you have good soil boilogy and the proper amount of amendments than you should do just as good on your yield as the plant using bloom products. We will see soon
Thia Bliss- Thanks for all of the awesome info! I have had my nose in the book learning and experimenting with compost teas this season. Its so intersting! I tried to make the fungal compost by adding baby oatmeal (simple protient like Elain Ingrahm's book said) but I think I added to much water or it wasnt hot enough during storage..it came out liquidy and smelly, no visible white mycelia. Do u add any water to your EWC when u make the fungal compost? Also, how many cups of compost do u use in a 50 gallon brew? I think I usually use about 19 cups of EWC (2.38% per by volume of water per http://microbeorganics.com/ website) is that to much?
Thanks again and if anyone knows if Tom Hill uses any bottled nutes when bloom time comes around for his 10 lbs plant please chime in. Happy Gardening!
I have seen monsters created using the following basic formula:
1.) Dig a huge hole in a well drained location. Seriously big! Like dig the hole with a backhoe. I'm not exaggerating here, I know lots of people who use a backhoe. We're talking a 20 yards dump truck or more in size. The size of the plant is directly proportional to the size of the hole. I'll say this again... the size of the plant is directly proportional to the size of the hole. Repeat after me, the size of...
Happy Growing,
ThaiBliss
If you're going to employ that backhoe, why not think "trenches" instead of holes? Just space plants properly @ 8ft-10ft minimum and give yourself the advantage of all that lateral root space? Trenches rule for larger plants, feed like crazy starting with poultry manures in the mix & teas up to Aug, coast with a lil bloom formula to the finish.
* Trenches reusable the next year, till & amend.
Lavender Lights/Orange Crush/ Salmon Creek
Lavender Lights/Orange Crush/ Salmon Creek
As You can see, She is taking after the Salmon Creek Big Bud clone in her heritage. The buds are not real fluffy either, They are heavy and hanging. Real exotic odor
I have her stapled down, and spread out, under 6 foot for security in this garden
Lavender Lights/Orange Crush/ Salmon Creek
As You can see, She is taking after the Salmon Creek Big Bud clone in her heritage. The buds are not real fluffy either, They are heavy and hanging. Real exotic odor
I have her stapled down, and spread out, under 6 foot for security in this garden
Headband
Headband
This is a S1 from my old original Headband cut. I think its also called the Daywrecker Diesel
Headband
This is a S1 from my old original Headband cut. I think its also called the Daywrecker Diesel
Got to show you this one
Got to show you this one
This is Gorilla Glue #4. Its my latest blooming plant, and just going into bud the last week. Its kicking ass. This plant is in a 100 gallon Smarty
This plant got a real late start, because I just aquired the clone.
Got to show you this one
This is Gorilla Glue #4. Its my latest blooming plant, and just going into bud the last week. Its kicking ass. This plant is in a 100 gallon Smarty
This plant got a real late start, because I just aquired the clone.
Dr Purpur- Thanks for the quick response. do u know how many pounds were pulled off of those 14ft? Please keep us posted through out harvest on which plant produces better. My partner thinks that you can grow huge plants but in order to get thick fat heavy weighing flowers (10 pounders) you have to feed bottled nutes for bloom and everything I have read and learned says if you have good soil boilogy and the proper amount of amendments than you should do just as good on your yield as the plant using bloom products. We will see soon
Thia Bliss- Thanks for all of the awesome info! I have had my nose in the book learning and experimenting with compost teas this season. Its so intersting! I tried to make the fungal compost by adding baby oatmeal (simple protient like Elain Ingrahm's book said) but I think I added to much water or it wasnt hot enough during storage..it came out liquidy and smelly, no visible white mycelia. Do u add any water to your EWC when u make the fungal compost? Also, how many cups of compost do u use in a 50 gallon brew? I think I usually use about 19 cups of EWC (2.38% per by volume of water per http://microbeorganics.com/ website) is that to much?
Thanks again and if anyone knows if Tom Hill uses any bottled nutes when bloom time comes around for his 10 lbs plant please chime in. Happy Gardening!
AstroBabe,
Sounds like you are already on the right track. Yes, probably too much water. Imagine squeezing the compost very hard, and getting a drop or two to come out. That is how moist you want it. I had forgotten to mention the oatmeal. Keep trying on the mycelium growth. That is the hardest part. I also replaced fulvic acid with soybean meal to save money.
Twelve cups of compost does not sound like too much, but I use much less and got it to work. I got my tea mixes to foam up and work very well. My compost has lots of worms, since I have been composting for decades already. I used some old fruit packing boxes for my plants. I drilled holes in them for aeration, and worm castings literally came rolling out of these holes and piled up on the ground. I used these in the compost tea. Worm castings are the bomb. I used some PVC pipe to channel the air bubbles and make a flow of water that mixes at the same time it aerates. I am not a compost tea expert, I only got a clue a couple of years ago, but lots of people are using it in our area with great success. 10 - 12 lb plants are common. This is what medical cannabis plant limits do. People get very creative.
I bought the book "Teaming with Microbes" the revised edition. Very good book for the overall theory. I was a bit of a skeptic, about just how much it would help. The beauty of it is, I actually use less fertilizer by using these teas, which is what I have promoted for a long time. Results are astounding.
Good luck with your next attempt at mycelium.
ThaiBliss
So I met up with a guy that I consider a pro. Grows in Humboldt, and has been doing it for quite some time now. The reason I bring this up is because I thought I grew good herb. I know there is always room for improvement, but DAM!
I pulled out my GSC, blue dream, and WIFI from an indoor harvest I was very happy with. When he packed a bowl he was very polite and said it looked good and talked about the flavor profiles. I was feeling pretty good about myself until he broke out some outdoor headband he grew last year. HOLY SHIT! Some of the best herb I have ever seen, indoors or out. When I smoked it, I was soaring. So tasty!
Practice makes perfect, and apparently I need a lot of practice. Nothing like a humbling experience to motivate you to work harder. I don't know how I will face this guy today, I am really really humbled from this experience.
P.S. I have lived and been smoking/growing in NorCal for 15+ years. I have smoke tons of top shelve buds, so I do have a good base for comparison.
I pulled out my GSC, blue dream, and WIFI from an indoor harvest I was very happy with. When he packed a bowl he was very polite and said it looked good and talked about the flavor profiles. I was feeling pretty good about myself until he broke out some outdoor headband he grew last year. HOLY SHIT! Some of the best herb I have ever seen, indoors or out. When I smoked it, I was soaring. So tasty!
Practice makes perfect, and apparently I need a lot of practice. Nothing like a humbling experience to motivate you to work harder. I don't know how I will face this guy today, I am really really humbled from this experience.
P.S. I have lived and been smoking/growing in NorCal for 15+ years. I have smoke tons of top shelve buds, so I do have a good base for comparison.
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