Plummeting Marijuana Prices for Growers

[EsterEssence]

If your not harvesting off a ladder you don't have $hit.

 

[justalilrowdy]

Hope you dont mind if i chime in...i just have to say imho most scenes in the triangle or even on the other side of the 5 seem to use non organic ferts and dont have a relationship with the land they are growing on. Im talking about mersh ops on private land. prob 50% could care less about what they put in as long as it allows them to take out, so to speak. And that includes their relationship tot he water too fwiw

that being said the trespass grows are the worst of em all....i cant support that shit on bit.

i do think brain is right though too when he says the media is biased...imo thats been the case forever..

Way more than 50% don't give a shit about the relationship between the land and growing. More like 90% I'd say. Just like commercial farming. Way less organic growers that care about a long term relationship with their land.

 

[Brain]

My gh plants are 15 feet tall, and I have never seen a relationship between smaller size and increased quality. I prefer big plants because the resin is a little bit bigger and I want to see their vitality and vigor potential for seed breeding and making.
Don't you think the central valley is where the bread basket will be? It is for most other crops in Calif.
-SamS

Perhaps the valley will be the bread basket though not ideal climate wise. the smog in the Central Valley I think will have a negative effect and we might just be splitting hairs but the temps as you gain elevation tend to stay a little warmer at night up to maybe 2500ft. If you can find flat land I think you'd have as close to an ideal spot as you could find in Cali. Perhaps there isn't enough flat land up there to compete with what the C Valley has to offer though.

I do late plantings and light deps with smaller plants as well as large full season trees and the look of the deps and late plantings is always superior. Yes the trichs are bigger on the trees and its an awesome feeling to feel small walking amongst them and may be better for breeding but if we're just taking about looks I can pass some strains for indoor flowered as small plants that I can't as big plants. Perhaps there are many other factors for this. Being in a greenhouse definitely helps narrow the gap. I only grow 1 sativa Dom hybrid and strain selection is another variable. My selections are heavenly factored on bag appeal. Sad but true. It's a competitive market.

 

[oldhaole]

I get a kick out of these "what if" threads.

Due to a quirk in geography, you Cali guys all believe that you are on the cutting edge of MJ production.

However....remove that quirk of geography...Thru legalization of domesticly grown marijuana....and the game will change dramaticly.

You've done what you can thru genetics, but the sad fact is you are in the wrong location to grow top quality weed. Production will head South...literally. And Hawaii is as far South as you can go....and still stay in the U.S.

Hawaii, with it's endless water, rich volcanic soil, and stronger more intense sun will soon take over the domestic market.

Now here's the kicker.

We are a land of microclimates. There is limited land that is perfect. Perfect rainfall, perfect climate, perfect soil. By my guess only 10% of each island fits the bill. That's where the gourmet top dollar smoke will come from. That land is in other hands, small private hands. Philipp Morris can buy in, but never control. Like coffee is now, upon legalizaton MJ will be tomorrow.

Flights leave daily.

 

[oldchuck]

oldhaole, you seem to be a little short on your Cannabis history. The magic plant has proved to be one of the most adaptable botanicals on earth. Hawaii is a rather recent home for Cannabis. She is just getting settled in there.

 

[oldhaole]

History is just that....history. Where you came from.

It's where your going that's important....not where you've been.

Pakalolo has been here since the '30's.

And if my rusty mind remembers correctly, I exported quite a bit to your neck of the woods back in the '70's. It commanded a far better price than your domestic.

 

[Chunkypigs]

Damn OH I gotta get back to Maui soon and see what you are smoking.
I check the paper every day to see if that Island Gubberment you have is going to put down it's copters and legalize but it never looks good. Hawaii is one of the worst mmj states that allows growing and none of the recent states that have turned are allowing home grows. I hope to see more states legalize recreational but it's not really legal, and I don't think 6 plants per person will be the US model. I think the model will be 0 plants at home so the cops will still get to use all that SWAT gear.

The cat is out of the bag now and rich people are going to control the market one way or another. 18 high priced growing licenses up for grabs in Illinois now. 35 in Mass with 181 applications turned in fighting for them. you need a million plus to sit at the table in these states and who knows how much it will take under the table to get one of these licenses.

I'm afraid you guys in the Islands will never see real legalization. A bunch of haole grandsons of pineapple barons will run any legal weed business using cheap hawaiian labor doing the heavy lifting. More work for haole pilots patrolling backyard grows.

Corporate control of legal cannabis is going to look more like this in America...

Than this

The good news for you OH is that some kind of continued black market is bound to stick around the way they are effing things up with taxes and regulation. keep making seed bro! work the gulch.

 

[circadian clock]

some people think short term life is only so long , long term projects are more successful regardless ie strain hoarding actually makes sence since plants are so cheap.i want a certain % if i give u my holy grail .

 

[theJointedOne]

Actually CA is going to be fine when herb is legal

 

[Yes4Prop215]

I sure hope so...theres alot of talk about the ASA and CannBe (financed by harborside) that are making major moves to try and monopolize "legal" production in california....their main weapon is restrictive land permitting, basically using municipal land codes to ban cultivation in certain areas. how they deal with the huge AG scene in the central and north parts of the state is still a mystery to me...in CO just the licensing and security costs to enter the legalized market cost upwards of 100K, with strict background checks and residency requirements. they are "thinning" the herd of eligible people...colorados total population is 5million and their markets estimated to be worth 1 billion a year...so CA with our almost 40 million people can arguably be worth 8-10 billion a year and that kind of $$ is definately going to bring out the suits to fight for it and try to keep as much for themselves..

they arent gonna just let every farmer with 100 acres convert their food crops to cannabis, that would fuck up the food market and flood the cannabis market...can you imagine if every nut, olive, strawberry, grape farmer decided to go green rush and ripped up their orchards to grow cannabis.. this will impact the supply and price of regular food crops...i definately see some kind of regulation written in the bill that will prevent this from happening. only certain properties will be eligible for "legal" growing.

shit even in prop19 they were trying to ban home cultivation over a certain amount...fuckin pisses me off the suits and those with millions in their pockets trying to hijack this industry.....CA looks like its gonna be a black market for a while supplying the non med states. prices will just crash lower and lower every year and many folks will get pushed out.


already county ordinances favor the deeper pockets....for example in butte county if you have 40 acres you can grow 99, but if you have less than .5 you cant even grow a plant in your backyard...shit like that. im not complaining too hard because im allowed 66 on my plot of land, but these damn ordinances seem to be changing every year and never know when we will go the way of lake or kern county and just outright ban on OD cultivation.

 

[minds_I]

....for example in butte county if you have 40 acres you can grow 99, but if you have less than .5 you cant even grow a plant in your backyard...shit like that......

Hello All,

Yes4 are sure?

http://www.buttecounty.net/da/215.htm

or am I confused...are speaking of commercial/co-op grows?

minds_I


PS...wouldn't it be kewl if the leo web page was hacked to put some buds on the scales of justice...buahahahaha

 

[BigSteve]

I just want some cheap reefer damnit!

 

[Yes4Prop215]

its in the new ordinance that was passed. properties 5-10 can do 24, 10-20 can do 48, 20-40 can do 66, and 40+ up to 99. it didnt say anything about one person or a co-op...i operate under a co-op so i dont know about the rules for just one person tending their own 40 acres. generally most people stack scripts to at least cover a portion of their garden..

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I disagree that we've done what we can with genetics, the truth is we have just scratched the surface, wait until we see designer Cannabis with terpene profiles bred to specific goals.
Hawaii may have an advantage with very late Sativas by growing outdoors, but trying to grow anything with Indica blood in Hawaii can be hard as hell unless you are on the dry side of the island.
I travel to Kauai quite a bit and to be honest I see as much indoor as outdoor and I see even more imported from BC or who knows where, try and find a great Sativa in Hawaii good luck. I know they are there but not much...
As for who will control a multi-Billion dollar legal Cannabis industry one thing is for sure it ain't me or anyone we know, it will be suits, and banks and lawyers, just like all other big biz.
But I am still for it.
Coffee is not controlled by big biz?
-SamS

I get a kick out of these "what if" threads.

Due to a quirk in geography, you Cali guys all believe that you are on the cutting edge of MJ production.

However....remove that quirk of geography...Thru legalization of domesticly grown marijuana....and the game will change dramaticly.

You've done what you can thru genetics, but the sad fact is you are in the wrong location to grow top quality weed. Production will head South...literally. And Hawaii is as far South as you can go....and still stay in the U.S.

Hawaii, with it's endless water, rich volcanic soil, and stronger more intense sun will soon take over the domestic market.

Now here's the kicker.

We are a land of microclimates. There is limited land that is perfect. Perfect rainfall, perfect climate, perfect soil. By my guess only 10% of each island fits the bill. That's where the gourmet top dollar smoke will come from. That land is in other hands, small private hands. Philipp Morris can buy in, but never control. Like coffee is now, upon legalizaton MJ will be tomorrow.

Flights leave daily.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

rumor has it that Monsanto is spending millions of dollars researching a special way that they can breed new crops of cannabis that will be resistant to fungal and insect infections. They will also be able to alter the color profile of the cannabis to be a specific color they want. Of course this stuff will be trademarked heavily...

Kind of scary what the big suits have in store for our way of life...

i wouldnt say i support them taking over our industry, but if it happens i will get in line like the rest of them and give my shot at a running a small microbrewery style cannabis brand, and if that fails or is outright banned by regulations than i will try and find work within the industry.

RiverRock is a giant player who have made big moves in colorado and the guys growing for them make really good wages and get to work in some of the nicest grow facilities ive seen...so it wont be too bad. gotta pad that resume now though...

 

[stoney917]

If anyone has the $$$ to get rid off pm and mites forever its them I just keep on spraying for now... Hopefully we got a few good yrs left

 

[Johnny Redthumb]

only b-grade producers worry about falling prices. if you truly have a++ wholesale product, people will always pay for it, just gotta find the right buyers

 

[GreenintheThumb]

rumor has it that Monsanto is spending millions of dollars researching a special way that they can breed new crops of cannabis that will be resistant to fungal and insect infections. They will also be able to alter the color profile of the cannabis to be a specific color they want. Of course this stuff will be trademarked heavily...

The thing about rumors is they're mostly bullshit...

You don't trademark varieties, you patent them.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

only b-grade producers worry about falling prices. if you truly have a++ wholesale product, people will always pay for it, just gotta find the right buyers

Everyone will be worried about falling prices soon enough. This is just a foolish way to look at the issue. Production of cannabis is skyrocketing but demand isn't following the same trends.

 

[Brain]

As availability increases, and corespondingly prices decrease, consumption increases.