Time to go vert!

[soursmoker]

I figure if I keep posting maybe eventually some one will reply or something...

Here are some pics...

Overview of the room...

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Pic of my mystery pheno... I think she has the perfect stretch for vert... might use her next round...

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left side of the cab...

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the back..

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that's about it... I am gonna start a new thread out of the vert forum for my scrog so I don't offend anyone in vert-ville! I will still be rocking the vert though! just need to maximize space and the veg cab and light I have is not very friendly to vert setups so scrog is my best choice! If anyone wants to make any suggestions I will be putting a link in my sig!

 

[budelight]

Garden looks full and healthy bud! Very nice donut you've got going on in the cab.

Looking at your pic gave me the idea that you could put the trellising across the front of your front space and use it to push/hold the front plants back from the light, vs the other 3 walls where you pull the plants back with twist ties/pipe cleaners. Maybe afix it to the side walls about 4-5 inches in on either side, then put your front row of plants on the outside of it. But it looks great reguardless and I think a scrog is a good idea for the other cab.

How many months left till you have to move?

And yeah, keep posting pics and someone will eventually chime in!
BeL

 

[soursmoker]

Looking at your pic gave me the idea that you could put the trellising across the front of your front space and use it to push/hold the front plants back from the light, vs the other 3 walls where you pull the plants back with twist ties/pipe cleaners. Maybe afix it to the side walls about 4-5 inches in on either side, then put your front row of plants on the outside of it. But it looks great reguardless and I think a scrog is a good idea for the other cab.

I like this ALOT! Great Idea!

How many months left till you have to move?

As for this question... about full 10 months but only 4-5 left of growing and then another 4-5 of no growing... lease ends on the last day of june 2014...

 

[420ish]

looking good!

 

[soursmoker]

thanks! Not the best vert garden around here but I have confidence that I will pull some decent numbers down before I have to shut down this cab...

I think flipping all the plants at the same time will make a big difference... as will the small veg around the vert bulb... even if it is just 4-5 days

Hoping the final round turns out nicely! Just have to find the sweet spots for these ECSD x SSSDH and make sure the smoke is worthy before commiting it towards a mono crop! I think it will be some nice smoke though!

 

[420ish]

i like at least a week veg in the flower room.when my new set up is operational they will have 4 weeks in their final home till flip.3 weed squares with 4 plants per cabinet.4 weeks veg 8 weeks flower.basically the same as my donut with vert screens but now i have room for 3 instead of only one.hopefully i can control enviro by having them all seperate in 4foot x4 foot x6 foot cabinets with individual filters and fans and running 1200 watts per cab.yours looks like it is working good.i found less plants makes for better yields in a donut.i can only do 12 due to plant counts

 

[frankenstein2]

Love the cab!!!! It looks almost like the one I built myself. Mine is just a little bit taller. Nice little set-up you have going on there. My testers from ojd are doing awesome. I have the ssh x sssdh. Out of the six I have two that i'm eying for keepers. keep up the good work!!!!

 

[soursmoker]

i like at least a week veg in the flower room.when my new set up is operational they will have 4 weeks in their final home till flip.3 weed squares with 4 plants per cabinet.4 weeks veg 8 weeks flower.basically the same as my donut with vert screens but now i have room for 3 instead of only one.hopefully i can control enviro by having them all seperate in 4foot x4 foot x6 foot cabinets with individual filters and fans and running 1200 watts per cab.yours looks like it is working good.i found less plants makes for better yields in a donut.i can only do 12 due to plant counts

final round with be given some veg in the flower room... now everything is on perpetual which I realize is killing me but it would kill me even more to start over... anyway can you explain "3 weed sqaures with 4 plants per cabinet?"

next round will be less plants..

I am no pro but 1200 watts per 4x4x6 sounds like ALOT... you can pull it off with proper exhuast rates and a well controlled climate in the lung room... good luck bro... what size fans you plan on using?

would love to see some pics!

Love the cab!!!! It looks almost like the one I built myself. Mine is just a little bit taller. Nice little set-up you have going on there. My testers from ojd are doing awesome. I have the ssh x sssdh. Out of the six I have two that i'm eying for keepers. keep up the good work!!!!

thanks a lot bro.. wasn't very hard to do the rough assembly but I have been slacking forever on putting up the pond liner on the outside to prevent light leaks... it is now 99% complete I would say... got an airfilter on the intake... not much else left to do... just cover everything that isn't already reflectix... lol

yeah my ECSD x SSSDH seem like they are taking off nicely!

I have 2 of my #2 pheno and 1 of my #1 pheno in flower... unfortunately only 2 survived the torture test from me...

plenty of back up clones though.. i think my final crop at this location will be my ECSD x SSSDH monocropped... we will see... planning on 3-4 (qty) 5 gal smart pots in here...

Since I am running organic soil, the girls can only grow as big as I allow them since all their food comes from the dirt.. small containers= small plants... if I was running coco and a drip system or some hydro setup...it would be totally different

thank you dank.frank for finally pounding this concept into my thick ass skull!

Anyway here is a pic of how the cab looks this morning...

Plants at the bottom of the pic... near the "door" are all seeded for the most part and should be harvested in the coming days...

picked the lowest bud of the one plant to let dry and pull some seeds out to make sure they are mature...

they will most likely be coming down sometime this weekend... or early next week...

EDIT: I am a stoner and forgot the pic!

Here you go!

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[silver hawaiian]

2) Medium, inside you can run big ass beds of living soil (like you said "trying to replicate the ideal environment") or you can pump em full of chems and grow huge ass buds... but never will you have the potential you do outdoors... no one is going to buy that much soil to run indoors, NEVER.

Had this conversation with a guy at the store who told me "Organic indoor is never truly organic, you'll never replicate nature, blahblahblah."

While it's true that growing in 1-3-5-7-15-40-whatever gallon containers indoor isn't the same volume of dirt on the forest floor, let's say, it's entirely wrong and misleading to state that you can't similarly "replicate outdoors."

For starters, it's not as much about volume of medium as it is the compost-y goodness of the medium.

If you're pitching your dirt at the end of each run, yeah, you're probably a good ways away from replicating naturally-occurring fertile/healthy/living/active/hardy soil.

But if you're reusing your dirt, composting it back between runs (or even running no-till), now you're cookin' with gas.

Simply put, Dirt's not "dirt is dirt is dirt."

Sorry. Kind of a ramble-y post, but hopefully you're pickin' up what I'm puttin' down. The statement that "Growing in dirt outdoors is never like growing with dirt indoors," is far far far from the truth..

 

[soursmoker]

Had this conversation with a guy at the store who told me "Organic indoor is never truly organic, you'll never replicate nature, blahblahblah."

While it's true that growing in 1-3-5-7-15-40-whatever gallon containers indoor isn't the same volume of dirt on the forest floor, let's say, it's entirely wrong and misleading to state that you can't similarly "replicate outdoors."

For starters, it's not as much about volume of medium as it is the compost-y goodness of the medium.

If you're pitching your dirt at the end of each run, yeah, you're probably a good ways away from replicating naturally-occurring fertile/healthy/living/active/hardy soil.

But if you're reusing your dirt, composting it back between runs (or even running no-till), now you're cookin' with gas.

Simply put, Dirt's not "dirt is dirt is dirt."

Sorry. Kind of a ramble-y post, but hopefully you're pickin' up what I'm puttin' down. The statement that "Growing in dirt outdoors is never like growing with dirt indoors," is far far far from the truth..

nah I feel you man but there was to be some sort of minimum, correct? most of the pots you see are smaller than 1 gal... which leads to there not being enough space for proper diversity of nutrients... and my soil has proper compost inputs.. for sure.. and i do recycle and I plan on starting no-till very soon...

thanks for stopping by I was actually thinking today... damn I need someone who did organic soil, vertically, before to help me out... and you came! thanks man...

 

[silver hawaiian]

nah I feel you man but there was to be some sort of minimum, correct? most of the pots you see are smaller than 1 gal... which leads to there not being enough space for proper diversity of nutrients... and my soil has proper compost inputs.. for sure.. and i do recycle and I plan on starting no-till very soon...

thanks for stopping by I was actually thinking today... damn I need someone who did organic soil, vertically, before to help me out... and you came! thanks man...

To me, it's not important what the capacity of the container for the final resting place is...

Between runs/in the normal course of shuffling, all of my dirt sits in either a 45 gallon trash can or a 55 gallon tote. Once I get the container full of spent dirt, I'll dump it out on a tarp, re-amend as my gut tells me, mix it all back up, water it thoroughly, and let it cook.. Usually it sits on the tarp in the middle of the shed for a month or so, and then I toss it all back in the container-from-whence-it-came for more cooking.

By the time I get back to using it again, it's been another 2-3-4 months, during which it's been cooking with the remaining 45/55 gallons of dirt.

In other words, it's like an ongoing/constant/perpetual composting gimmick, rather than "dirt out of a bag on day one."

 

[soursmoker]

yeah I know my soil has slowly been recycled in totes for almost a year now I think... I also have a 20gal smart pot with old soil and random scraps in it with about a 1000 or so worms and that sound be all good and ready by the time I have to move so hopefully I will have some beautiful home made EWC when I start out in the new house... that's a while a way...

do you really think 1/2 gal pots are ok though? I really don't think so...

I was thinking after this run... 4, 5gal smart pots around the bulb... maybe not filled completely... somewhere around 2-3 gal of soil in there with room for topdressing... with the extra material folded over or something... or do you think a whole bunch of small pots like I have now would work better? Just flipped all at the same time?

No matter what I need to mono crop...

 

[silver hawaiian]

yeah I know my soil has slowly been recycled in totes for almost a year now I think... I also have a 20gal smart pot with old soil and random scraps in it with about a 1000 or so worms and that sound be all good and ready by the time I have to move so hopefully I will have some beautiful home made EWC when I start out in the new house... that's a while a way...

do you really think 1/2 gal pots are ok though? I really don't think so...

I was thinking after this run... 4, 5gal smart pots around the bulb... maybe not filled completely... somewhere around 2-3 gal of soil in there with room for topdressing... with the extra material folded over or something... or do you think a whole bunch of small pots like I have now would work better? Just flipped all at the same time?

No matter what I need to mono crop...

With that setup (150 W), you could get away with 3 gal containers, probably even 2 gallons. But, I'm not entirely sure that's even needed. Are you getting rootbound with the 1/2 gal containers?

I'll have to go back and look at how many plants you're rockin' now, but I'd say either surround the bulb with one-gal containers, or just put a three (or two) gal container in each of the corners..

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Ok here are some pics of my cab and how the door works...

It is a 2 stage door technically...

Outside of cab...

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What does everyone think? Seems effective to me... works a lot better then just the reflectix layer by itself...

MUCHO


Such a well done CAB Sour... Mad props man....

lol I see a PPK in there... Damn,minds eye o mine...

2 or 3 totes & 1 bucket~


Totes fit snug wall to wall and are all the same 6''-10'' high totes.

One tote on the floor of the cab (Lower tote)
One on top,wicked into the lower tote(Grow tote)
One outside next to the cab(Control/pulse tote)

Volume bucket sitting on top.
2 hoses into the cab.

Or option 2 for more flexibility.
Add and take plants in and out...

One tote in the cab with holes placed all around the lids for wick placement options and using wicked pots(Thinking,cut in half 1.5L Air pots with wicks) 1.5L Used for the wider footprint and cut for more grow space.


Anyways...

I dig how the door comes down and there are many ways to use that same space and get a shit load done each way one would want to go.

Thats Golden.. To me....

 

[budelight]

With that setup (150 W), you could get away with 3 gal containers, probably even 2 gallons. But, I'm not entirely sure that's even needed. Are you getting rootbound with the 1/2 gal containers?

I'll have to go back and look at how many plants you're rockin' now, but I'd say either surround the bulb with one-gal containers, or just put a three (or two) gal container in each of the corners..

If it helps you to compare. I start/early veg in solo cups and then late veg/flower in 1 gal pots around my 150w. Currently have 4 flowering... Last run only had 2.
BeL

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

No matter what I need to mono crop...

say it aint so !

mono cropping is a sane and reasonable approach to growing cannabis. it will simplify everything and make it so you have less to scratch your head and/or pull your hair out over

........ and i still wouldn't do it

i hate smoking the same strain for more than about 3 bowls

 

[Midgar06]

Love these micro vert grows. Good luck on your scrog endevor! Looks like you are gonna pull some tasty stuff.

 

[soursmoker]

With that setup (150 W), you could get away with 3 gal containers, probably even 2 gallons. But, I'm not entirely sure that's even needed. Are you getting rootbound with the 1/2 gal containers?

I'll have to go back and look at how many plants you're rockin' now, but I'd say either surround the bulb with one-gal containers, or just put a three (or two) gal container in each of the corners..

I have 1; 2 gal smarty... and then 4+ 5&7Gal Smartys... I like using the bigger size and leaving some space to fill... and folding down the extra... can always topdress more... and If I am going for no-till I would not be "recycling" them into my main bin of soil.. the soil would just stay in those containers for multiple flowering cycles until said soil looked like it needed to be re-ammended, correct? So I am thinking something like a 5 gal with lots of extra room for topdressing in each corner...

I might need to mix more soil up...

MUCHO


Such a well done CAB Sour... Mad props man....

lol I see a PPK in there... Damn,minds eye o mine...

2 or 3 totes & 1 bucket~


Totes fit snug wall to wall and are all the same 6''-10'' high totes.

One tote on the floor of the cab (Lower tote)
One on top,wicked into the lower tote(Grow tote)
One outside next to the cab(Control/pulse tote)

Volume bucket sitting on top.
2 hoses into the cab.

Or option 2 for more flexibility.
Add and take plants in and out...

One tote in the cab with holes placed all around the lids for wick placement options and using wicked pots(Thinking,cut in half 1.5L Air pots with wicks) 1.5L Used for the wider footprint and cut for more grow space.


Anyways...

I dig how the door comes down and there are many ways to use that same space and get a shit load done each way one would want to go.

Thats Golden.. To me....

Thanks bro! The cab is nice... my growing skills... ehh.. could get better... Thanks for laying out the PPK design for me but I am just not down with PH, PPM measuring and mixing up nutes and all that shit... lol sorry bro... I just can't...

Anyway I appreciate you taking the time to lay it out!

I would be honored if you built a cab inspired by me! lol

maybe after I move I will pick up some of your gear to run if it is tested and for sale! or If ya need something tested I will prob be able to give it a shot!

Peace!

If it helps you to compare. I start/early veg in solo cups and then late veg/flower in 1 gal pots around my 150w. Currently have 4 flowering... Last run only had 2.
BeL

thanks man.. I need to find something in between 1-3 gallons or else I am going to just have to go with the 5 gal smartys not filled all the way...

say it aint so !

mono cropping is a sane and reasonable approach to growing cannabis. it will simplify everything and make it so you have less to scratch your head and/or pull your hair out over

........ and i still wouldn't do it

i hate smoking the same strain for more than about 3 bowls

I feel you man! I got that all planned!

I usually make sure I let my shit get a good cure so I will have more then one jar from previous harvey!

AND... when the final flower cycle comes.. I will be flipping the veg into a flower cab as well and do a different strain.. monocropped over there... Muahahah... LOL

All about more smaller rooms monocropped... thanks DHF!

I still need help figuring out what strains to run though!

Love these micro vert grows. Good luck on your scrog endevor! Looks like you are gonna pull some tasty stuff.

thanks man... I sure hope something is tasty... got quite few different things in there.. need to figure out which one/s are getting monocropped! I can't wait any longer!!! I am almost all out of my homegrown! :/

DAMN you guys with all your smileys!

Silver and Alien, I had to delete one of each of yours to post! LOL

Let's hope this run turns out good because I am definitely considering going back to horizontal just to get a good final harvey in...

I think vert holds HUGE potential but honestly idk if my skills are able to unlock that potential yet.. I still have lots to learn about growing this plant... And for Organic Soil.. I think horizontal just makes more sense!

I think vert and hydro/coco go hand and hand...

Very few run Organic soil.. Vertically...

Bobble... you are running soil now... is that only in your horizontal beds or are you doing it vert as well? any suggestions?

 

[soursmoker]

Ok here is an update... first some pics of what was JUST thrown into flower...

2 BKGK Bx1 clones and

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1 CBxDB Bx1 clone... sharing a 5 gal smart pot...

And a whole room shot...

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mystery plant all the way on the right is impressing me... seems like perfect plant for vert... boy oh boy... too many choices...

 

[soursmoker]

Ok back for a little update...

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BKGK Bx1.. 28 days

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mystery plant... 7-8 weeks?

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