Broad Mites?

[knubs]

i scoped my plants today and saw living broad mites run by... i also brewed some OGBIOWAR for 4 hours just to give it a test run.
why does the humidity have to be high? and does it only have to be high when you spray?

i raised my t-5's up and sprayed with the lights on and fans off. i sealed up the room and let it cook... i got the temps to 95 and got the humidity to 60% while the room was sealed up.
i know the PO mites die at and over 100 degrees. all my plants that are outside this year had some mites when they went out there and now none of them do. i live in the desert so it is always about 100 degrees +/-10 degrees.

 

[RetroGrow]

i scoped my plants today and saw living broad mites run by... i also brewed some OGBIOWAR for 4 hours just to give it a test run.
why does the humidity have to be high? and does it only have to be high when you spray?

i raised my t-5's up and sprayed with the lights on and fans off. i sealed up the room and let it cook... i got the temps to 95 and got the humidity to 60% while the room was sealed up.
i know the PO mites die at and over 100 degrees. all my plants that are outside this year had some mites when they went out there and now none of them do. i live in the desert so it is always about 100 degrees +/-10 degrees.

I'm going by what others have posted. Humidity needs to be 90%, I think.....I have never used it.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Humidity needs to be 60%. OGBIOWAR is not a poison. It is nothing but fungal spores mixed in talcum powder.

If it does not work then you did not apply it correctly.

Think of it this way. Mushrooms are fungus. You are trying to grow this on the leaf surface, and then these different fungus grow on the insects, and kill them.

If it kills broad mites then it will kill cyclamen mites.

Why did you dunk your clones in OGBIOWAR?

Foliar spray them when the humidity is 60% or higher.

Again it is not a poison.

 

[Some old dude]

OGB

OGB

I would suggest people use the OGB repeatedly second app at 5 days third app at 5 days forth app at seven days fifth app at ten days sixth app at 14 days and so on.Let your water sit out for 24 hrs or more before mixing to allow chlorine to dissipate (or I just use bottled spring water 89 cents a gallon) I can't prove this but I honestly believe OGB also works like a "Deer repellant" (but for bugs all types) bugs don't like it after repeated applications. I find zero bugs on my outdoor and indoor plants at this time .This is highly unusual.I am in no way a sponsor or pitch man for this product. I find a 40 $ bag of this stuff highly economical , (I still have about a quarter of a bag left) and I have no bug problems and my plants never looked healthier. Nuff said. I will be the first to say I also used Swirskii mites and heat treatments. But it's my belief the OGB definitely works take it as you like.I forgot to add. The fungus that kills the bugs (in a very unique way) takes about 3-4 days... and the infected bugs infect other bugs. It's not a instant contact killer. Over time this stuff just works imho.

 

[Ickis]

Time for an ethics priority check.

You are killing the bees by using ogbiowar outside. I am not going to save my pot plants at the expense of the bee population.

You are not supposed to use some of this stuff outside. Indoors or greenhouse only so it doesn't kill good insects like bees and butterflies.

If I had the rarest, most potent sought after strain of cannabis outside and it was the last one on earth, I am going to leave it die if I have to use something that will kill all the bees.

I am not trying to be a dick. Mother nature and the bees need our help. No bees means way less food for animals and humans.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Time for an ethics priority check.

You are killing the bees by using ogbiowar outside. I am not going to save my pot plants at the expense of the bee population.

You are not supposed to use some of this stuff outside. Indoors or greenhouse only so it doesn't kill good insects like bees and butterflies.

If I had the rarest, most potent sought after strain of cannabis outside and it was the last one on earth, I am going to leave it die if I have to use something that will kill all the bees.

I am not trying to be a dick. Mother nature and the bees need our help. No bees means way less food for animals and humans.

You sir are ill informed. OGBIOWAR does not kill bees.

I agree with you on the rest though.

 

[Some old dude]

yep

yep

You sir are ill informed. OGBIOWAR does not kill bees.

I agree with you on the rest though.

I find OGB to be a problem about mis-information or just completely wrong about this product so I give up. People can continue to use toxins and I will enjoy my new safe and effective piece of mind and freedom from the Bm problem.Such a relief, finally... Have fun people.

 

[zor]

Anyone have any success using the heat treatment for hydro plants? i'm wondering if the heat would be an issue for the root zone even though it would only be for a short time...

 

[Ickis]

saccharopolyspora spinosa is highly toxic when wet to bees. It is wet when you apply and wet whenever it rains.

Also......

http://home.comcast.net/~pholowko/OnLineShows/Soil/MicroBio/ControlingPests.html

That link and others state....

All of the methods come from nature and are very effective to a fault. All of these methods must only be used for outbreak of population of fungi, insects or weeds. All of the methods kill beneficials in some form or another. Warning: Never use any of these methods for preventive maintenance; only for outbreaks. If these methods are used for preventive maintenance, the flood of these strains will have the same negative effect on the environment as chemical pesticides, herbicides, larvacides and fungicides.

Never use ogbiowar for maintenance only outbreaks because of Bacillus thurengiensis kurstaki, bacillus thuringiensis israellenses, beavaria bassiane and beavaria brongniartil. Which are toxic to many types of birds and fish.

If you search around you will find that mosquito dunks are not to be used in water that has fish or aquatic insects. It is used in standing water situations. Flooded areas while drying, old tires, barrels and such. Not lakes, ponds and rivers or wetlands.

 

[Ickis]

I find OGB to be a problem about mis-information or just completely wrong about this product so I give up. People can continue to use toxins and I will enjoy my new safe and effective piece of mind and freedom from the Bm problem.Such a relief, finally... Have fun people.

I find the misinformation of ogbiowar supporters to be very concerning for the environment.

I posted a link. I gave you topics to research. You need to understand there is no magic bullet. Most everything has a negative side when not used properly.

Now people are going to apply ogbiowar all year long every year for the rest of their lives. It will be harmful to the environment. It is introduces species where they don't belong. Just like starlings, the boa and python in Florida, asian carp, snake fish. Kills bees and I bet some of the stuff in it is the white fungus killing bats in the northeast.

 

[bubbler720]

Humidity needs to be 60%. OGBIOWAR is not a poison. It is nothing but fungal spores mixed in talcum powder.

If it does not work then you did not apply it correctly.

Think of it this way. Mushrooms are fungus. You are trying to grow this on the leaf surface, and then these different fungus grow on the insects, and kill them.

If it kills broad mites then it will kill cyclamen mites.

Why did you dunk your clones in OGBIOWAR?

Foliar spray them when the humidity is 60% or higher.

Again it is not a poison.

OGbiowar that the cyclamen mites burped up and asked for more

1. just b/c it works on broads doesn't mean it will work on cyclamen. there a a number of products on the market that are listed for one and not the other (Bifenazate). saying it will work on cyclamen just b/c it worked on broads is inaccurate and misleading. why would you even say that? maybe you are a rep afterall

2. young seedlings were an ideal testing ground since they had not been treated by any pesticide

3. I dunked week old seedlings b/c I scoped cyclamen mite eggs (posted earlier) and I was hoping that OGbiowar would work given the high regard it has on this thread.

4. dunked b/c it offers more complete coverage than foliar spray

5. yes, humidity of 60% was maintained during the days/weeks after

6. after the 2nd ogbio treatment, and 3 weeks past since 1st treatment with only suffering new seedlings, I brought on the avid, and they perked back to life almost immediately.

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I'm not looking for a fight I've no time. OGbio didn't work on cyclamen. I have cyclamen risen from hell that are resisting (avid/sirocco/akari/pylon/forbid/magister).

This is a broad mite thread. The other threads that mention cyclamen are dead... User - Cabron - started a cyclamen thread, used the heavy pesticides and had success - but he didn't list which. Cabron or anyone else with REAL cyclamen success -- looking for your input.

 

[RetroGrow]

OGbiowar that the cyclamen mites burped up and asked for more

1. just b/c it works on broads doesn't mean it will work on cyclamen. there a a number of products on the market that are listed for one and not the other (floramite). saying it will work on cyclamen just b/c it worked on broads is inaccurate and misleading. why would you even say that? maybe you are a rep afterall

2. young seedlings were an ideal testing ground since they had not been treated by any pesticide

3. I dunked week old seedlings b/c I scoped cyclamen mite eggs (posted earlier) and I was hoping that OGbiowar would work given the high regard it has on this thread.

4. dunked b/c it offers more complete coverage than foliar spray

5. yes, humidity of 60% was maintained during the days/weeks after

6. after the 2nd ogbio treatment, and 3 weeks past since 1st treatment with only suffering new seedlings, I brought on the avid, and they perked back to life almost immediately.

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I'm not looking for a fight I've no time. OGbio didn't work on cyclamen. I have cyclamen risen from hell that are resisting (avid/sirocco/akari/pylon/forbid/magister).

This is a broad mite thread. The other threads that mention cyclamen are dead... User - Cabron - started a cyclamen thread, used the heavy pesticides and had success - but he didn't list which. Cabron or anyone else with REAL cyclamen success -- looking for your input.

I had cyclamen mites. They are essentially identical to Broad mites, and will respond to the same treatments that are effective against Broads. Floramite can put whatever they want on the label. That doesn't mean it works. If it kills Broads, it kills cyclamen mites. Google them and you will see same treatments. Some kill eggs, some don't.
There's probably something else going on here. Could be human error, could be a bad batch. But I tend to believe the people here who have had success, although there are a couple who haven't. Question is:why?
We need more people trying it to get more data. Once enough people have chimed in, we will have a clearer picture.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

saccharopolyspora spinosa is highly toxic when wet to bees. It is wet when you apply and wet whenever it rains.

Also......

http://home.comcast.net/~pholowko/OnLineShows/Soil/MicroBio/ControlingPests.html

That link and others state....

All of the methods come from nature and are very effective to a fault. All of these methods must only be used for outbreak of population of fungi, insects or weeds. All of the methods kill beneficials in some form or another. Warning: Never use any of these methods for preventive maintenance; only for outbreaks. If these methods are used for preventive maintenance, the flood of these strains will have the same negative effect on the environment as chemical pesticides, herbicides, larvacides and fungicides.

Never use ogbiowar for maintenance only outbreaks because of Bacillus thurengiensis kurstaki, bacillus thuringiensis israellenses, beavaria bassiane and beavaria brongniartil. Which are toxic to many types of birds and fish.

If you search around you will find that mosquito dunks are not to be used in water that has fish or aquatic insects. It is used in standing water situations. Flooded areas while drying, old tires, barrels and such. Not lakes, ponds and rivers or wetlands.

Lesser of two evils applies. No matter what you copy, and paste products like OGBIOWAR(there are others) are much safer than most other products on the market. Zero toxicity to humans, pets, animals. No residual contaminants going into ground water, and fucking it up for humans, or animals.

I would like to ask you though if you have a better product that is not toxic to anything at all except for the specific critters you are spraying for?

I bet ten's of thousands of people would change what they are using in a flash. However everything is toxic to something.

Neem oil as well.

Again lesser of two evils applies.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

OGbiowar that the cyclamen mites burped up and asked for more

1. just b/c it works on broads doesn't mean it will work on cyclamen. there a a number of products on the market that are listed for one and not the other (Bifenazate). saying it will work on cyclamen just b/c it worked on broads is inaccurate and misleading. why would you even say that? maybe you are a rep afterall

2. young seedlings were an ideal testing ground since they had not been treated by any pesticide

3. I dunked week old seedlings b/c I scoped cyclamen mite eggs (posted earlier) and I was hoping that OGbiowar would work given the high regard it has on this thread.

4. dunked b/c it offers more complete coverage than foliar spray

5. yes, humidity of 60% was maintained during the days/weeks after

6. after the 2nd ogbio treatment, and 3 weeks past since 1st treatment with only suffering new seedlings, I brought on the avid, and they perked back to life almost immediately.

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I'm not looking for a fight I've no time. OGbio didn't work on cyclamen. I have cyclamen risen from hell that are resisting (avid/sirocco/akari/pylon/forbid/magister).

This is a broad mite thread. The other threads that mention cyclamen are dead... User - Cabron - started a cyclamen thread, used the heavy pesticides and had success - but he didn't list which. Cabron or anyone else with REAL cyclamen success -- looking for your input.

Number 6 stands out to me. You waited 3 weeks for the second treatment. You are suppose to use the product weekly, and most of us are using it 3-4 days apart for a few weeks on end to make sure they are gone, and then switching to weekly applications.

If your statement is true then you did not apply the product correctly. I also don't believe dunking is going to help things out.

Everyone else is applying it like I have stated, and they are spraying it.

You have deviated from what others are doing, and it is not working.

You should apply it as it is suppose to be applied.

 

[bubbler720]

Number 6 stands out to me. You waited 3 weeks for the second treatment. You are suppose to use the product weekly, and most of us are using it 3-4 days apart for a few weeks on end to make sure they are gone, and then switching to weekly applications.

If your statement is true then you did not apply the product correctly. I also don't believe dunking is going to help things out.

Everyone else is applying it like I have stated, and they are spraying it.

You have deviated from what others are doing, and it is not working.

You should apply it as it is suppose to be applied.

To clarify:

1. I applied the product correctly, you haven't read my post correctly.
2. I applied the OGbio 7/21 and 7/27 and waited another week for improvement which didn't happen.
3. I don't care if it OGbio makes the sun shine and birds fuck if it doesn't kill cyclamen mites it ain't for me
4. Retro: most treatments for Tarsonemid mites is the same. However they're definitely not all the same. Googling is one thing; doing serious in-depth research is another and I've been doing the latter.
5. It's no use arguing. Shit, if OGbio worked for me than I'd be happy with it and encouraging ppl to use it also, especially b/c it isn't toxic. But look - if didn't kill cyclamen why are you arguing? You had broads and it worked for them. Good. Don't tell ppl it works on cyclamen and spew bullshit bro science pushing your product when it won't help them.
6. Retro: if you 'had' cyclamen where are the pics of your cyclamen eggs?

Leave the bro-science to bullshit somewhere else. Keep this thread clean and post facts from experience.

Moving forward, confirmed CYCLAMEN killers step up.

 

[bubbler720]

For my part, I'm in touch with UC Davis, my local extension entomology specialist, folks at southern AG, along with a number of other specialists. My latest theory is that the girls in veg grow so fast - in hydro, perfectly controlled sealed co2 environment, with multiple new shoots every light cycle that pesticide application every 3 days can't keep up. I'm working on an MOA rotation to try out.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Pissy much?

 

[EclipseFour20]

Bubbler,
In your search for facts, I found Ray Cloyd and his studies/articles/presentations to contain a wealth of information on these matters. Also, if you are "polite and professional", I found him to be quite accessible and willing to share his "pearls of wisdom"; he was a telephone call away for me.

Check him out, let's just say--he steered me in the right direction!

Cheers!

 

[Ickis]

Lesser of two evils applies. No matter what you copy, and paste products like OGBIOWAR(there are others) are much safer than most other products on the market. Zero toxicity to humans, pets, animals. No residual contaminants going into ground water, and fucking it up for humans, or animals.

I would like to ask you though if you have a better product that is not toxic to anything at all except for the specific critters you are spraying for?

I bet ten's of thousands of people would change what they are using in a flash. However everything is toxic to something.

Neem oil as well.

Again lesser of two evils applies.

I still stand by what I posted earlier. Don't use it outside and certainly don't use it all the time outside.

If I didn't paste something after you said I was wrong after I just posted, then you would have said links or it isn't true. You know like pictures or it didn't happen mentality.

I think the only theory that you will except is the ogbiowar is the perfect magic bullet. That has no potentially negative effects and you can just use it all the time as a preventative measure. I just don't agree with that. I didn't say it didn't work if used correctly and safely.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I still stand by what I posted earlier. Don't use it outside and certainly don't use it all the time outside.

If I didn't paste something after you said I was wrong after I just posted, then you would have said links or it isn't true. You know like pictures or it didn't happen mentality.

I think the only theory that you will except is the ogbiowar is the perfect magic bullet. That has no potentially negative effects and you can just use it all the time as a preventative measure. I just don't agree with that. I didn't say it didn't work if used correctly and safely.

There is no such thing as a magic bullet. I don't get into copy and pasting so I would have never asked for anything. Copy, and pasting is for people without actual experience.(that was not directed toward you, that is how I have always felt.) I did ask you for an alternative, and am still waiting for your answer though.

I believe all of us would love to hear of a better alternative. I would switch in a heart be, and praise it on forums.

I will now begin to hold my breath.