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Obama does not favor changing pot laws … 'at this point'

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Obama does not favor changing pot laws … 'at this point'
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What are you smoking?

President Barack Obama doesn’t think cracking down on individual pot smokers is a good use of federal dollars, but he also doesn’t think it’s time to loosen the country’s marijuana laws … at least ”at this point.”
That’s the message from White House spokesman Josh Earnest, who told reporters at the daily press briefing that Obama’s views have been “clear and consistent for some time now.”
“The priority in terms of the dedication of law-enforcement resources should be targeted towards drug kingpins, drug traffickers and others who perpetrate violence in the conduct of the drug trade,” and not individual users, Earnest said. But “the president does not, at this point, advocate a change in the law.”
Currently, the federal government lists marijuana — or, as this helpful Drug Enforcement Agency handout suggests, “Aunt Mary, BC Bud, Blunts, Boom, Chronic, Dope, Gangster, Ganja, Grass, Hash, Herb, Hydro, Indo, Joint, Kif, Mary Jane, Mota, Pot, Reefer, Sinsemila, Skunk, Smoke, Weed, and Yerba” — as a “Schedule 1” drug, alongside heroin, LSD, ecstasy, methaqualone and peyote.

Those are “drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule I drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical dependence,” the DEA says.

The DEA also says marijuana has “no currently accepted medical use in the United States.” That puts "The Man" at odds with quite a few states and Washington, D.C. — the “laboratories of democracy.”
“There are 20 states that have med marijuana laws, there are 16 states that have decriminalized possession and then two states — Colorado and Washington — have legalized it,” Allen St. Pierre, the executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), said.
“The president has clearly evolved regarding a couple of different subject matters over the course of his presidency,” St. Pierre told Yahoo News by telephone. That was an obvious reference to Obama's embrace of gay marriage.
“We suspect that this former marijuana aficionado will, too, evolve on this subject matter as the American public has. That’s what politicians do,” he added.
States that have taken steps to permit marijuana use and possession are “clearly putting upward political pressure on the federal government to end cannabis prohibition,” St. Pierre said.
http://news.yahoo.com/-obama-does-not-favor-changing-pot-laws…”at-this-point”-184905783.html
 

FirstTracks

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This is like when someone says, "I don't want to date you......right now."


clear and consistent as the weather in the rockies
 

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I had no idea that peyote was listed as Schedule 1. What happened to it being legal for Native American Church use?
 
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Something to consider with Obama is the fact that his administration has allowed marijuana laws to expand greatly. At first glance most of your responses are going to be, "He has had more raids on dispensaries than Bush did." I will agree.

However you have to get over the emotions, and look at what his administration has said. "If dispensaries are clearly following State law we will not intervene."

California, Washington, Oregon, Michigan, none of them have "clear laws."

Now Colorado has a clear law, but what you have seen in the past is that the Federal Government has messed with the Dispensaries that were less than 1000 foot from a school, or involved in back door sales.

His administration is helping write the new laws that will Govern our industry for decades without actually saying they are. Obviously the 1000 foot rule is important. Thus they have enforced it even in Colorado. Obviously back door sales are important to them.

Now don't get me wrong, I think Obama is a hypocritical piece of shit, but when you uncloud your judgement from the emotions you will see that he has pushed harder than anyone for the States to setup clear concise laws for marijuana sales.

He has obviously done it in an unorthodox way, but is it really? It is actually sneaky as fuck. He can look hard on "drug dealers" while really pushing for strict regulations on marijuana.

It actually is brilliant as fuck. For this reason I know it is not his idea.:)
 

floralheart

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Obama doesn't think or do anything without permission.

If you believe we have a legit president, I have a $5,000 pack of beans to sell you.
 

Marco61

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Changing the laws is bad for business. Obama knows that protecting the customers, but keeping prohibition in place is the best for business. This way customers feel more comfortable buying and using pot, but the price doesn't go down. I'd say Obama has an interest in keeping the inflated prices in place and really doesn't give one fuck about individual users.
 

yortbogey

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Obama does not favor changing pot laws … 'at this point'

thats because.... pot laws " at this point" don't favor changing Obama......

:ying:
 

Jhhnn

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Gawd. Stop with the negativity. Given Holder's talk with the Governors of Washington & Colorado, The Admin is mostly letting the wind blow, finding out if the people really want legalization. They're not putting out any propaganda, either. If those states can succeed in doing what they say, and if more states go for MMJ, we should be able to turn the tide completely over the next few years.

Why? Because nothing bad will happen, just like nothing bad happens in MMJ states.

I expect the DoJ to pull back the reins on the DEA in MMJ states, too, and on any US attorneys who feel otherwise. They know which way the wind blows, and have just been trying to get in their licks before they get their wings clipped.

Once the tax money starts coming in, The DEA would make themselves very, very unpopular with affected State govts if they cut that off, and they need local help to be effective wrt other enforcement efforts. You can bet that Colorado & Washington govts will be very cooperative wrt outlaw state export grows & other aspects of drug enforcement because they want to protect that tax revenue.

Even if we get a change of horses after the 2016 election, the whole thing will be so far gone at that point that turning back will be basically impossible. Obviously, it'll still suck to live in some very conservative states, but, well, they suck anyway, so what's the difference?
 
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OrganicOzarks

Read my post from before the news form the DOJ.

Seems I like it has proven true. :)
 
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fatigues

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It's simple numbers folks and it is demographically based. I went through the numbers in some detail in the link in my sig that explains why legalization is certain within ten years time. I said it a few years ago -- and the demographic train which continues to rumble and push the numbers in favor of legalization up show those projections were right, too.

When Obama says "at this point" what he means is that the broad based support for legalization of cannabis is not yet a clear majority opinion among likely voters in the United States. He happens to be right. This isn't his political fight. It might not even be the fight which his successor will be engaged in either and it may instead be THAT President's successor. But it's one or the other, it won't go further than that. The demographic train will fully arrive in 2022-2024. By that time, the numbers in favor of legalization will be north of 60% and coming in on 65%.

So for now? Obama happens to be correct. The majority numbers of the population of Americans across the board are starting to appear at 52-54% in favor of legalization, but those numbers in support dip below 50% again when the respondents are corrected for the "likely voter" metric based upon age.

Even so, those stats are changing every day and the number in favor only goes up -- it does not go down. There is no reason to expect that they will ever go down absent some huge external shock to popular cultural attitudes which can change that trend. While it is possible such an "external shock" might occur in the next decade -- the only time that such an event ever occurred was the Cocaine Cowboy era of the early to mid-80s. There is no reason to believe that we should expect something similar in the next decade.

The historical arc on this is long but it bends inevitably towards legalization and voters on both the Dems and Republicans say as much when polled on the topic. Everybody knows it's only a matter of time.

There are a number of events that will come up over the next four to eight years which will underscore the trend that include:

  • implementation of recreational cannabis in Washington and Colorado;
  • more states legalizing medical cannabis
  • more states legalizing recreational cannabis
  • Canada legalizing cannabis for all purposes

All of these events are visible and distinct upon the horizon in the short to medium term.

At the same time, seniors get older and die. They are being replaced by new aging boomers who are not opposed to legalization even REMOTELY to the same degree as the older two-thirds of the current group of seniors are. It is impossible to stop that demographic event from occurring. Everybody dies, 100% of the time, 20 times out of 20. No exceptions. Ever.

The tipping point is arguably upon us already. But I would remind everyone here that Prop 19's results demonstrates that the likely voter profile is still important when there is a significant generation gap on legalization as currently exists. That generation gap can eat up a 5 to 7 point advantage at the polls when the likely voter metric is applied and seniors still rule at the polls.

But senior "grey power" cannot overcome a broad-based 8%+ point lead in the polls. At that point, America gets to remember it's a democracy.

Chillax. It's all unfolding as expected.
 
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Crusader Rabbit

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If you expect Obama to get out in front of this you have a long wait ahead of you. It's going to happen. Fatigues explains the demographics in the post above. Obama knows it's going to happen and he's not going to do anything to stop it from happening. But if you expect him to put his name on it you have a long wait.
 
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