Trudeau says he smoked pot as an MP

[RubeGoldberg]

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/08/22/trudeau-says-he-smoked-pot-as-an-mp


I for one think this guy is a fucking goof. (I'm not a conservative either)


But honestly... Mentioning you've smoked weed for attention is the type of shit 15 yearolds do.

 

[blastfrompast]

BAD RANT:
OK here is my problem with the dude....If he smoked pot last year lets say and that shit hits the newspapers....he is branded a LIAR.

He said like 3 yrs ago....I sure hope he ain't bullshitting.

I wish he had just left it OPEN ENDED....

He is just a MEDIA WHORE....HE VOTED IN FAVOR OF MANDATORY MINIMUMS FOR GROWERS

I wish his dad was here to smack him upside the head....

 

[Marco61]

Political hypocrites. I f-ing despise them. We get the same thing here in the USA. Politicians who put on an anti-drug persona for political support, but behind the scenes their banging hookers and snorting coke. The funniest ones are the anti-gay republicans who then get found sucking some guy off in an airport bathroom.

 

[blastfrompast]

GOOD RANT:

Perhaps he can pull an OBAMA, get the lazy young people out voting, the casual users....Bring f-ing GUPTA to Canada to do a speech...try and sway the older conservatives who swallowed the whole "drugs are bad...mmnnKAY" liine


Make it Hollywierd for all I care.

Important to note that he can be manipulated to pander to the MASSES...That is a good point..

I would love to see some 420 Flash mobs, have him appear....

Sadly our youth will respond better to a rockstar than a guy with a decent head on his shoulders....
So be a rockstar....
But Please grow some Cajones like your dad had...

 

[Bmac1]

Im not sure how to feel about this just yet.

On the one hand, I love the fact that someone of his stature is being so openly for it.

On the other hand, I realize that these corporation puppets aka politicians, will say whatever they think will land them the winning votes. Its when they get in office when the real agenda becomes clear.

I guess the proof will be in the pudding.

 

[fatigues]

BAD RANT:
OK here is my problem with the dude....

He is just a MEDIA WHORE....HE VOTED IN FAVOR OF MANDATORY MINIMUMS FOR GROWERS

Please think about this and recognize that there are activists out there who are trying to manipulate you, okay? You need to think about this critically.

Question: Did Trudeau along with the rest of the Liberal party in the House of Commons vote in favor of Bill C-15 in 2009?

Answer: Yes they did.

Question: Why the hell did they do that when they all spoke against it?

Because it was a Government Sponsored Bill that the Conservative Government, then a minority government, proclaimed that it would treat any defeat of the bill as a vote of non-confidence which would immediately lead to a dissolution of Parliament and an election. An election that the Liberals did not want to fight -- AND COULD NOT WIN on C-15.

63% of Canadians were in favor of it. The Liberals did not have a choice if they wanted to avoid an election on a topic that the majority of Canadians supported, rightly or wrongly (mostly, wrongly).

The Tories sold this as a "tough on crime" Bill and the majority of Canadians fell for it. Blame the Sun chain of newspapers -- not the Liberals -- for that.

Question: So the bastards voted for it anyway? And that's how Bill C-15 passed?

Answer: No. Bill C-15 never passed into law. Like Bill C-26 that the Conservatives tried to pass in the previous Parliament, the Liberals and the NDP never let it pass.

With C-15, the Liberals (under Michael Ignatieff) and the NDP (under Jack Layton) had an agreement that they would not bring down the Tory minority government on Bill C-15, and they would instead prevent it from being passed in the Senate. That was the deal.

And that is exactly what they did. Bill C-15 was never passed into law because of the Liberals in the Senate. They amended it repeatedly and stalled it and Bill C-15 died when Parliament was prorogued. All of that was according to plan and they stopped it, just like they did with C-26 before it. It never became law while the Liberals could prevent it.

Question: That can't be! I thought we had a new bunch of mandatory minimums in Canada!

Answer: We do. Those mandatory minimums were passed by the Harper government as part of Bill C-10 in 2012 after Harper obtained his majority government. By that time, he also had appointed several new Conservative Senators in the Senate (you know, Pamela Wallin and Mike Duffy et al) and so the Liberals could not hold up the bill in the Senate either. And it was C-10 that became law. Not C-26, not C-15, but C-10.

Question: Well, did Justin Trudeau vote against C-10?

Answer: Yes he did. Don't believe me? The voting record on the Bill is right here. It was an omnibus bill the Conservative majority rammed through the House over the objection of the minority. They then did the exact same thing in the Senate.

Question: Bullshit! I read it on the internet on a marijuana activist site. It must be true!

Answer: You need to appreciate that most hardcore activists have a longtime association with the NDP and, to a lesser extent, the Green Party. Trudeau's policy on legalization has the potential to WIPE OUT the NDP in British Columbia and they are freaking out about that. They need to prevent as many votes from defecting from the Green Party and the NDP to the Liberals as they can. If they don't, the NDP are going to become, once more, an also-ran third party.

This one is for all the marbles.

The political operatives in the NDP don't care that Trudeau will legalize and they don't much care about you, either -- they care about their own power. And their plan is to do the only thing they can -- suggest that Trudeau won't do it and pass it all off as a promise he'll never keep -- even though the evidence overwhelmingly points to the contrary.

If anybody has been watching Trudeau over the past month, you will see that he has DOUBLED-DOWN on cannabis legalization every time he has had the opportunity to do so. He said it in Kelowna on July 23, he said it to the Globe & Mail on July 25, He added the petition to legalization to the Liberal website on August 9, and this past week, he said it again to HuffPo Canada, the CBC, Radio-Canada, Global, CTV and every major news reporting agency in the country.

I don't what else this guy can do to tell you that he's serious about it. He says what he means and means what he says.

Stop being manipulated by those in the NDP who have no answer to Trudeau's policy to legalize other than to suggest he does not mean it. The NDP are the ones being insincere -- not Trudeau.

Look at the evidence and think, damn it.

 

[ChilcotinBuddha]

+100 fatigues
you def have your tinfoil hat on correctly, great post.

was this hype on the 'news' or something?

who cares if this ass jack son of the omnipotent P.E.T.
and wants to play politics.

(really people, might as well keep slick Willy Clinton on his pedestal as well, they are ALL pieces or pawns in the game.)

A sound bit here, a sound bite there and the slack jawed zombies will get the message..
...puppets, muppets and little miss Tuffet, it's all bullshit


End of story

 

[fatigues]

+100 fatigues
you def have your tinfoil hat on correctly, great post.

was this hype on the 'news' or something?

who cares if this ass jack son of the omnipotent P.E.T.
and wants to play politics.

Was it on the news? Dude -- there was NOTHING ELSE on the news!

And I care a great motherfucking deal about this. We have never, EVER, been this close to legalization in the history of Western democracy over the past eighty years.

Justin Trudeau will legalize if he wins the next election. He will do it because he NEEDS to do it in order to win a majority in Parliament by winning in BC, and by using this issue as a wedge in Quebec to draw off voters from the NDP (which, according to today's poll in Quebec - is working brilliantly and according to plan).

The polls in Quebec since the July 23rd announcement for legalization, taxation and regulation of cannabis reflect: the NDP is DOWN five points and the Conservatives are UP six, while the Liberals are down an insignificant single point and the Bloc Québécois is up by two.

And the Liberal support is up all over the province, too, including in Quebec City; the Tories are also up, but mainly in the cities.

What does this mean? It means that there are a bunch of older Liberal voters who are pissed off about legalization and they switched their vote to the Tories. Meanwhile, a bunch of younger and middle-aged voters switched from the NDP to the Liberals, leaving the Liberals DEAD EVEN with what they were last time, statistically speaking, as they are in the margin of error.

And this was in Quebec, the province which, after Alberta, is the most lukewarm on legalization in the country. The numbers in B.C. if they follow this trend are going to wipe out the NDP in that province and transfer 12 seats to the Liberals.

In Quebec, the difference is that in a first-past-the-post system, the Tories can't translate those increased votes to seats. Meanwhile, the NDP who CAN beat the Liberals in the province, just lost a whack of votes, which WILL lead to more Liberal seats.

The swing in seat count in favor of the Liberals is HIGH. Enough to put the Liberals into a majority assuming that the rest of this unspools according to plan in Ontario and B.C.

So, yes, it matters a great motherfucking deal to me. This isn't some ballot proposition like we have seen in the USA. The Liberals win the next election in Canada and cannabis is going to be legalized by the only government that controls criminal law in the country. Not some half-hearted legal in the state, but illegal federally bullshit. Legal. LEGAL. FOR REAL. Coast, to coast, to coast.

And right now, the poll numbers say that they will win. I'm stoked!

 

[captianchronic]

I think its funny how the people who profit from prohibition (Growers, Dealers PC's Law) are the people that bash Justin Trudeau.

Trudeau virtually had vote vote for mandatory minimums because in 2009 then liberal leader Ignatieff didn't want to seem soft on crime. Many liberal MP's were against the bill and were angry that they had to support it.

However now Justin is the leader of the liberals and for the first time (that i know of) a major Canadian political party has formally added positive marijuana law reform to its platform and its leader has been so bold as to admit the use of marijuana while a member of parliament.

So goof?.. no,
goofs take advantage of kids... Kinda like the people that sell sell their pot to dumb naive underage teens that end up getting caught and thrown in jail and their lives ruined... Those are goofs.

 

[captianchronic]

Ref to above post.

 

[CareFreeLivin]

Fatigues, god damn, dropping knowledge. Illustrating why you are the best poster on these forums. Your thoughtful analysis and comprehensive knowledge is always appreciated!

The tone of this thread is so surprising to me considering we are talking about precedent setting stuff here! Not only has the Liberal Party of Canada stated empathically that they support legalization of cannabis, they have gone so far to offer up sensible framework for legalization.

Fatigues linked this in the other thread: https://bc.liberal.ca/files/2013/01/DRAFT-Marijuana-Policy-Paper-Jan-13.pdf

Such a good read!

 

[ChilcotinBuddha]

blah, blah, blah, verbal hand job, why thank you, reach around, verbal hand job, circle jerk....more gobbledygook and
repeat..


too funny, as if what ever flavour of politician that gets 'elected'..(now is that the lemmings casting their 'votes' or the corporations that we all know buy their politicians to carry out their agenda..or is that some goofy conspiracy dealio??)
..is going to do a damn thing that does not benefit the corporate interests that run this and most countries.

I find it more then amusing that people actually think that some group of people will sway what has already been decided.
Do you really grasp and understand how it all works.


Sure go read the newspaper, watch the 'news', hear what pundits think, go ahead and do the research and apply ZERO fucking critical thought to the big picture (if your able to wrap your head around that concept)


Who cares, We choose to live by the laws of nature and apply the golden rule (ya know the one they used to teach in schools..'do unto others as you would have them do unto you, pretty simple eh?), if that is too difficult then obviously your trying too hard.

All of this moaning and complaining and wasted thought, time and energy is pathetic and exactly what they want, keep the sheep distracted or bemused and cause them to bicker amongst themselves.

Classic, right from the pages of the Protocols of....


but that's another story,

enjoy your fight cannabis warriors, playing THEIR game is going to get you nowhere

rant mode disengaged


I'll remove myself from further discussion on this thread and leave any Hegelian Dialectic to whomever feels the need to carry on with it.

it's your life, live it!

love, laugh and learn

 

[InfoWarz]

yea I'm Super stoked about this whole situation....don't know why all the dealers and growers are up in arms they could just get business licences and do it legally and still make good cash I know I sure plan too when they legalize it

 

[shavluk]

Pretty bizarre to read from this point of view...wow

Ok so I wont fight what I know is BS but I will add

If you look at my page it has the actual fight to get the resolution through after I worked with bob rae the interm liberal leader to get it done

I should also point out a 9 month effort within the party ...I am on the executive ...where by I explained I used a spy camera to record justin trudeau and had him admitting his cannabis use and more then telling the party I would help them by releasing it as a Youtube video

Yes as the person who obtained and presented the legalization policy in not only the ndp but the greens I kinda laugh about some here ..agree with some and wish I could type with more than two fingers

I hope you overlook my just providing links

Heres the liberal one that you cant see officially any more

http://shavluk.com/?page_id=195


If you have facebook I have tons here

https://www.facebook.com/john.shavluk?fref=ts


I am sure I know some f you too listening here and understand your alias use

I cant be bothered having already done jail time even as an innocent man

I am way beyond that crap

Any questions please holler

ps fatigues you seem to grasp the dana larsen and mark emery lies about the ndp but you fail to point out their traitorous move may even have resulted in harpers majority as it came down to 6500 misc votes...why?

are you connected to them ?
dont answer if its a problem..just curious who I need to watch out for thats all

 

[VagPuncher]

Phaggot Emery yapping from jail? Say it ain't so.

 

[blastfrompast]

Honestly I truly hope he pulls an Obama..

Hype it up

Bread and Circuses for the unwashed masses is all it is....

I'm waiting for the shirtless photo's to appear of him surfing like Obama...

Why they just don't go straight to Hollywood I will never know...

It worked South of the Border, why not here...

Not saying I support a Fluff-man for Prime minister... More of I just want to see the fireworks LOL

Time for a hoot

Stay Safe.

 

[blastfrompast]

Now that I have enjoyed some fine WW mixed with a bit of sativa for some zip I'm much optimistic..

Go Pawn Go

 

[RubeGoldberg]

Phaggot Emery yapping from jail? Say it ain't so.

Its not easy for him to stay relevant in the professional goof business.

 

[Buds Bundy]

Of course the media leech had to throw his poison into it.

 

[Hastings101]

hmmmmm interesting read. I haven't been following much of this but for over the past decade I have been hardcore Conservative but I think it is time for a change...